Come anticipate Richard Kelly's "Southland Tales" with me

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ie, the next film from the "Donnie Darko" guy. A "genre-bending musical comedy thriller"? hmmmmm

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:55 (twenty years ago)

i was going to start this thread a month ago. but this movie looks too weird, i might not want to be associated with it.

the cast is fucking horrendous.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:58 (twenty years ago)

the cast looks absolutely atrocious.

The Rock .... Boxer Santaros/Jericho Kane
Seann William Scott .... Roland Taverner/Ronald Taverner
Sarah Michelle Gellar .... Krysta Kapowsky/Krysta Now
Mandy Moore
Miranda Richardson
Kevin Smith .... Simon Thiery

KEVIN SMITH?!?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:59 (twenty years ago)

better at 'acting' than anything else.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 April 2006 20:07 (twenty years ago)

you know I could give a pass to the movie if the Rock OR Sean William Scott OR Mandy Moore OR Sarah Michelle Gellar were involved - but all of them together = me scared

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 April 2006 20:10 (twenty years ago)

One would assume if Kelly did this purposefully with a mega-ensemble, he is casting these folks for (or to play against) their iconic status.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 April 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

if this isn't my favorite movie of the year i'm going to be sad.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 28 April 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

i can't wait for this!

flea market economy (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 28 April 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

the director's cut of Donnie Darko,the way Domino turned out, and Richard Kelly's presentation last year at Comic-Con don't exactly bode well, but keeping my expectations low is a good way to make me enjoy a movie.

brontosaur, Friday, 28 April 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

i still need to see domino. what happened at comic-con?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:20 (twenty years ago)

well not much happened at Comic Con. Richard Kelly came out for about 10 minutes during Kevin Smith's panel, and he looked really nervous, and sounded really nervous (which is understandable and I would be too).
Then he showed this sort of story board of two SUVs having sex. I'm not sure what two SUVs getting it on has to do with the movie. I guess we'll see if its funny or interesting in context.

you don't really need to see Domino. It's pretty bad, and I usually like Tony Scott movies.

brontosaur, Friday, 28 April 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)

the Cannes cut is 160 minutes.

Also, the government is OUT TO GET HIM:

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/archives/2006/05/southland_tales.php


Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5002702.stm

More news, not encouraging.

-rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:08 (twenty years ago)

those quotes from Gellar are so stupid

just imagine it - a porn star! who is popular in pop culture! it's like our wildest science fiction is coming true!

Renard (Renard), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:51 (twenty years ago)

Pop star Justin Timberlake appears in the film as a crazed Iraq war veteran selling a spiritual drug to people in Los Angeles.

"I think you will see Justin do extraordinary work in the rest of his career as an actor," said Kelly, who said Timberlake's character was the "spiritual centre of the film".

Good lord.

erklie (erklie), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:05 (twenty years ago)


That might've seemed just as ludicrous if said about Mark Wahlberg 15 years ago.

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People who don't watch porn can't name a single contemporary porn star. Me, f'rinstance.

I don't particularly see anything in that story that makes ST seem like a surefire disaster, or any more ludicrous than a PT Anderson film.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:07 (twenty years ago)

People who don't watch porn can't name a single contemporary porn star.

then there is still time, time to reverse course before this futuristic nightmare world of famous porn stars comes to pass

Renard (Renard), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Ron Jeremy people.

I'm deeply skeptical about this film. (PT Anderson comparison seems on point - especially considering I hate all of his movies except the big hit).

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:35 (twenty years ago)

I think the Adam Sandler movie was PTA's biggest grosser.

Ron Jeremy is a contemporary porn star? My eyes!

Renard is like the teenager on ILM who refused to believe Stephin Merritt wasn't sure who Jessica Simpson is.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Very true about Wahlberg, Morbius. this film seems to be aiming for a Walhbergian transformation for about half its cast, which seems like it'd be damn tough to pull off. Fingers crossed, though.

erklie (erklie), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:56 (twenty years ago)

I'd guess that even among people who partake of porn, relatively few could name more than three or four porn megastars (Jenna Jameson, Jesse Jane, Tera Patrick+?).

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:58 (twenty years ago)

"We thought it was the most ridiculous idea - a porn star who has a drink line and has a talk show and reality show," she said.

WOW that is such a crrrrrrrraaaaazy idea

that could NEVER HAPPEN

Renard (Renard), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:58 (twenty years ago)

if one does, we know yr in the fanclub

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

everything i've heard about this movie so far makes me want to see it. justin timberlake selling spiritual drugs? come ON, this is a guaranteed classic of one kind or another.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Not so classic as JT's suburban drug-dealer thriller directed by the guy who did the Notebook.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 20:11 (twenty years ago)

It's a shame it's being dismissed cuz it sounds weirder than Friday's Brett Ratner claptrap everyone soooo loves sight unseen, or the likely gaseous Innaritu the midbrows are swooning for.

J Hoberman sez Southland is visionary, and "There hasn't been anything comparable in American movies since Mulholland Drive."

http://www.villagevoice.com/film/0621,hoberman,73309,20.html


Karl Marx (and his family) keep surfacing in various guises, including the last remnant of the Democratic Party.

just for gabbneb!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 12:20 (twenty years ago)

cannes is not a good place to be watching movies, 'specially long ones.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 12:36 (twenty years ago)

But Hoberman's always had a weakness for "visionary film[s] about the end of times."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 12:43 (twenty years ago)

good for him!

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 12:44 (twenty years ago)


My optimism is tempered by Hoberman considering the Danish prick's grainy Brecht ripoffs visionary as well.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 12:47 (twenty years ago)

who exactly loves any brett ratner sight unseen (or seen for that matter)? both look to be dumbed down portentious comic book riffs so i guess the comparison stands. i'm definitely curious about this (more than any other recent movies with buffy or the rock)(ok any recent the rock flix without a sweaty rosario), though the dreary/laffable and far too messianic first time round thank you director's cut of donnie darko leaves me far less enthused than i might've been once - richard kelly might've overnight become a director whose indulgences are worth indulging but right now i'm hoping he didn't have final cut. is it still a musical? it was at one point right?

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:06 (twenty years ago)

I prefer the director's cut of Donnie Darko, ponderous time-space nonsense and all, although I have even less patience now for the shrill New Age mom (none of the New Age moms I know are ALSO interested in banning books; they're genial wishy-washy libs).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:15 (twenty years ago)

Miami Beach native Brett Ratner used to visit the bookstore at which I worked all the time. With his dirty feet and sandals, $8 bathing suit, and raggedy hair you'd never know he was charging close to a $100 for his book of celeb photos. Nice guy though.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:16 (twenty years ago)

Manohla Dargis says ST is often funny, which quickly separates it from any recent comic-book adaptations.

"A black comedy about Dystopia, America, 'Southland Tales' opens with a line from T. S. Eliot's poem 'The Hollow Man' ('This is the way the world ends') and a nuclear bomb exploding above a Fourth of July gathering. What follows is a sprawling, periodically dazzling, often funny pop-and-politics mash-up that finds a porn star (Ms. Gellar's character) united with an action star (Mr. Johnson's) to save a country awash in celebrity culture and neo-conservatism.

At the news conference, sitting next to the stars and his longtime producer, Sean McKittrick, an unsmiling Mr. Kelly seemed painfully aware of the critical reception, even going so far as to hope aloud that the film would not 'bomb.'

Given the critical reaction and the lack of an American distributor so far, this worry may be premature.

'It's a very sad situation we've found ourselves in as a country,' Mr. Kelly said at one point. I'm not sure he was only speaking politically."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:31 (twenty years ago)

"his longtime producer"

not bad for a guy on his second film.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:32 (twenty years ago)

I think she's referring to years.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:36 (twenty years ago)

I think she meant "supplier."

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Morbius, don't confuse comic book fans awaiting a comic book adaptation for lots of people being excited at the prospect of a new Brett Ratner joint.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Buffy, the Rock and Armageddon. It can't help but be great.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)


but milo, at the moment THEY R ONE & THE SAME.

Jeez, Zelda Rubinstein, Miranda Richardson, Christopher Lambert, John Larroquette, Wallace Shawn AND Curtis Armstrong are in it!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:32 (twenty years ago)

as a fan of the first two X-Men movies, I am decidely NOT excited about the new Brent Rattner "joint", as you put it.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Anticipating the question of re-editing, Kelly brings it up first. "I certainly would imagine that when this movie is seen in theaters it's going to be significantly different," he says, hinting that he'll have to keep the basics of the story line involving the three stars (the Rock's amnesiac action hero, Sarah Michelle Gellar's porn star–cum–TV host, and Seann William Scott's twin brother cops), but jettison almost everything else.

"I think I have no choice in the matter because I want this movie to be seen," he says. "But I want to make sure that we can hold on to the complicated structure because it's very, very thought-out. We spent years designing it, and I think upon first viewing it rushes over you and leaves you in a daze."


http://www.villagevoice.com/film/0622,peranson,73376,20.html

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 19:30 (twenty years ago)

He'd better not cut one of the film's music video inserts, a phenomenal lip-synched version of the Killers' "All These Things That I've Done" by Timberlake while tripping on "fluid karma" (a Dickian hallucinogen that's also the source for the evil German corporation's alternative zeppelin power . . . for real). "I hope that stays in the movie, yeah, as I actually think that's the film's heart and soul," Kelly says. "When I heard the Killers song I thought, wow . . . it really breaks my heart.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

sounds like a winner

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)

this is starting to sound like a really entertaining mess.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:35 (twenty years ago)

a la Schizopolis (which I actually didn't have the patience to sit all the way through)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:36 (twenty years ago)

the guy wrote 'domino', which hopefully wasn't indicative of his true skills

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:37 (twenty years ago)

i hate made-up drugs in movies almost as much as i hate crowd scenes

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

"he came in all hopped up on something called gelxon!"

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:44 (twenty years ago)

all the fake drugs in Naked Lunch are awesome.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:49 (twenty years ago)

it felt both prophetic of the current state of the world and utterly of its time as well

imago, Sunday, 3 May 2020 19:41 (six years ago)

fgti did you see this before agreeing to work on the box lol

imago, Sunday, 3 May 2020 19:41 (six years ago)

I just watched The Box last week, enjoyed it

Dan S, Sunday, 3 May 2020 20:12 (six years ago)

Southland Tales was chaotic and was too long but it was brilliant and memorable I thought...”some strange flip side of teen-targeted Hollywood pop cinema”.

the film style of The Box didn’t feel as innovative, but it was an interesting story and was more coherent

where did Richard Kelly go? He hasn’t made a film in 11 years

Dan S, Sunday, 3 May 2020 20:38 (six years ago)

kept thinking of Southland Tales while I was watching Under the Silver Lake earlier this year

Dan S, Sunday, 3 May 2020 20:50 (six years ago)

kept thinking of Southland Tales while I was watching Under the Silver Lake earlier this year


Minority defender of Under the Silver Lake here and this isn’t the first time I’ve heard this. Need to watch ST.

circa1916, Sunday, 3 May 2020 20:59 (six years ago)

also really liked Under the Silver Lake

Dan S, Sunday, 3 May 2020 21:17 (six years ago)

right now though I keep going back to stare at the photo of Richard Kelly on IMDb

Dan S, Sunday, 3 May 2020 21:40 (six years ago)

Just gave this a shot on mubi, somehow managed 43 minutes but enough was enough

or something, Sunday, 3 May 2020 22:08 (six years ago)

@ imago yes of course I love this movie and told the director as such, one of my favourites

we have no stan but to choice (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 3 May 2020 22:24 (six years ago)

My character...his name... is Jericho Kane.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 4 May 2020 01:47 (six years ago)

three weeks pass...

About 30-40 minutes into “Under the Silver Lake” I mentioned to my spouse that this seems like the kind of movie someone who grew up in the 90s would make. One of the last generations somewhat aware of old Hollywood, had seen The Big Lebowski, Mulholland Drive and but also thought Donnie Darko was revelatory.

And then the underground dance scene to “What’s the Frequency, Kenneth?” came and that sealed the deal.

There’s a film that deserves it’s own thread.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 03:15 (six years ago)

Loved under the silver lake too. Feels like a mid point between the more gonzo Southland Tales and the lower key charms of Lodge 49. Inherent Vice fits in this club too but I'd need to rewatch it to say more.

Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 04:04 (six years ago)

want to rewatch both Under the Silver Lake and Inherent Vice

Dan S, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 00:38 (six years ago)

eight months pass...

My friends just got me the most amazing, batshit Cameo I've ever seen. Just absolutely speechless right now. pic.twitter.com/qP4E08B8RX

— Zach Heltzel (@zachheltzel) February 23, 2021

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 19:17 (five years ago)

lmao

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 19:38 (five years ago)

lololol he said the line!!

J. Sam, Friday, 26 February 2021 01:33 (five years ago)

Has anyone seen the Cannes cut yet? It's been MANY years since I've been this excited to see a movie

J. Sam, Friday, 26 February 2021 01:35 (five years ago)

still wondering, where did richard kelly go

Dan S, Friday, 26 February 2021 01:58 (five years ago)

At some point John Larroquette says a phone number. The first time I saw this, I paused the movie and called it out of curiosity. It went to voicemail and the message was "hi this is John Larroquette, please leave a message." I doubt the number still works.

billstevejim, Friday, 26 February 2021 16:19 (five years ago)

It's possible I left a message too but I don't remember lol

billstevejim, Friday, 26 February 2021 16:20 (five years ago)

brad I ended up quoting that jon lovitz cameo in my empty man piece so thank you for linking it

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Friday, 26 February 2021 16:21 (five years ago)

eleven months pass...

Watched the Cannes cut yesterday. Had never seen the original version so I'm curious how it compares. I guess it says something that I was rarely bored over the course of nearly three hours, but it was def incoherent (narratively and politically). But also understandable as a response to living through the GWB administration.

Were there multiple mentions in the original version to the manipulation of the ocean's tides slowly driving everyone insane? Feel like that information is key to understanding this movie on at least some level.

When the Pain That You Feel is the Bite of an Eel, That's a Moray (Old Lunch), Sunday, 6 February 2022 17:31 (four years ago)

one year passes...

i still haven't seen this. i own the dvd! i don't know why i am so hesitant. i mean, i'll watch pretty much anything. i keep staring at the dvd...

scott seward, Monday, 10 July 2023 22:49 (two years ago)

Watch it now!

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 10 July 2023 22:52 (two years ago)

see, that's the inspiration i need.

scott seward, Monday, 10 July 2023 22:58 (two years ago)

According to imdb he has a new film in pre-production titled Corpus Christi.

We'll see. It's been 14 years since we've heard anything from him

Dan S, Monday, 10 July 2023 23:08 (two years ago)

It might not hurt if you’re a wee bit altered.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 00:03 (two years ago)

It's terrible but needs watching.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 00:29 (two years ago)

oh noes do i do theatrical cut or cannes cut??? cannes must be fancier, right?

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 00:54 (two years ago)

i'll flip a coin.

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 00:54 (two years ago)

Theatrical cut!

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 01:04 (two years ago)

i confuse "southland tales" with "southlander". and "under the silver lake" with "on the silver globe".

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 01:07 (two years ago)

three months pass...

https://reverseshot.org/symposiums/entry/3157/southland_tales_again

Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Sunday, 5 November 2023 14:04 (two years ago)

one month passes...

Just had the pleasure of rewatching this, showing it to the bf, he’s as entranced as I ever was. I’ve bought this film on DVD four times as gifts, appreciated. Michael Koresky isn’t trying to get it— his writing is never about the film but about his own prose style; wish he’d one time actually try to write about something other than his own writing— the film is simply about giving $17m to a teenage 29 year old white North American guy and asking his thoughts on 9/11 and in that regard it’s a masterpiece, strictly considered within the terms of its contract

spider alert: 🕷️🕷️ (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 06:30 (two years ago)

otm

imago, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 07:14 (two years ago)

Is it crazy to say that this maybe should’ve been longer

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 11:18 (two years ago)

Michael Koresky isn’t trying to get it— his writing is never about the film but about his own prose style; wish he’d one time actually try to write about something other than his own writing

Not otm at all. I direct you to his introduction to a new collection of Todd Haynes interviews and essays about him, and to Films of Endearment.

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 12:34 (two years ago)

I love and am jealous of Koresky but that book isn’t exactly the first thing I’d recommend to someone who thinks Koresky only writes about himself

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 14:31 (two years ago)

I posted it as a semi-ironic remark, but as an analysis of '80s ladies it's terrific.

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 14:36 (two years ago)

I’ve only read maybe… ten of his essays? Most recently the May December one. He is tap dancer more than writer.

spider alert: 🕷️🕷️ (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 17:27 (two years ago)

See stuff like this, aside from lack of talent, is why I more or less don’t write anymore

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 20:43 (two years ago)

Have you tried tap?

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 20:49 (two years ago)

Don't try making albums, that's for sure :)

spider alert: 🕷️🕷️ (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 21:47 (two years ago)

(That wasn't intended to discourage you from making albums, just that the shit that musicians will read about their work is far more excoriating than some random loser posting "this critic likes the sound of his own typing" on a message board)

spider alert: 🕷️🕷️ (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 21:48 (two years ago)

I had Koresky's book on Terence Davies on hold, before the TPL got hacked and everything stopped.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 22:20 (two years ago)

Haha, when it comes to music I’m strictly a Salieri cliche.

Sorry to almost lash out, also. Got some not welcome news today and it got me going dark there

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 23:38 (two years ago)

❤️ it’s fine! I didn’t read it as hostile at all, I was just worried I sounded spikier than I intended. Sorry to hear about your bad news, also

spider alert: 🕷️🕷️ (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 23:40 (two years ago)

All good, and thank you. I’m also sorry for getting spiky. I do like Koresky a lot, but maybe it’s less for his critical observations and more about just identifying with his general worldview and thought processes

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 23:49 (two years ago)

Maybe I just need to read more of him when I’m not grumpy

spider alert: 🕷️🕷️ (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 December 2023 00:47 (two years ago)


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