TS: Giles Coren vs AA Gill

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Who less deserves a slap in the mouth?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Giles Coren (born 1969 in Paddington, London) is a British journalist and broadcaster. He is host of "Movie Lounge" on Britain's Channel 5, and restaurant critic for the British newspaper The Times, winning the title "Food And Drink Writer of the Year" in 2005.

He is the son of the British writer and humourist Alan Coren, and the brother of journalist Victoria Coren. Giles is mentioned in his father's work as being a particularly 'evil child', as Alan Coren describes him trying to kill a cat. He was educated at Westminster School before going on to Keble College, Oxford, where he achieved a first in English.

He also contributes an irregular and irreverent column to The Times, ranging from curious events in his personal life to political satire. Under the pseudonym Professor Gideon Carter he writes The Intellectual's Guide to Fashion in The Sunday Times, satirizing the pretensions of modern critical theory and cultural commentary. He ghost-wrote the autobiography of James Dyson, inventor of the famous vacuum cleaner, and has recently sold his first novel, Winkler.

Coren writes unorthodox reviews that are sometimes surprising in a paper owned by the conservative Rupert Murdoch: 'Food: 0; Just bloody being there: 7'. When asked. 'In your opinion, who is the most influential chef of our time?', Coren replied, 'Ronald McDonald, the poisonous criminal bastard.'

In the autumn of 2005, Coren appeared as a regular correspondent on Gordon Ramsay's The F-Word. In 2005, Coren's novel "Winkler" won the Bad Sex in Fiction Award for the most inappropriate description of sex. The passage he was awarded for ended with the sentence fragment "Like Zorro" which seems to be gaining a status as an internet meme. He is the host of the program Film Review on Channel 4.

On the 6th of June, 2006, he presented a programme on the digital channel More4, entitled Tax the Fat, a semi-serious look at the cost of clinical obesity and the cost it presents to the NHS.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

A. A. (Adrian Anthony) Gill (born June 28, 1954) is a British newspaper columnist and writer. He is also restaurant reviewer in the Style section of the London Sunday Times, and a television critic in the Culture section in the same paper. His reviews are famously short on detail about the food itself. [1]

He was born in Edinburgh, Scotland, and studied at the Central Saint Martins College of Art and Design and the Slade School of Art. He has a long-term relationship with Nicola Formby, who appears in his columns as "The Blonde".

He was once famously ejected from Gordon Ramsay's restaurant along with his dining partner Joan Collins. Ramsay's reason was that Gill had written a review of his restaurant that covered his personal life more than the food.


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Gill is notorious for his acerbic, provocative style, on one occasion in 1997 damaging his career by describing the Welsh as:

"loquacious dissemblers, immoral liars, stunted, bigoted, dark, ugly, pugnacious little trolls,"

While two years later he angered Germans with an article called "Hunforgiven" [2], making numerous references to their Nazi past. In 2004, when writing about the ITV drama Island at War, based on the German occupation of Jersey and Guernsey, he asked:

"What have the Channel Islands ever done for us? A couple of really expensive potatoes, a few flowers and fatty milk."

His comments were widely condemned in the islands as offensive and inaccurate [3].

On being mistaken for an Englishman he stated:

I don’t like the English. One at a time, I don’t mind them. I’ve loved some of them. It’s their collective persona I can’t warm to: the lumpen and louty, coarse, unsubtle, beady-eyed, beefy-bummed herd of England.

The truth is — and perhaps this is a little unworthy, a bit shameful — I find England and the English embarrassing. Fundamentally toe-curlingly embarrassing. And even though I look like one, sound like one, can imitate the social/mating behaviour of one, I’m not one. I always bridle with irritation when taken for an Englishman, and fill in those disembarkation cards by pedantically writing “Scots” in the appropriate box (The Angry Island).

Again on the July 23, 2006 edition of the Sunday Times, Gill wrote a very offensive article about the country of Albania. In his article he calls Albanians "the worst dressed teenagers in Europe" and the girls as "gangster bitches" and moreover he states that "to everyone's suprise Albanians are fair skin". He points out historical data on Albania throughout the article that are true lies with no facts. This may very well cost him his career as many organisations in Albania and abroad are calling for an apology from Sunday Times.

Many of his articles can be found on the travel writing and hotel revewing website he founded in 2000, http://www.travelintelligence.net - see http://www.travelintelligence.net/php/writers/writ.php?id=22

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

He is the son of the British writer and humourist Alan Coren, and the brother of journalist Victoria Coren

Case closed

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

AA Gill is the son of a BBC television producer.

Meritocracy - don't you just love it?

He's better without the Clarkson baggage, though.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I have been quoted out of context on the flyleaf of AA Gill's terrible new book. Bastard.

Pete W (peterw), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

They are both dull and eminantly skippable.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

aa gill

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i had no idea coren had two movie review shows, the greedy so-and-so.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

He must have them on merit, anything else simply isn't possible in Blair's Britain

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

aa gill at least had a chastening period as an addict.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

before coining it.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

straight no chastening

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

An addict of what? Port?

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i forget. iirc he was 'cut off' and lived in a bedsit in, i dunno, earls court before turning shit round.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Cut off? You mean his lecky was cut off?

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

from a parental allowance.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

How frightful

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the thing is, less successful media people than coren and gill have got where they are thanks to parental subsidies and/or connections.

but coren really is egregious.

actually gill is too, but he wasn't always *this* bad.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Ha ha, egregious, that reminds me of Pauline and Ross in "The League of Gentlemen"

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

aa gill's drugs hell

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I dislike them both but my friend says she wouldn't kick Coren out of bed, unlike Gill who she wouldn't even let near the bed. As I really dislike Ramsey I suppose I have to go for Gill though, my enemies enemy and all that.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 16:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I love both.

Well, I quite like Giles, but it's all about Victoria.

AA Gill is a fantastically good writer. I think his digressional restaurant reviews are often entertaining and witty (moreso than Jonathan Meades'), but it's his travel writing where Gill excells really. His pieces on Greece, Iceland, California, Bethlehem, Kalingrad and the Royal Agriculteral Show are standouts (and his article on Albania in last Sunday's Times wasn't bad), but his stuff on Africa is knockout. In particular the piece about pharmacutical company greed in Uganda was properly heartbreaking and angry.

He has a weakness for taking silly potshots at cetain places (Wales, Cheshire, Jersey) just to wind people up, it seems (fair enough, I think, but still)(though his critical pieces on Japan and Germany have real wieght. On Buchenwald: "Unbelievable, though, there is a restaurant here, set in the woods, rustic and jolly, with a view and a children's plastic slide. I've always thought that professionally I could eat anything anywhere. But I found my limit. I couldn't eat German food in a concentration camp").

Also search: his review of the Millenium Dome, his spat with Robert Killroy Silk (who tried to have a punch-up with him during a chance encounter in a bookshop after Gill tore into him in a column. "What do you think is going to happen now?" said Gill, and, sure enough, tore into him again in print the following week), his programme on Shakespeare, his bespoke tailored suits.

Destroy: the novels, his 'trendy' gear.

David Orton (scarlet), Thursday, 27 July 2006 09:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

This thread hits too close to home.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 27 July 2006 20:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Destroy: the novels,

God, I read one of AA Gill novels. I forgot about that. I can remember nothing of it, which can't be a good sign. I quite like him, though. David Orton pretty much OTM throughout there.

I have no opinion whatsoever on Giles Coren. Sorry.

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 27 July 2006 20:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

how so michael?

xpost

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Giles Coren and AA Gill are his next door neighbours.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
not since ribbentrop and molotov...

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I read that Gill piece in a rich friend's bathroom. Fucking dreck.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

there's a joke about having a 'posh wank' in there somewhere.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

AA Gill morelike AA Subversive amirite?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

I do like how the Times employs, as its third restaurant critic after these two, Michael fucking Winner.

Limoncello Carlin (The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 10:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

Restaurant critics definitely the most disgusting savages in the world.

talk me down off the (ledge), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 10:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

Have always quite enjoyed watching Coren try to eat himself to death in the company of that lesbian.

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 11:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

Kinda repping for Winner just coz I like some of his films.

Ozman Bin Laden (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 11:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

should've been a fatal threeway with jay rayner

cozwn, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 11:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm not too familiar with these guys but maybe Coren loves himself more? That would make me prefer him in any case as he seems more insulated from the glib cynicism and pithy self-loathing that characterises these sorts of lost Britannic folk. I can't think about Michael Winner, but he is a different animal.

ogmor, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 12:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

coren is definitely worse.

special guest stars mark bronson, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 12:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

Coren
I drive a Ford Fiesta. I am not ashamed of it in the least. I’ll have you know it is a Zetec, which means it is the same as a Ford Fiesta except with a cool, z-based word embossed on the back of the hatch in top-quality metal-coloured plastic. The last person to admire it (the funky z-based word, rather than the car) was a friend of mine in whose private jet I had just flown to Venice and back for lunch, and whose Ferrari was warming up next to it on the frosty gravel forecourt of his country estate, prior to a trip to buy the papers to see how much of the world he controlled on that particular morning.

Gill
Economists know nothing; politicians only know what economists tell them; bankers think economists are fantasists and politicians are idiots; bankers know less than nothing. If you want to really and truly understand what’s happening around you, what’s making the weather, look at the culture.

Coren by the country mile that is his fucking drive.

more private than a bar stool (Upt0eleven), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 12:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

well, gill's bit there isn't super writing, but it's not a million miles from the truth... except the last bit, but he's paraphrasing shelley innit. coren's paragraph is repulsive, taki-esque bullshit.

special guest stars mark bronson, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 12:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

Coren has a heavy awkward lit graduate fangirl base, right? I remember an ex-girlfriend casually mentioning once that she wanted to lick garlic mayonnaise off of him, although knowing my ex-girlfriends the thought of high calorie content gloop was more arousing to her than the thought of naked midget journos.

Limoncello Carlin (The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 12:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

i dunno, but i hear girls like rich, successful, handsome guys in general so it's a fair bet.

special guest stars mark bronson, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 12:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

i dunno, but i hear girls like rich, successful, handsome guys in general so it's a fair bet.

― special guest stars mark bronson, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 12:38 (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

So how come you're oh wait

Limoncello Carlin (The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 12:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

Coren was fantastic as the time travelling gourmand on 'The Supersizers Go...' series, couldn't imagine Gill being anywhere as funny or enthusiastic if he was roped in to do that job.

Shallow Gravy (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 12:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

beat giles coren in a pub quiz once, he was pretty ungracious about it. emily maitlis had to tell him to shut up.

joe, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 12:42 (nine years ago) Permalink


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