David Hockney

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Namechecked all over ILX but never had a thread of his own, it seems. Thread prompted by the sale of "The Splash" for 2.6 million pounds.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 June 2006 04:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

gay

jäxøñ (jaxon), Thursday, 22 June 2006 04:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i do love his photocollaging work

jäxøñ (jaxon), Thursday, 22 June 2006 04:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

hockney is strangely undervalued i think, the splash paintings are iconic enough that are they are almost sepreate from the rest of the corpus (a print of a similar, calmer painting sold for more then a million in the multiples auction at christies earlier this year, one of four for sale)

i think that he is the best pure painter that we have, his work has grown more beautiful, and more refined the further he has gotten, with the recent series of large works of the yorkshire countryside taking some of that california light to a anglo world, the colour in those paintings, and the perspectives are radically renewed.

there are other works i love--his swimming pool pictures, not so much splash, but their are several that are so placid, almsot a kind of zen calm, and the double portrait, one nude and one in a suit, is a sly comment on public/private personae, his grand canyon 45 peice suite is epic americeana, his society portraits have a really queer archness, his pencil drawings, esp. male nudes have the sinous desires of matisse and the fuckablity of late picasso, but the rigour of someone like sargent...the best in art history, i think his drawings, and deeply under rated--there is one of two daschunds in a chair, that has a tender devotion to domesticity, and a nude where he actually somewhoe made the arms and pubic region ligthened like tan lines...

there are ones that i like, i like his apartment block in los angeles, with the large brick dingbat and the sprinklers, the etchings for grim, his stage sets for a rakes progress, and the photo collages, esp the ones he did of his mother in winter, and of the large scrabble game, im less fond of pacific coast highway, i also really like the drawings he did of plants, of daffodils, cacti, and the like.

also his sketchbooks are just fucking amazing

i think that and maybe this is changing, he isnt taken very seriously, because of his skill at representation, his belief in the domestic pleasures, his calmness and other reasons i cant quite put my finger on, he really isnt viewed as important as other artists of the 20th century (see the lumpen, brown and black, almost decaying paintings of for example bacon or freud, the angst and the sadness, and the almost self loathing, that make tens of millions, and compare it to the exquisite control of hockney and get back to me--though freud paints much less, draws much less, and his prints/etchings arent as omnipresent as hockney, and bacon is dead so that cant really be made as an arguement, and auchenbach i dont think makes as much money, so i may have painted myself in a corner)

even LA artists (for example, i odnt have the numbers in front of me, but i think that theibaud, his closest american equvilent has done much better then 6m,i think hes broke 10) and i think that now, because LA is starting to ecclipse NY as a historical center of american art (cf the current center pompidou show) that his painting might be at the forefront, though he lacks the irony, the conceptual power, the lingustic games, or the sexy hollywood abjectness of other people in the same place.

maybe he isnt even american? something like this:
http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/1250_ossieclark/img/designs/hockneylg.jpg
is much closer to this:
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gainsborough/andrews.jpg
then this
http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/irvinem/visualarts/Image-Library/Warhol/warhol-double_elvis-1963-2.jpg

(though speaking of mechincal reproduction, his book on the use of veiwing instruments in art from the reniassance onwards is really impt, and i thot persuiave, i didnt understand the political controversy that reached it)

(also he rules)

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 22 June 2006 07:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the original jarvis cocker.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 22 June 2006 08:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

waht does that even mean

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 22 June 2006 08:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

professionally northern art-school cynic with outsize spectacles.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 22 June 2006 08:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the recent "early days of channel 4" thread reminded me of a program in which every week a famous artist fooled around with a very elementary computer paint program (this was around 1985-86) - most of the program then was an onscreen 16 colour mess of scribbles with the artist explaining what they were doing/how difficult is was to use - the whole thing was very zen to watch. anyway the only artist i remember being on it was Hockney, he was very engaging. damn, i wish there was some way of watching this again. a new series with for example Shrigley doodling away would be good too.

zappi (joni), Thursday, 22 June 2006 08:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

his stuff is so great

for me it looks good at first, and then after long consideration it takes on depths I'd never have guessed at on first viewing

kinda like Magic Eye, only better & more expensive

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 22 June 2006 11:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

£2.6mil is a steal. The Splash is so iconic it'll go for 3-4 times that in a decades time (if it comes up for auction again).

perhaps i should retract that, but i'll keep it. just read further and it seems i've confused it with A Bigger Splash, but the difference isn't all that great. What are Hockney's auction prices vs. Alex Katz?

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Thursday, 22 June 2006 12:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you can get a really good katz painting for under a million still

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 22 June 2006 12:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

great.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 22 June 2006 12:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Are they big? I got a lot of wall space. Is there anything with puce in it?

Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 22 June 2006 13:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

are you interested in drawings?

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 June 2006 13:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I got a lot to learn, though. I wasn't into art as a kid.

Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 22 June 2006 13:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't sell my work by the yard!

:D

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 June 2006 13:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

AND I LIKE TO DO DRAWRINGS..

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/6070/simon44kv.jpg

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Thursday, 22 June 2006 14:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I would like to interject that I loves me some David Hockney. He reminds me of Max Ernst, who I also loves me some of. I will now pass the conch to somebody who actually knows something about art.

Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 22 June 2006 14:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Believe it or not, in 1978 or so, when I was 12, I saw something by him I liked and wrote to him in care of a gallery. (I had a weird habit of writing long gambly letters - for no real reason - to people I admired.) About four months later, a cardboard tube with my name on it arrived in the post with a nice letter thanking me for my interest in his work and a 13" x 15" sketch of a swimming pool scene was included, signed and everything. I still have it; can I retire now?

Dee Xtrovert (dee dee), Thursday, 22 June 2006 19:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

no

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 22 June 2006 19:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

dee that's fantastic.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 June 2006 19:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

that is so awesome. when I was ten I used to write to tv stars & musicians & writers but artists are probably much less used to getting "hi I love your stuff!" letters from kids

your sketch is probably enough to have one hell of a vacation with if not retire, but I'd assume sentimental value will keep it in your house, eh?

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 22 June 2006 21:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
Scathing review -"his inexplicable decline" -by Brian Sewell of the new Hockney exhibition at the National Portrait Gallery.

Over 160 works on show for £9 admission. I'll definitely be going along.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it got pretty bad reviews over here too

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I love David Hockney. I was surprised to learn he started out as a Britisher. He's prolly my fave 20th cent. artist.

Abbott (Abbott), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the recent "early days of channel 4" thread reminded me of a program in which every week a famous artist fooled around with a very elementary computer paint program (this was around 1985-86) - most of the program then was an onscreen 16 colour mess of scribbles with the artist explaining what they were doing/how difficult is was to use - the whole thing was very zen to watch. anyway the only artist i remember being on it was Hockney, he was very engaging. damn, i wish there was some way of watching this again. a new series with for example Shrigley doodling away would be good too.

-- zappi (cfca...), June 22nd, 2006 5:28 AM. (joni)


someone to youtube this plz

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I was surprised to learn he started out as a Britisher.

Am I missing something or are you genuinely surprised by Hockney's Britishness?

Venga (Venga), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Surprised yesterday to find the revised and expanded "Secret Knowledge" leaning on my front door. Only about 100 pgs in right now, but already loving it a lot.

Oilyrags, Thursday, 26 June 2008 13:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Still a hero. I'm far less interested in the exact tools he uses as I am in how he continues to explore possible ways of engagement via tools to hand that suit his interests and impulses best.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 January 2011 19:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like how she makes Bridlington sound like the edge of the world.

Magic Our Maurice! (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 January 2011 19:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

How can it not be with a name like that.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 January 2011 19:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

This thread considerably less busy than the current exhibition at the Royal Academy. Queue snaking outside the door into the courtyard and the rain.

Didn't like it much tbh. So little depth or subtlety. A few of them worked from a distance but when I approached I actually felt the canvas pushing back at me. Ok maybe they're not meant to work up close but I like to appreciate a bit of technique and there wasn't much on offer here.

i remember when there was time for klax (ledge), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 10:12 (six years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

Saw this the other night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFRyJ0GyNHw

It was a little all over the place at times, like they weren't sure what kind of tone they were after, but what came through in the end for me were the interview clips with Hockney today. He's got an old man's bemusement and a glint in his eye that are very engaging. I don't think I realized he and Henry Geldzahler were so close.

clemenza, Thursday, 28 April 2016 11:50 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

He is 80 even though all the cigarettes - acrylic paint must have anti-cancer properties

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:05 (three months ago) Permalink

I was reading this book by Van Gogh where he is sayign how paint and canvases are kind of expensive but draking is teh cheap way to make art - NOT IF YOU NEED AN IPAD TO DO IT!

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:07 (three months ago) Permalink

anyone growing up in the filth and poverty of postwar Bradford might just become immune to death.

calzino, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:13 (three months ago) Permalink

Hasn't he gone a bit gammon in his dotage?

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:17 (three months ago) Permalink

AKA The Yorkshire Disease.

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:18 (three months ago) Permalink

Doe she still have a floor at the Salts Mill in Saltaire? Worth a visit.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:20 (three months ago) Permalink

it must take some effort to maintain a Yorkshire accent when you've been living in LA for 50 years!

calzino, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:21 (three months ago) Permalink

I have been wondering what is the biggest you can print something you make with a koala pad

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:23 (three months ago) Permalink

Idk, but you mentioned the acrylic paints and stuff, they are nothing compared to procion dyes. An Uncle of mine spent 30 years working with them and his nickname was Yellow Eddie!

calzino, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:30 (three months ago) Permalink

He wrote this in 2007

The amount of drugs advertised on television tells me what has replaced tobacco (although 20% still smoke): painkillers, Prozac and antidepressants, mostly prescription drugs - you just tell the doctor what you need. When prescription drugs are advertised in the press there is always a lot of small print listing side effects, and on television you get a speedy talking voice listing the side effects. You perhaps hear one word in four - paralysis, diarrhoea, death, headaches. I expect it all to come here. Drugs (legal and illegal) are the world's largest business, and one can understand why, since they make us feel better.

I think he might have a point. People need emotional crutches and cigarettes might not have been the worst one all things considered.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:37 (three months ago) Permalink

"Hasn't he gone a bit gammon in his dotage?"

He came out as a Brexiter last year and did some shitty masthead for The S*n.

calzino, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:44 (three months ago) Permalink

Great painter and all time style icon though

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:46 (three months ago) Permalink

His lookalike and old pal Bennett was far more eloquant:
“I imagine this must be what Munich was like in 1938 – half the nation rejoicing at a supposed deliverance, the other half stunned by the country’s self-serving cowardice,” he wrote.

calzino, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:47 (three months ago) Permalink

I'm always pleased to see creative minds well compensated for their work instead of dying penniless and sad

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:48 (three months ago) Permalink

If it was a stark choice between dealing with Murdoch rag and living on the streets, then I'm afraid he's still going to the gulag!

calzino, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:56 (three months ago) Permalink

Wish I hadn't known he was a brexiteer tbh

“Brexit didn’t surprise me totally because I’d been living in provincial Britain,” he said. “The power has spread to the people because that’s what the iPhone has done.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/london-letter-david-hockney-a-rare-brexiteer-among-british-cultural-giants-1.2969795

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:58 (three months ago) Permalink

bring on Hockneycoin

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Friday, 9 February 2018 21:41 (three months ago) Permalink

Letting some tight old Yorkshire bastard start their own crypto-currency would be a terrible idea: It be ower brass, not yours lad, don't give me that tommyrot about global economies, pal. I've bin to Leeds.

calzino, Friday, 9 February 2018 21:51 (three months ago) Permalink

I saw the exhibit at the Met two weekends ago; it was impressive! I love turning Cezanne into ad man rendering of homoerotic flatness.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 February 2018 22:18 (three months ago) Permalink


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