Oh god I just lost it with a call centre operative and I now feel really guilty

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I’ve seriously only lost my temper twice last year, but have just got really seriously angry with the utility company that’s meant to be fixing the heating in our flat to the point where I shouted so much at the call centre minion that I got cut off and then threw the phone against the wall. I know it wasn’t the guy’s fault, but I’m so pissed off at having no hot water and no heating for three weeks, it just ain’t funny. I have half a mind to ring their press office and pretend to be from a call centre magazine (yes, they exist, I’ve worked for them before) and get through to the call centre manager and really have a go Any ideas to restore my sanity, not to mention the feeling to my cold, cold fingers?

Nobodys Frozen Prawn (Nobodysprawn), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 12:56 (twenty years ago)

It ain't funny, and that sounds really shitty to be without heat for so long.

But reading Jon Ronson's article about how poorly treated call centre operatives are in the Guardian at the weekend made me feel a bit guilty about being so horrible to them.

But still, no heat is NO HEAT and you can't live like that!

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 12:59 (twenty years ago)

Ho ho, guess whose heating problem has now been flagged with "do not fix until winter over".

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 12:59 (twenty years ago)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1695278,00.html

Did you read that in the Guardian last Saturday?

Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:02 (twenty years ago)

Working in a call centre and expecting to not get shit is like joining the army and expecting to not get shot at.

The Man in the Iron-On Mask (noodle vague), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:03 (twenty years ago)

The best thing to do is to call back & speak directly to a supervisor/manager & try to stay calm. Explain that you are fed up of being palmed off & have been waiting far too long.

Panther Pink (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:05 (twenty years ago)

I am reading the most depressing book at the moment ("Willing Slaves: How The Overwork Culture Is Ruining Our Lives" - probably not the best thing to be reading when I'm already stressed and depressed) and it had an entire chapter about how call centres mistreat their employees.

Mainly the idea of "emotional labour" that is involved with the amount of empathy that call centre people are supposed to project.

I mean, anyway, to counter what's above... sure, it's a shitty job being a call centre person, but think how much worse Prawn's life would be if there were no call centres, and she had NO IDEA what was going on with her heating? (Ok, mind you, that's not that different from how things are now, but still. I'm trying to be optimistic.)

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:07 (twenty years ago)

That was a fantastic article by Ronson. But there are other jobs. No one is forced to become a cold caller so my sympathy level remains at zero.

The most chilling part of that article was when the guy leapt into a sob story about how his friend had died of cancer and the reason he was doing this is so that you, dear person on the end of the line, you won't have to suffer like she did. Then he hung up and admitted he'd made it all up.

I've done call centre work. Cold calling, which was utterly depressing - but not because of the customers being rude, it was all to do with the team leaders and management 'targets' and bullshit attempts at 'motivation'.

And like Stone Monkey and not-goodwin, I've done the 'customer service drone' job where furious people ring in and scream blue murder. In my case, I had the joys of dealing with a raging underclass/benefit fraudsters and gentle pensioners who made innocent mistakes with their benefit. And yeah, the former found their requests shoved to the bottom of the pile. It was the only way of bringing a little bit of morality and karma to such a fuckawful job.

Of course, now I'm in the middle of a 5 month long, 15 hour-long angry phone calls and STILL NO RESULTS battle with UK Online to get my broadband back. The system done got me back.

I've often thought of doing what NFP said, ringing in pretending to be from a magazine in the hope of terrifying them into action. But would this really work?

Affectian (Affectian), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:18 (twenty years ago)

I got called by an undergrad at my old university last night - he'd left a message so I was expecting him to call back - and he did a superb job of getting me to sign up for a regular contribution to a fund for underprivileged students. He spent five minutes talking to me about my time at university - a conversation I was glad to have to be honest, it was nostalgic and interesting. And then he mentioned the whole funding thing and I was the easiest sell in the world, having already made up my mind to contribute when I got their preparatory letter a few weeks ago.

I did briefly work for a cold calling company (not a call centre - there were only three or four of us in a terraced house in Putney) and it was horrific and soul-destroying, but I don't think I expect anything else. It paid £5.50 an hour in 1992 which made it worthwhile I suppose. I was trying to sell medical insurance to companies, which was far better than just calling people at home. I then got switched to market research, which is another magnitude better - it's still dull and lots of people don't like it, but far more respond and some of them actually enjoy it.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

j ronson's article was a good read, as per usual, but didn't make me feel sorry. not that I ever say anything nasty, to cold callers

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:54 (twenty years ago)

I worked a summer in a windowless call center for one of those time share companies that get all their contacts through the Win a Vacation/Jeep Cherokee boxes you see at restarants/trade shows etc. Each cubicle had a mirror you were encouraged to keep looking at to make sure you kept smiling (serious - this was mentioned all the time). The woman who ran it was like some eastern-european mafia expat who had her poor teenage DAUGHTER working there, she was mad cute but utterly shy and demoralized to the point I never saw her smile once - ehr mom taxed her ass in front of everyone if she didn't get enough retards into the 90-min seminar. When I quit I almost cried about her. My headset smelled like canned corn. I try to be nice to call centre people as much as possible.

LeCoq (LeCoq), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Am in warm internet cafe now. I did read Jon Ronson's article. Actually, I've done more than that. This time last year, I was in Mumbai, reporting on an actual Indian call centre - pretty state of the art office by the way - but still pretty rubbish job. I've also been to Macclesfield and that call centre seemed about the same, although that was an inbound one.I've now calmed down, haha, have just eaten huge fry up too, and am going to get my flatmate (Scottish, so naturally sounds a bit angry in a wotsit-from-TTOI way) to phone 'em back when he comes back from his shift at the pub.

Nobodys Prawn (Nobodysprawn), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:06 (twenty years ago)

Uh, not sure of the etiquette of posting this but just came across it on Dave Haslam's blog, it relates to this thread and it's a sweet tale:

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Imran cold-calling

I know everyone reacts differently when people cold-call trying to persuade you to switch energy suppliers or take out complicated talk plans. I used to be a bit abusive, on occasions, I'm sorry to say, but more recently I have started offering callers discounted DJ jobs. Once I start rabiting on about "dancefloor classics" and "I Luv You Baby by the Original" they tend to ring off, which means I can get on with my 'work'.

Just spoke to "Imran" who phoned me on the landline with some scheme for cheap phone calls. Did my usual "I'm a DJ, have you any parties this year; are you planning on getting engaged or married?". He admitted he was phoning from India. I asked him what his favourite music was and he said "Punjabi music". I said I had loads of Punjabi music (I lied). He actually got quite excited, but it turned out he didn't have a girlfriend so there's little chance of a gig. I said I'd do it for the cost of the airfare. I painted him a picture "You're getting married, it's your big day, and you have flown a DJ all the way from Manchester, England. You'll be the Man, Imran." It was sad, really because I think he really thought it would be brilliant.

He asked me what country I was from originally; I think the name 'Haslam' confused him, especially when I had told him I loads of Punjabi music. I said I was originally from England and at this point I confessed I didn't actually have any Punjabi music but I said I could get some from a shop in Rusholme. The idea of me having cheap calls just wasn't on the agenda anymore, but I also felt like a bit of a d!ckhead having a laugh at his expense. I told him to keep my number and call me back when he had a girlfriend. He said he would.
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Affectian (Affectian), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:08 (twenty years ago)

DJ? Haslam? Affectian - your first name isn't Dave is it?

I've done call centre work. Cold calling, which was utterly depressing - but not because of the customers being rude, it was all to do with the team leaders and management 'targets' and bullshit attempts at 'motivation'.

On the fucking money. Worst job of my life. Someone told me the company I used to work for, Ant Marketing, were hauled over the coals in a Radio 4 documentary about call centre evil.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:22 (twenty years ago)

Yup, ignore that, because it was actually written by Dave Haslam and not you.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:23 (twenty years ago)

I was blinded by residual raage towards Ant Marketing.

Yes, Googlers, that's Ant Marketing in Sheffield. Ant Marketing. Never hire them and never work there.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:24 (twenty years ago)

I worked for that very same ANT Marketing in Sheffield. They still owe me a few quid and a few pennies that I never went picking up. I couldn't stand to be near that building ever again. I'd like to know more about that documentary if you have the info.

Affectian (Affectian), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:27 (twenty years ago)

I may be a bitch to my family members, but being nice to telephone solicitors is easy! And you feel so smug and perfect afterwards! You can get them off the phone just as quickly. I think you need to send flowers.
I also thank the Jehovah's Witnesses for their concern in my spiritual health in the same breath that I tell them I'm not interested. Something about that one-two punch sends them away very quickly.
It's no-cost niceness.
As for the heat, in situations like that try crying. Tears work very well.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

I've done call centre work. Cold calling, which was utterly depressing - but not because of the customers being rude, it was all to do with the team leaders and management 'targets' and bullshit attempts at 'motivation'.

very otm. i've done work like this when things have gotten desperate, and my supervisors have invariably been psychotic and/or completely incompetent. i wanted to kill everybody. i quit one such job after a week and they refused to send me my paycheck.

dancing chicken (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:57 (twenty years ago)

I agree with Beth. My method of dealing with call centre people is to talk to them, then say things like "well, that's not really good enough", then start crying (tears are usually real tears of frustration, turned to my advantage) and say "look, I'm sorry to be pissy at you, I know it's not your fault, but you just happen to be the one on the phone." This always escalates my call.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:02 (twenty years ago)

I've worked in tech support on and off (now off again, thank the skies) for about 8 years now. IT tech support is its own level of frustrating hell. People are calling because they cant use their internet/computer for whatever reason and it usually divides into a few camps:
- the completely clueless non techy person who doesnt even know where the start menu/mouse/screen is. We're not there to hold their hand, but we cant fob them off totally, so trying to balance do what you must with "god get off my phone" is hard as hell.
- the rude cunt consultant who is dealing with Very Big Client and thinks he knows everything and is furious because its Our Fault something's broken (be it DNS, routing, outages, etc). These guys are ALWAYS male assholes who give me shit because I'm a girl and obviously, I have no clue do I. I love it when I pwn these wankers.
- the desperate internet addict. Usually its either Ebay or some online game that THEY MUST HAVE ACCESS TO OMG LEGAL ACTIONBBQ!&!^@$ Get one life, you people.

So I have a lot of sympathy for call centre people as I know theyve heard the same story 6 bajillion times that week, theyre told what to say and what not to, which is why you feel like they wont help (they CANT, unless they want to get fired).

Cold callers from India on the other hand can kiss my keks. As soon as I hear the telling silence and faint bip of an overseas call connecting, I just hang up.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 06:52 (twenty years ago)

The thing I hate about calling tech support is being told that they support most machines/software except the one I'm using, which is infuriating when you're paying for the service regardless and have spent 20 minutes on hold waiting to be told this. FFS do they think that none of their users will have Macs? Other call centres bother me depending largely on whether service was less complicated before they arrived on the scene, so I pretty much hate bank call centres with no reservation.

My mother spent a lot of the holidays screaming at cold callers that she was on the (US) Do Not Call list, but her line got at least 20 unsolicited calls a day despite this.

Market research - which I've done - is not as bad because the callers are not trying to sell anything but I can't help them now because journalism DQs me as a respondent.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 08:06 (twenty years ago)

Being rude to call centre staff achieves nothing apart from guaranteeing that your enquiry won't be dealt with.

James Ward (jamesmichaelward), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:12 (twenty years ago)

That's not necessarily true, James. If the call centre staffer is masochistic they may enjoy the abuse, and even want to extend the call for their own pleasure. This would be a rare thing though.

ratty, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:23 (twenty years ago)


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