Predator vs. Predator 2

they are all about...fuck, what are theya bout....the evil within?

Why? Rasta gangbangers. You don't see enough rasta gangbangers in moving pictures these days.

Buckaroo Banzai's drummer wielded a mean-looking Uzi.

Only er good instead of not.

OK the order in which they die in P1 surely breaks the rules of order-in-which- scoobies-die, since two black guys die ONE AFTER THE OTHER. However I don't know if this is top or crap.

How i feel abt "Pussyface" as epiphet of grudging admiration = ditto.

So therefore Danny Glover could have the Govenor of California any day of the week and we should make him our Global President accordingly.

Predator 2: fully recycled score (from Predator)
Wolfen: partially pre-cycled score (from Aliens)

Predator 2: invisible creatures from outer space w/ infra-red vision kill drug dealers
Wolfen: ghostly creatures from the Bronx w/ infra-red vision kill drug addicts

Predator 2: a black renegade cop chases the monsters around; he runs and runs
Wolfen: a British renegade cop strolls behind the monsters; he's jogging in his free time

Predator 2: the monsters mimick people's voices
Wolfen: the monsters mimick infants' voices

Predator 2: funny sidekick gets cut to pieces in the subway; revenge ensues
Wolfen: funny sidekick gets bit in the larynx in a church; understanding ensues

Predator 2: shady government officials operate openly; they have infra-red vision and a stylish aluminium helicopter
Wolfen: shady government officials remain shady; they have infra-red vision and a charmingly lo-fi big brother apparatus

Predator 2: voodoo? definitely
Wolfen: voodooo? yes; could be mistaken for freemasonry

Predator 2: the hero earns the creatures' respect by smacking up one of them
Wolfen: the hero earns the creatures' respect by smashing a scale model

Predator 2: offers insight on the state of society (like, it sucks)
Wolfen: offers insight on man's attitude towards nature (like, it sucks)

i am hoping Aliens will not be fooled by bendy light camouflage technology...and that Predators don't have an EM filter to detect them
(Aliens didn't show up on infra-red for a start, if i remember the Cameron film correctly....which was interesting as it suggested they could match temperature & emissivity of surroundings...then again that was only said in amongst the hive-resin material, which was maybe made of the same stuff/texture as their outer shells...)

Jordan - fair point - but i guess that part of the 'fun' of hunting is supposed to be the care they have to take to avoid being detected by some sharper-than-human senses ? If hunters could just walk right up to animals undetected and shoot/skewer them, i don't know what kind of 'dignity' of craft/skill they would think was due them...then again I'm sure there are some crazy sadists who would love that...
hah maybe Predators are more psychopathic weirdos who have been banished/exiled from home planet than fearless Big Game Hunters...(would explain why they are more Monty Python bazooka vs mosquito than intrepid tigah-shootah in style)

Predator vs. Aliens will probably knock 1 and 2 off the pedestal.

i can't tell if that post was being serious or not

Pred1 is amazing, it was Aliens but-with-more-leaves-and-plants.

Pred2 fucked up anyway, showing the predator without his helmet on but still having thermal vision WHICH IS SoooO WRONG.

For your amusement:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/predator-oral-history-arnold-schwarzenegger-film-1014132

I shall quote the most amazing section: the part where nobody agrees on why Jean Claude Van Damme was fired.

Here's where things start to get weird. Everyone agrees on the general facts that 1) Jean-Claude Van Damme was originally cast as the Predator; 2) He didn't like the red suit, either, and clashed with Silver. But when it comes to why, exactly, he got fired, nearly everyone THR spoke with had a different explanation — including three separate first-person accounts of the actual moment he was fired. What follows is every account THR received of JCVD's brief stay in Puerto Vallarta.

Burch: Jean-Claude Van Damme was someone who used to constantly come into my office, jumping up in the air, showing me his moves, begging me for work. He was nobody. He didn't have any credits. So finally I said to Joel, "He'd be great as the Predator because no one moves like him." I mean he really is quite amazing. He even stored his furniture in my garage! And then (laughs) he wasn't there that long. And I heard he was complaining the whole time and they fired him. And he came back and got his stuff out of my garage. And then then next time I saw him he was getting $5 million a picture. [The "He complained too much" version.]

Baxley: Joel and I were walking down the hallway of the hotel together and Jean-Claude was walking toward us with his assistant. And Jean-Claude walked up and said, "Are you Joel Silver?" And he said yeah. And Jean said, "Well look at this!" And he jumped up in the air, I swear to God, did the splits with his legs straight out and his crotch was at eye level — and I'm 6 feet tall. He was there to play the creature, and a company called Boss had designed a creature. It had the head of an ant. And they spent an absolute fortune on this. And so they brought Jean-Claude out and they put the head on Jean-Claude, and Jean-Claude stood up and freaked out, and took off this $20,000 head and threw it on the ground and it shattered. And Joel said, "What the f— are you doing!" And he told Jean-Claude, "You'll never work in Hollywood again! Get off my set!" So that was it. [The "He broke the creature head" version.]

Davis: He was the original Predator until we realized the Predator couldn't be 5-foot-6; he actually needed to be of greater stature. [The "He was too short" version. (Worth noting that the man who replaced him in the new suit, Kevin Peter Hall, was over 7 feet tall.)]

Chaves: I remember getting a phone call in my room from Joel because Jean-Claude, him and I hit it off right away, and I thought that he would've been incredible as [the Predator] but he wanted his face to be seen. And I remember [Joel saying], "You go down there and talk to him and convince him that he's the alien and he's gotta get into the suit!" And so I went down and I spent a couple of hours trying to convince him that, you know, he'd be in this costume, "But everybody's gonna know it's you, Jean-Claude, because nobody can move like (you)!" I tried my best to convince him but it didn't work. And then I guess something happened, and he capitulated, Jean-Claude, to get into this suit and give it a try. And when they sent some of the first dailies of Jean-Claude in this original suit, the people at Fox hated it, absolutely hated it, and thought it looked like a rat — and it did! As soon as Joel was told about that news, he let him go. [The "Fox hated the original creature and JCVD was collateral damage" version.]

Duke: They were going to, I think, superimpose all of the special effects on the body in postproduction. But in order to do that, the actor had to wear a felt suit that covered his whole body, and with 90 and 100 degree temperatures, [Jean-Claude] had passed out twice from dehydration. And Joel came over and said, "Jean, I know it's hot, but we're losing time, man. If you pass out one more time, we gotta fire you." So Jean says, "I'm not doing it on purpose!" Joel says, "Man, this is production. Don't take it personally." So two weeks went by, and he's flying on these wires in trees and everything and he passes out, and Joel comes and tells him, "You're fired." [The "He passed out too many times" version.]

Hynek: I was in Joel Silver's trailer, and he had called for Jean-Claude to come see him. And he comes in the trailer and Joel starts saying, "You gotta stop kickboxing!" — because [Jean-Claude] wanted to kickbox — and he was telling him, "Look, the Predator is not a kickboxer." And Van Damme was like (Van Damme voice), "I must do that; that's how I see the Predator." And Joel said, "Well, you're fired. Get out of here." And Van Damme says, "Kiss my balls!" and walks out, and that was the end of that. [The "Creative differences" version.]

Also, this dreamy photo:

http://cdn2.thr.com/sites/default/files/2017/06/s839385_17_-_embed_2017.jpg

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that picture is incredible btw

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I should have more faith, but this looks terrible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPI9E-wNK8s

The trailer is awful, idk about the movie.

that looks kinda..... good? dumb trailer yeah and if the premise is really that the predators come here because a kid unknowingly pages them, that's ridiculous, but the actual like action and effects shots look well-staged and not stupid. shane black generally still has cred for solidly-constructed action fare, right? versus the nobody they found to do the one with adrien brody that everyone's already forgotten about?

It's a really bad trailer, gives me no sense of faith or anticipation for the final movie whatsoever.

versus the nobody they found to do the one with adrien brody that everyone's already forgotten about?

and that movie was actually not bad iirc

it was terrible imo.

v. disappointed that it's a Shane Black joint and appears to take place at Halloween rather than Christmas.

Rodriguez & Avellan produced but he did not direct or write

a Hungarian dude named Nimród Antal was the director

admittedly it’s been a while since i saw it but it was gory dumb fun iirc

clearly my memory is fucked though since i thought rr directed it

was just listening to "lord of the null lines" this morning

yeah Predators was a perfectly okay action movie

Nobody's gone to see this apparent pile of shit, then?

Is that a trick question?

It's unaccountably weird and lacking in self-awareness, but not as much as it needs to be, and has the same plot as that drunk pastor Ethan Hawke movie. They should have just combined movies.

has the same plot as that drunk pastor Ethan Hawke movie

wait what

the predator levitates when he gets a boner, is what I'm taking from that

Hahaha

I saw it. It’s very silly and a mess but I appreciated its gonzo spirit.

Predator straps on a suicide vest and drinks drano at the end

Spoilers, sorry

Also there are pred dogs and they have little dreadlocks it’s cute

predator 2 >>>>>>

easily, for a start Danny Glover is a real actor.

I can't remember if it depicted quite a bang-on dystopia of the near future with rampant gun crime and ultra militarised trigger happy cops or it was more of an accurate depiction of 1990. But it still pisses all over the first movie.

i love both films but predator 2's overblown comic book energy is just right for me

I just remembered I watched part (all?) of the most recent reboot in a hotel room, and ... what the fuck was that?

I watched the Adrien Brody one about a week ago. It was bad. And he was one of the worst things about it.

I haven't seen Predator 2 since it was in theaters. I remember it being OK, but I was 19 or 20 at the time, so... I wonder how the Jamaican voodoo gangsters come across in 2021.

I remember loving P2, watched in the cinema, rewatched shortly after on dvd still loved it. but watched more recently and oh lawd I couldn't take it.

The first film otoh is still brilliant.

Am I wrong in thinking that in 2 they fucked up the Pred thermal vision thing, and showed one still using it even without their helmet on (which provides the tech in the first place). cannot be arsed googling.com

uh as far as i can remember, no that didn't happen

I wonder how the Jamaican voodoo gangsters come across in 2021.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, June 22, 2021 7:42 AM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

broadly-drawn and therefore very poorly but it's also just, idk, an outrageous fictional universe where danny glover supercop becomes worthy of the title intergalactic warrior so i can cut it a lot of slack while i'm watching it

every setpiece is just an awesome visual cornucopia, cf. the strobing subway scene where bill paxton's comic relief character finally blessedly dies, or the long drifting lights of gary busey's alien-capture SWAT team trying to catch the predator in an empty slaughterhouse

(actually i grew to love paxton's extremely goofy performance over the course of the movie even though he has the worst lines on earth)

the decision to have the predator actually say "motherfucker" is not one i would've made but i appreciate the tastelessness of it, again, total comic book energy

and the whole movie is just very visually inventive, all these luminous masses of blue and orange, the camera often either hanging omnisciently over the scene or locked in extreme-close-up so you see the mists of sweat coming off of everyone's face

I think there was a Steven Segal movie that came out the same year as P2 with ridiculously ott/bordering on the racially offensive Jamaican caricature gangsters in it, but can't recall which movie - can only remember some writer in The Face magazine commenting on it quite possibly looking like a new bad trend in Hollywood movies.

uh as far as i can remember, no that didn't happen

Aahh but it did..

(quote from internet):
At 1 hour, 22 minutes, and 14 seconds into the film, the Predator is following Det. Harrigan up a ladder leading out of the meat warehouse. Harrigan just removed City Hunter's bio helmet, so there is no way the pred can see in his infra red (or whatever it's called) vision mode, and yet in this specific shot we get a first person view from pussy face in pred vision though he does not have on his mask. Is this an error or can preds see like this without their bio helmets on?

ohhh i think i misunderstood you

I think there was a Steven Segal movie that came out the same year as P2 with ridiculously ott/bordering on the racially offensive Jamaican caricature gangsters in it, but can't recall which movie - can only remember some writer in The Face magazine commenting on it quite possibly looking like a new bad trend in Hollywood movies.

― calzino, Tuesday, June 22, 2021 8:44 AM (fifty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

marked for death.

has a steven seagal and jimmy cliff collaboration on the soundtrack

i remember thinking predator 2 was total horseshit but maybe i'll have to "rescreen" it

from pussy face?

I just remembered I watched part (all?) of the most recent reboot in a hotel room, and ... what the fuck was that?

spent about a year in reshoots forced on Black and multiple re-edits by the studio

The first scene in Predator 2 with the big drug shoot out was intense in the cinema.

I like the first Predator movie and have no interest in any of the other predator movies.