Whatever Happened To The Likely Lads?

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i think this programme is worthy of discussion. i wasn't a huge fan of the original likely lads series, but this return had something i think. but what? what do you think of this program? and its palce in british tv?

interested in hearing what carmody, hopkins, inglesfield and pinefox have to say on this one (as well as everyone else obviously)

gareth, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Wonderful, of course. I saw a woman who looked like Rodney Bewes on the bus the other day.

Ally C, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Interesting that the actor who played the likeable working-class-made-good achiever (Bewes) NEVER WORKED AGAIN, while the ne'er-do-well working class wastrel who never "makes anything" of himself (Bolam) has NEVER BEEN OUT OF WORK SINCE. Great of course: original in B&W AND return. Smarter and sadder than Steptoe and Son, which = v.funny obv but also v.mannered. "Tomorrow's almost over, today went by so fast, the only thing to look forward to — is the past..."

mark s, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

From what I've seen of it, the original "Likely Lads" series never fulfilled its potential. Clement and La Frenais were very young and so had probably not fully developed as comedy writers. By the time of "Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads", they were excellent writers. The series is very funny and has a lot of profound things to say about friendship, class loyalty and growing older. Many of the early episodes are perfect sitcom and are truly classic. Unfortunately, the final batch of episodes are very hit and miss. Perhaps the series ran slightly too long.

The first series of "Auf Wiedersehen Pet" was a natural progression from "WHTTLL". The comedy-drama format gave Clement and La Frenais more scope to develop their characters.

Mark Dixon, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I saw Rodney Bewes in the pub once. Can we do Rising Damp next? I've just read a book about it.

Peter Miller, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

And then Reggie Perrin after that!

Anyone want to borrow the 2 Perrin novels for swotting up?

David, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Rodney Bewes may not have worked MUCH, but he was in a Doctor Who story in the 80s. (Same story as Rula Lenska and Chloe Ashcroft!)

, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I never watched it. Maybe because my parents didn't like it. And maybe because I tend not to like those 'two wastrel men in a flat' format comedies - eg I can't stand 'Men Behaving Badly'. But maybe I should give WHTTLL another look.

David Inglesfield, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

oh it's very different to Men Behaving Badly. there's a lot more feeling in it for starters, and there's the classic theme of old friendships growing apart - the Rodney Bewes character has a wife, new home etc, is now 'grown up' and responsible. the initial series was more akin to the 'wastrel men in a flat' theme, except i think they were still living with their parents(?)

plus for geographers like me you get to see some great shots of Newcastle and the North East during redevelopment work (same as Get Carter). in fact urban redevelopment is theme of at least one episode where they go looking for the haunts of their youth and find them demolished etc

michael, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

in Whatever Happened, they're no longer "two wastrels", of course, as Bob has married now Thelma...

How much of the original survives though? Is it fair to judge on what's extant? The BBC just chucked away everything, Dr Who, Dad's Army, the only live footage of Albert Ayler (!)... I think (what remains of) 60s b/w stretch gains some of its poignant sting today from the way the story was subsequently developed (as "Men Behaving Badly" conceivably might also, tho i wd not put money on it...)

mark s, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

before those lost Dad's Army episodes at Xmas there was an explanation of the BBC's actions - they'd switched to new expensive video cameras, and had to re-use the expensive tapes. of course it doesn't explain why they still didn't keep a cheap film copy of everything, or why they switched to the new system so early if they couldn't afford it. (the lost episodes had only survived as film copies to be shipped abroad to other tv companies).

it also didn't mention whether their policy was to keep copies anyway, before moving to video (i doubt it was). it seems very strange to just chuck away programmes - especially since they chucked away loads of 'proper' tv drama in addition to the comedies, Dr Who etc

michael, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Perrin novels? Nobel prize ahoy! Those urban redevelopment shots in LL are poignant, possibly the most urgent and key thing about the programme (although I seem to remember them being more prominent in the big screen version (which was playing in Pwhelli once when we were there (the big screen version of Dad's Army was shown at our scout hut before it got burned down))).

Peter Miller, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The old British establishment (= the BBC management of the time) often didn't regard television as particularly worthwhile, even if they were producing it themselves, and even if they liked it they saw it as ephemeral and disposable, and wouldn't have believed that people 30-40 years later would still be fascinated by it. Along with the fact that b&w material was seen as outmoded and therefore expendable when colour came in, I think that pretty much explains the policy of junking almost everything.

Robin Carmody, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Not to mention of course the sheer amount of tape they would have to keep. Archives take up a lot of space after a while, and when said space can be used for other more "worthy" programmes....

In hindsight of course this was bluddy stupid.

Whatever Happened To The Likely Lads is a not always to gentle look at friends who have absolutely nothing in common but a shared past. A subject that I am fascinated by (why do people drink together...what is it to be a friend). Not to mention a theme tune which sums up the entire ethos and mood of the program in four lines.

Pete, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

but they junked stuff before the advert of colour etc - they wiped the video tapes immediately after broadcast for re-use. i can understand them not keeping game shows or news broadcasts, but actual scripted shows etc that they'd just spent a lot of money on recording... it just seems weird to me, the same as musicians who don't have copies of their own records

michael, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Not whenyou consider the cost of new tapes way back when. This was a new technology after all, video cost a lot of money to actually buy.

Not to mention the lack of pretty much anything that went out live - they just didn't bother recording them. And this meant a lot of early sixties drama/comedy (most early Hancocks f'rinstance).

Pete, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

When I worked in a Soho wine merchants in the late eighties Rodney Bewes, who was performing in a play down the street, used to come in every morning about 15 minutes after we opened to buy a bottle of pungent Bulgarian red wine. I seem to remember he wore a duffel coat. Barry 'Mind Your language' Evans (RIP) was another thesp with a taste for the pop too. He wore a snorkel coat.

Snotty Moore, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Not a big fan, actually. I think the name of the show and the opening credits are the best thing about WHTTLL. The show pivots around Bolam's confusion with his (un)changing life and I don't think he carries it, really.

"Porridge" the Clement/La Frenais show for me, and often the show of theirs with the most incisive things to say about class. Of course, "Porridge" is nowhere near as interesting a period piece in terms of settings / costumes.

Mooro: there were 3 Perrin novels. Which one are you missing?

Tim, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ulp! There were 4!

Tim, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

yes, bizzare that bolam's clothes/haircut don't look overly ridiculous today, whereas bewes is a 70s nightmare... must agree with the outside shots poigniancy, and the occasional north eastern turn of phrase always brings me out in goosebumps. Is the england vs poland one (with late great brian glover) the best or just the most famous?

CarsmileSteve, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tim: /me gets home & checks book My so-called "The Complete Reginald Perrin" comprises The Fall & Rise of RP, The Return of RP & The Better World of RP.

A fourth? I was ripped off!

There are some videos somewhere too but I will make no claims to completeness as you always catch me out.

David, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

BBC repeated the first series of Perrin a couple of years back but never the second and far superior series (the one where he opens the "Grot" shop) although I guess they're in permanent rotation on UK Gold or wherever.

Although I thought the last episode of the first series, where his "new" self becomes engaged to his wife again, very poignant without being sentimental.

Terry Shannon, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mooro: Nobbs apparently published the fourth, "The Legacy of..." in '95. Please note, I am no great expert on these things. The TV series is significantly better than the three original books, I think. Anyway, her e's proof.

Tim, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Is the right place to mention the GREATEST SPIN-OFF SIT-COM OF ALL TIME: 'Fairly Secret Army'? Funnily enough, the show now seems like something Robin Carmody might have dreamt up.

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Is the england vs poland one (with late great brian glover) the best or just the most famous?

Bulgaria, not Poland. Bewes makes a reference early on to rainfall figures for Bulgaria (or something, Bob often has this spotterish streak), and at the end... well, I won't spoil it. Er, perhaps I just have.

With Tim on this - Porridge vastly superior. Fairly Secret Army had its moments - nothing with Geoffrey Palmer can ever be all bad.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Fairly Secret Army also had a blinder of a theme tune. i think it was by Michael Nyman.

Alan Trewartha, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

...but surely George And Mildred was better than Fairly Secret Army?

Tim, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Terry - they did repeat the Grot series cos otherwise there's no way I could have seen it. It was about a decade ago I think though, maybe the first series has been on again since.

Tom, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Terry" is right in as much as they repeated the first series about three or four years ago. I too remember the other re-run which was in 1988 which went right through the Grot series which was triffic.

Pete, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Funnily enough, the show now seems like something Robin Carmody might have dreamt up.

Ha ha. This is so true. What does Robin think of it? Robin?

N., Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There's a surprising lack of Perrin action on UK Gold etc, it's all Birds of a feather etc, for shame.

chris, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm sure I've seen it in the last few months. Maybe it was on terrestrial. Watching that 'heroes of comedy' thing about Leonard Rossister recently made me decide he really was a hero of mine and I don't have many. God he was great.

N., Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I read Nobb's book "Bit of a do" and wish i'd seen it on the teev. (think it was on when i was at college.) Has this ever been repeated or UK Golded?

Alan Trewartha, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That was the one with Brenda Blethyn in, no? Never watched it but I'm sure they show it on the ITV one, Granada gold or somesuch.

chris, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Can't remember whether Blethyn was ever in A Bit Of A Do but she was definitely in Chance In A Million with Simon Callow - Thames or Granada (?), 1982-3ish.

Terry Shannon, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Watching that 'heroes of comedy' thing about Leonard Rossister recently made me decide he really was a hero of mine and I don't have many. God he was great.

Everton fan too (also politically blue, I'm afraid - he and Frances [SWP? CPGB?] de la Tour didn't get on). Seemed to be mates with Kubrick - I imagine Rossiter with his meticulous nature would be perfectly happy to do the 37 takes ol' Stanley might demand of him.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It is always a bit surreal seeing Rossiter turn up in 2001. cHigh point of a pretty dull movie though.

Pete, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pete, I can't agree re "dull movie"*, but i always thought it would spice things up a bit if they played the "Frasier caption" jazzy music over the epsiode titles. You know in big white Futura lettering: "Jupiter, Infinity and beyond" (tootle, tootle, tootly- tootle)

* You MENTALIST.

Alan Trewartha, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(pete = korrekt abt dull movie, except he is not EMPHATIC ENOUGH!!)

mark s, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

grrrr.

Alan Trewartha, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Don't worry Alan. It is my favourite film in the world possibly. At least that's what I told the Big Brother application form. Ill advisedly, I think. Who wants to watch some boring Kubrick fan on TV?

I know Rossiter was a right wing monster but somehow that's part of the appeal. Leftie actors are so dull.

N., Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

michael redgrave = grate

frances dlt [heh] shd have been in the CPGB(ML) IN rising damp imo (and discussed cornelius cardew non-stop)

mark s, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Never seen "Fairly Secret Army" but going to that page it's easy to see the Sanderson connection, I'll concede ...

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 6 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

yes, bizzare that bolam's clothes/haircut don't look overly ridiculous today, whereas bewes is a 70s nightmare

Put in context of time. Bolam working class with no pretensions, Bewes working class who's desperately upwardly mobile, new car, new settee, new clothes etc Bewes judgement more pliable than Bolams (natural sceptic)hence fashion faux pas.

Other thespian boozers, Michael Elphick unsurprisingly helped keep the Cricketers arms at Darlo afloat when he did panto a few years back. (allegedly)

Billy Dods, Wednesday, 6 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Best WHTTLL episode = the one w/the bicycle race

I like it a lot, but it's not as good as "Porridge" or "Rising Damp". "Rising Damp" is prob my favourite TV comedy.

Norman Phay, Wednesday, 6 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

also Terry has been in the army = rip van winkle = he is wearing clothes some yrs out of date in trendy 197x therefore "timeless" in any other year

also he is not chubby

mark s, Wednesday, 6 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(inciedentally i think birds of a fevver is as good as rising damp et al)

mark s, Wednesday, 6 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

SinXoR = utter mentalist but therein lies his charm

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 6 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

three weeks pass...
W.H.T.T.L.L.Superb series reinforcing a commonly held view that good times are only possible when your to young to realise how tragic life really is. Also can anyone remember the name of the pub.

Simon Harte., Sunday, 3 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

cunt + dic r to do likely lads eppsd sooncome

a-33, Sunday, 3 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Is the name of the pub called 'The Fat Ox?'. By the way, I have read somewhere that the original B&W programme was shown between 1964 and 1966, and the second was 1973-4. Terry goes off to the army at the end of the 1st show. I have a LL feature film on video where they knock the fat ox pub down and go on a caravan holiday. it was made in 1971 but where does it come in to the story? or was there a film made before showing the return of Terry?

John Perry, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ant and Dec are remaking the famous "trying not to find out the England football score" episode, presumably in time for the world cup. And Rodney Bewes is going to have a cameo part. I suspect this is all a bad thing.

Jonnie, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Just found out the film was made in 1976, it says 71 on the tape for some reason, doesn't matter. What does everyone think of the film? Was the pub called the Fat Ox? I haven't seen it for ages.

JohnPerry, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The first part of the film where they are touring the ruins of the old Newcastle of their childhoods is good. Spells out what was implied gradually over the course of the TV series: almost melancholy, but still funny. Can't really remember much of the second half, suspect like most 70s film adaptations of Brit sitcoms it wasn't very subtle, more Carry On than WHTTLL?

WHTTLL = classic, belated btw, for reasons already mentioned upthread.

Jeff W, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
i go look see if on dvd, but after beiderbecke disappointment, i worry...

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 00:40 (twenty years ago) link

did you find it?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 11 August 2003 06:59 (twenty years ago) link

have had a vhs copy of the 'WTTLL' movie since, like, forever.
funniest big screen translation evah.

bob ' hello terry'
terry : 'ello kidder...i'd give yer a drink but i've
only got six cans'
*

bob : 'in the chocolate box of life the top layer's already gone...
and someone's pinched the orange cream from the bottom'
terry : 'bloody hell'

*

hated each other in real life y' know.

piscesboy, Monday, 11 August 2003 10:51 (twenty years ago) link

the film is available in HMVs bogof promo at the moment

chris (chris), Monday, 11 August 2003 11:04 (twenty years ago) link

eleven months pass...
REVIVE!

Revivalist (Revivalist), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

is the movie on dvd? god it's funny.

piscesboy, Monday, 19 July 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Whatever happened to the Lovely Lads?

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 19 July 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

... they died. Well Rodney Bewes has:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42067506

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:44 (six years ago) link

RIP Rodney. Never understood what happened to this guy's career, he was so brilliant in "Whatever Happened To The Likely Lads", but maybe that's all he could do, he could only ever be Bob Ferris?

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link

I don't think Bolam has spoken to him since the 70's after falling out with him, even after his wife died a couple of years back. That is one long falling out.

calzino, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link

Have never seen this series but have long appreciated the theme tune:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn8eBbopYAM

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link

I don't think Bolam has spoken to him since the 70's after falling out with him, even after his wife died a couple of years back. That is one long falling out.

― calzino, Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:48 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i was just thinking this.

and tom otm. i don't think I've ever seen him in anything else

-_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link

i was just thinking about this show the other day, specifically terry’s immortal line ‘i’d offer you a beer but i’ve only got six’

what a great show this was, really need to watch it again at some point

It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes. (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link

It's being repeated on Yesterday on Fridays at the moment, although it looks like the evening repeat isn't on this Friday for some reason, only the 5:20pm one is on. I watched it last Friday night.

Odd that Bolam is the one moaning about being typecast by it, when he had the more successful career afterwards. Seems like a bit of dick tbh.

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 12:54 (six years ago) link

predates WHttLL? (and tLL too) but rodders was in BILLY LIAAAR! RIP

conrad, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:10 (six years ago) link

Bolam comes across as an...interesting...character but I love him to bits, maybe When the Boat Comes In even more than the Likely Lads.

faked potato (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:47 (six years ago) link

Have never seen this series but have long appreciated the theme tune:

Acquaint yourself with Rodney's Hendrix story...

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 14:04 (six years ago) link

James Bolam would be a good fit thesedays for "Bargain Hunt" and so on, but he's immensely private it seems.

He's notably absent from the tributes, but then I doubt he's on Twitter and so on.

Mark G, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link

So, not *that* theme tune (clue: No guitar on it), but.

Mark G, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 14:12 (six years ago) link

hendrix played the sax on ‘baker street’ iirc

It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 14:14 (six years ago) link

and bob holness played kazoo on ‘crosstown traffic’

It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 14:15 (six years ago) link


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