Are there any good reasons why the United States should not be broken down into a number of smaller countries?

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More defined political identity for regions that become sovereign nations. No more superpower status seems like it would only result in positive things: an end to neo-imperialistic possibilities and, as a consequence, an end to massive anti-American sentiment around the world.

I don't really see what the economic disadvantages of this would be.

(Sorry if this thread has been done before.)

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 03:14 (twenty years ago)

according to the constitution the states ARE sovereign :(

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 03:17 (twenty years ago)

Well, say goodbye to the minimum wage. And national safety rules. And stuff.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 03:57 (twenty years ago)

Although I have to admit, "Midwestern Idol" would rule.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 03:58 (twenty years ago)

CSA to thread

― jhanny rheb, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:00 (twenty years ago)

Ask Canada.

― nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:02 (twenty years ago)

>>Well, say goodbye to the minimum wage. And national safety rules. And stuff.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:07 (twenty years ago)

Try that again:

"Well, say goodbye to the minimum wage. And national safety rules. And stuff."

If red state area nation(s) wanted to adopt lesser standards in these areas then seemingly it would be in these nation's voters' interests to elect people who would do better.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:08 (twenty years ago)

Seemingly.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:15 (twenty years ago)

I've been pondering this question for a few weeks. In short, my conclusion = no. Granted, Oklahoma's pretty f-ed.

― remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:16 (twenty years ago)

OK, say you're right. Say there are only upsides.

Under what conditions could such a thing ever occur?

Would it still be worth it?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:20 (twenty years ago)

all we need to do is get rid of florida.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:23 (twenty years ago)

I mean, I know there are tons of comic books that have this scenario in them, but I can only ever remember, well, one of them, and it didn't go into how it came about, it just sort of told you that now the US was composed of "Northwestern Territory" and "Coastal Axis" and whatever the fuck else. I mean, I assume there would have to be some kind of massive civil war and maybe a nuclear apocalypse or two thrown in there.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:26 (twenty years ago)

(But it might be worth it for "Coastal Axis Idol")

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:26 (twenty years ago)

Nine Nations

― nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:30 (twenty years ago)

http://web.knoxnews.com/silence/archives/jesusland.jpg

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:31 (twenty years ago)

No more superpower status seems like it would only result in positive things: an end to neo-imperialistic possibilities and, as a consequence, an end to massive anti-American sentiment around the world.

Except that power of other nations goes less checked, and China likely rise to become the new sole superpower.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:40 (twenty years ago)

Jesus, why can't I type English today?

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:41 (twenty years ago)

i've been preaching about splitting up the USA for years now. get loads of nasty responses from both republicans and democrats. could be cuz i'm an idiot who doesn't exactly know how it would all work out but i can tell you this, the southeast is extremely different to the northwest and i don't mean that in a good way. we should take everthing from San Fran north to Bellingham, excluding the lameass Mormon fuxx and Idaho and form our own pot-smoking, hybrid driving utopia. i'll make flyers.

― haytorTot, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:58 (twenty years ago)

"Except that power of other nations goes less checked"

Better for this to be the U.N.'s job, NATO's job, etc., than George W. Bush's job.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 05:15 (twenty years ago)

http://www.umich.edu/~uac/threeweeks/volume6.4/old-hippies.jpg http://www.arrowheadtradingpost.com/images/confederate_flag.jpg

No thanks.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 05:18 (twenty years ago)

Would the southeast really *go Confederate*?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 05:20 (twenty years ago)

I'm just saying, seems like this country once fought a war over this.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 05:39 (twenty years ago)

The possibility of war between the newly divided regions seems like a pretty good reason not to do this.

― Stan M, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 07:27 (twenty years ago)

Because all the new, little countries would have to print new money with pictures of cornhusks and Mt. Rushmore and such like on them and no one would remember Andrew Jackson anymore, and vending machines would all stop working with the coins in your pocket each time you crossed a border, and your new job would be smuggling cigarettes from the Mid-Atlantic Confederacy into New New York? Is that reason enough for you?

― Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 07:40 (twenty years ago)

It could be like Europe.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 08:22 (twenty years ago)

I want to secede now. I want my house to be its own country.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:55 (twenty years ago)

we could establish our own aryan nation in idaho and montana, tim!

hrm, wait a minute.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:58 (twenty years ago)

(cue Ken Burns soundtrack "Ashoken Farewell")

― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

This like the best conceit ever! Are there actually any good books/comix/movies/etc about this? I guess the man in the high castle is somewhat similar...

― stewart downes (sdownes), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/598/598451/the-essential-frank-miller-20050323065251963-000.jpg

http://images.darkhorse.com/covers/med/m/mwgwtpb.jpg

sorta

― kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)

In 1977, Martha's Vineyard tried to secede from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (it also tried to secede from the United States and become an independent nation) along with the island of Nantucket.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession

I don't think Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket could share a country for long, though. There'd be a civil war. And it would be ugly.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:12 (twenty years ago)

Didn't Martha's Vineyard even try to join up with Hawaii?

Then there were those western counties of Kansas who tried to secede because they felt isolated from Topeka, due in part to the Mountain Time Zone (???)

A balkanized USA would not be Europe. It would just be a bigger hassle to drive anywhere outside of 500 miles.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Alaska
Quebec
Ontario
BC
Texas
Alberta
Saskatchewan
Ukraine
France
Spain
Sweden
California
Newfoundland and Labrador
Norway
Montana
Germany
Finland
New Mexico
Poland
Italy
Arizona
Nevada
Colorado
Oregon
Wyoming
Michigan
United Kingdom
Romania
Minnesota
Utah
Idaho
Kansas
Belarus
Nebraska
South Dakota
Washington
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Missouri
Florida
Wisconsin
Georgia (US)
Illinois
Iowa
New York
North Carolina
Arkansas
Alabama
Louisiana
Greece
England
Mississippi
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Bulgaria
Virginia
Tennessee
Kentucky
Iceland
Indiana
Hungary
Portugal
Maine
Serbia
Austria
South Carolina
Czech Republic
New Brunswick
Scotland
New England
Ireland
Hopi-Navajo Joint Use Area
Georgia (Eur)
Lithuania
Latvia
West Virginia
Navajo Reservation
Croatia
Nova Scotia
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Slovakia
Estonia
Denmark
Netherlands
Switzerland
Montenegro
Northern Ireland
Maryland
Belgium
Albania
Hawaii
Massachusetts
Vermont
New Hampshire
New Jersey
Wales
Slovenia
Connecticut
Cheyenne River Indian Reservation
Crow Indian Reservation
Cyprus/Standing Rock Indian Reservation
Pine Ridge Indian Reservation
Wind River Indian Reservation
Puerto Rico
Fort Peck Indian Reservation
Fort Apache Indian Reservation
San Carlos Apache Indian Reservation
Hopi Indian Reservation
Delaware
Blackfeet Indian Reservation
Prince Edward Island
Colville Indian Reservation
Flathead Indian Reservation
Hualapai Indian Reservation
Long Island
Jicarilla Apache Indian Reservation
Rhode Island
Luxembourg
Faroe Islands
Isle of Man
Andorra
US Virgin Islands
Malta
Liechtenstein
D.C.
Jersey
Martha's Vineyard
Guernsey
San Marino
Gibraltar
Monaco
Vatican City

Russia
Canada
US
China
Brazil
Australia
Europe
India
Argentina

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 01:57 (eighteen years ago)

That sure is a list of names.

― Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 02:01 (eighteen years ago)

my favorite is Slovenia

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 02:05 (eighteen years ago)

I ignored Rez'es that were smaller than Rhode Island (lol), but I'm pretty sure I'm missing one or two.

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 02:08 (eighteen years ago)

this is a bad idea.

― J.D., Tuesday, 24 July 2007 02:21 (eighteen years ago)

We're going the opposite direction anyway, what with this creeping AMERO thing, amirite?

― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 02:52 (eighteen years ago)

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