NY Law & Order: NO JUSTICE, JUST US

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"The examination found overwhelming evidence that decade after decade and up to this day, people have often been denied fundamental legal rights. Defendants have been jailed illegally. Others have been subjected to racial and sexual bigotry so explicit it seems to come from some other place and time. People have been denied the right to a trial, an impartial judge and the presumption of innocence."

gbx (skowly), Monday, 25 September 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

Good lord, the first page is so painful and then there are 7 more. I can't even bear to read the whole thing.

I can't imagine NY State is the worst in this regard either.

Still, it's quite shocking - you don't have to go to law school to become a judge???

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 25 September 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

to be a municipal judge, I think that's fairly common.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

This is precisely what our anarchist brethren fight and die break windows for!

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

^^^ it's true!

Some of the shit that these guys have pulled is ridiculous. The kid sitting in jail for...years?...for a drug charge he has yet to be tried for.

Or the defendants that have to do community service to pay for their court-appointed lawyer. UH.

gbx (skowly), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

Or at least, you know, we sometimes react to the horror of Vast Impersonal Forces these days by imagining more personal methods of organizing the world, but most recorded history through the present seems to suggest that the exact same problems express themselves either way, just in different forms.

Also I hate when people write stuff like "racism and sexism that seem to come from a different place and time" (even when it's an accurate description), because, you know, HELLO, you're presently reporting that it happens in THIS place and time, so what's with the weird little figleaf?

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

that's how come they say "seem"

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, J, but the construction pulls in two weird directions: it manages to (a) suggest that explicist racism/sexism has vanished into the past, even as it (b) reports that explicit racism/sexism has not vanished into the past, and is fact right here, under discussion. It claims that something's dead while simultaneously being shocked that it's alive. Like I said, I understand the point of the description, but there's something very strange about it.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

is this a d'angelo thread

Lazy Comet (plsmith), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

ooh nabisco i gave car1y something for you

< / end of threadjack >

Lazy Comet (plsmith), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

just f'n w/you bro, i know.

(btw only one paragraph, wtf)

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

haha, holy shit you people make the Texas court system look COMPETENT

milo z (mlp), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

i love the photo on the 1st page - yr all that's where the town's reserves of justice is kept? this is not looking good for me and my bag of weed.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

haha, holy shit you people make the Texas court system look COMPETENT

the article does not refer to the New York State Unified Court System. it deals only with town and village small-claim courts.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, we don't have those - even traffic tickets (much less drunk driving!) go to municipal or county court.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

no wait, they are part of the NYUCS. but the point is they are not found in cities. Texas does have the same types of courts in rural areas below its county courts.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 25 September 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

But serious things happen in these little rooms all over New York State. People have been sent to jail without a guilty plea or a trial, or tossed from their homes without a proper proceeding. In violation of the law, defendants have been refused lawyers, or sentenced to weeks in jail because they cannot pay a fine. Frightened women have been denied protection from abuse.

Oh my god, how terrible. Because advertisers in the NYT and your typical NYT reader would never do anything so classless and gauche given half the chance.

Slumming it on ilx (section241), Monday, 25 September 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

There are so many things dick-stupid about that line that I'm not even sure where to start.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 25 September 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

Hold it, wait, maybe I can do a top-5 shortlist:

1. Weird implication that violations of Constitutional rights aren't actually terrible if the people pointing them out can be effectively mocked

2. Weird groundless assertion that NYT advertisers (like, I dunno, Tiffany & Co., or Loew's Theaters) and "typical" NYT readers (meaning god-knows-who -- me?) have some secret itch to unlawfully imprison petty vandals and speeders

3. Insane implication that the meat of the issue is somehow class snobbery on part of NYT "types," rather than, I dunno, gross violations of disputed-by-no-one constitutional rights

4. Weird self-fulfilling rhetorical stroke of "given half the chance," which seems intended to relieve you of the burden of demonstrating that Tiffany & Co actually imprison people without trial, but misses half the point of the original article, which is that maybe these justices should have enough oversight that they're not "given the chance" to flagrantly violate basic laws

5. Pedestrian use of late-90s-style sitcom sarcasm

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

wow nabisco, I didn't know you had rants like that in you.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

wait, classless AND gauche?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

this is amazing!

roc u like a ยง (ex machina), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

haha awesome, i like nabisco's post and think it addresses the situation very well and covers what needed to be covered and i think there's a colloquial phrase to communicate my feelings, something like 'nabisco is on the money,' which could then be abbreviated to nabisco OTM.

x-post

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

NYT - friend of rich New Yorkers who fuck people over all the time but are fond of digging for dirt in the backyards of "crackers". But it's clear some people never experienced their complicity in that sort of thing.

I never said it was "right", did I? I thought Northwestern graduates could read.

Same old, same old.

Slumming it on ilx (section241), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

you're nobody

gear (gear), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, gabbneb, my #6 would have been a suggested edit to "classless or gauche!"

And Slumming, I can read what I wrote well enough to see that I didn't say you said it was "right" (the word "right" only appears in my post in noun form); I said you seemed to suggest that it was non-terrible, which I think is a pretty accurate conclusion to draw from your sarcastic use of the phrase "how terrible."

But mostly I'm just annoyed by the idea that we should all stop caring about gross violations of Constitutional rights and instead turn out attention to your awe-inspiring cynicism and discernment: forget exposing massive structural problems with the state judicial system, let's all watch Slumming drolly point out the NYT's complicity in a corpocracy that might (gasp) also have shit wrong with it!

Perhaps in an ideal future petty-tyrant town justices can rail against media consolidation and we can all roll our eyes discerningly and point to their judicial abuses, and the NYT can re-expose their judicial abuses and we can all roll out eyes and point to their big-business complicity, and then we can all of us have a grand party -- in jails cells where we're being held for traffic violations, via videophones provided through lucrative prison-industry contracts with GloboTeleCorp -- and congratulate ourselves endlessly on how clear-sighted and discerning we are, making droll, cynical it's-all-the-same-isn't-it comments well past first bedcheck.

Or else, I dunno, when someone exposes Constitutional outrages whose credibility and factuality we have no particular reason to suspect, we can say something like, I dunno, "That's terrible!"

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 25 September 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

Nabisco...could you shoot me an e-mail when you get a chance?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 25 September 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my god, how terrible. Because advertisers in the NYT and your typical NYT reader would never do anything so classless and gauche given half the chance.

-- Slumming it on ilx (triangles9...), September 25th, 2006.

Roffle at dude using words that he doesn't actually know what they mean.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 25 September 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, Slumming, I'm sorry for getting all pompous and blustery about that. We should happily disagree and not go on and on about it. Sorry.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

oh dont back down now

boo berry (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I thought your posts were totally OTM, Nabisco.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

I mean what exactly does it accomplish, Slumming, to criticize a newspaper for its alleged upper class leanings to doing a really good piece of investigative work and uncovering genuine and grave injustices, especially when those injustices most likely DO affect poor people? And do you actually happen to have detailed information on the NYTimes's comparative track record within New York City and within areas where the rich of New York play a more direct role in injustice, or are you just being smart?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, sorry, that came out a little garbled - not sure what happened.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

you're nobody

-- gear (speed.to.roa...), September 25th, 2006. (gear)

I just really like this insult because it seems to imply you're somebody.

As for the article, I'm kind of surprised. In the town where I grew up, my math teacher was a judge and a volunteer fireman, I think. I never thought about it before, but I'm pretty sure the only thing that qualified him to be a judge was the fact that he was a local dickhead.

Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

a great opportunity for local dickheads it seems - if only i were given half the chance.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

all my teenage traffic tickets were handled in these courts, but they were in kinda affluent suburbs where there's probably less of the stuff talked about in the article. it never occurred to me to wonder what qualified the judge to judge (and my status as a youthful offender wouldn't have made it a good idea to ask anyway).

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 03:55 (nineteen years ago)


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