Probably doesn't know about Myspace yet: U.S. Congressman Mark Foley (R-FL)

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dude resigned today w/ one month to go before his previously assumed re-election, all due to a few little emails where he cruised an underage page.

According to the CREW posting, the boy e-mailed a colleague in Alexander's office about Foley's e-mails, saying, "This freaked me out." On the request for a photo, the boy repeated the word "sick" 13 times.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

was a matter of time

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

so, we have at least 4 house republicans either out of office or in jail now, right?

-Ney (jail)
-Dukester (jail)
-Delay (indicted, will hope ta God go to jail)
-Foley (quit, will probly get investigated)

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Well, will probably get investigated for flirting with a minor and a subordinate, which is inappropriate and unbecoming in terms of a workplace (his workplace especially), but not quite illegal.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

There's been rumors about Foley's sexuality for years, so this is no surprise.

Jonah Goldberg: I have no worthwhile instapunditry. But, I think if the allegations are true this is just one more reason to add to the phonebook-sized list of reasons why grown men shouldn't mess around with underage boys. It goes some considerable distance after, "it's gross" and a good bit before "it takes time away from yard work."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

THAT'S GOLDBERG GOLD!

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

jonah goldberg, taker of bold stands

xpost

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose there's a pretty good possibility -- given his quick step-down and the reference to the other page -- that there's something more explicit than "eww why are you striking up personal relationships with teenaged pages" lurking out there for an investigation to turn up.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

He said Foley asked for his e-mail when the boy gave him a thank you card. The boy also said Foley wrote that he e-mailed another page.

"he's such a nice guy," Foley wrote about the other boy. "acts much older than his age...and hes in really great shape...i am just finished riding my bike on a 25 mile journey now heading to the gym...whats school like for you this year?"

In other e-mails, Foley wrote, "I am back in Florida now...its nice here...been raining today...it sounds like you will have some fun over the next few weeks...how old are you now?" and "how are you weathering the hurricane...are you safe...send me an email pic of you as well."

What the boy wrote to Foley, who is single, wasn't available. The e-mails were sent from Foley's personal account, which Foley spokesman Jason Kello says he uses to communicate with many people, including Gov. Jeb Bush.

"They have taken these e-mails out of context in order to smear a good man," said Kello, who described the exchange as "nonchalant, casual." He said Foley didn't save his e-mails or the boy's response.

gear (gear), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Foley, who is single

a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Friday, 29 September 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

apparently he had some pretty explicit aim chats (username: maf54), abc's got a hold of them.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

The biggest grossest ewwy tip-off in there is "he's in really great shape" -- plus followed by some lame-ass fake-casual suggestions that, you know, "hey, I work out and stuff."

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

>apparently he had some pretty explicit aim chats (username:
>maf54), abc's got a hold of them.

did they find their dignity yet?

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

if only he'd been trolling for mormon hitler youth huh squirrel police? you'd've been ready to pucker up and serve god.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha, what's that line? the one about how the only thing that would kick a sure winner out of office is a dead girl or a live boy?

xpost: shut up or you get moogles after your posts

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

There's been rumors about Foley's sexuality for years, so this is no surprise.

uh, what?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

gabbneb, this is probably a stretch, but the poster you quoted probably is referring to rumors going around for years that this dude likes other littler dudes. Just a thought.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, jeez.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

i had not thought of that.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, RedState commenters, you amuse me so.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

More GOP fun:

John Podhoretz: Take a Break from Foley and watch this powerfully moving trailer for a new movie called Home of the Brave about American soldiers in Iraq and afterwards.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

You deserve a break today.

http://www.calpots.com/sp_exhibits/political_poster/reagan.gif

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

i am just finished riding my bike on a 25 mile journey now heading to the gym

gear (gear), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

how old are you now?

gear (gear), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

send me a pic

gear (gear), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

i think it was edwin edwards' line in the race against duke about the only thing that could cost him the race is if he was caught with a dead girl or a live boy. he also had bumper stickers that said 'better the lizard than the wizard' and 'vote for the crook. it's important.' louisiana politics. he's in prison now. duke's a commentator/pundit for al jazeera and various mideastern papers sharing expertise on how the jews run america, 9/11 was a hoax, etc. squirrel police can probably give you more details on that though.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

Ned, I really don't know how you can bear to spend as much time as you do lurking around every major conservative message board!

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

lol

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

duke's a commentator/pundit for al jazeera and various mideastern papers sharing expertise on how the jews run america, 9/11 was a hoax, etc.

Shut up!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

the fox guarding the hen house

gear (gear), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Packwood was a leader on womens' rights

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Ned, I really don't know how you can bear to spend as much time as you do lurking around every major conservative message board!

The aliens amuse me. (They horrify me as well but they amuse me, 'cause I have to laugh to keep from crying.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

I read that National Review blog all the time. Drives me nuts.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

gear,

sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick

0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Friday, 29 September 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

(what type of pic do u want?)

0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Friday, 29 September 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

UH

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 29 September 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

So just to investigate the obvious here: this weird habit members of Congress have where, when it comes time to try and pick someone up, they immediately home in on the nearest lowly subordinate or intern or page or whatever -- is that just a matter of their expecting people on the inside not to talk about it afterward? It's not just that they work that much: is there some level of pomposity involved in it (come to me, my admiring underlings), or is it really just that they can't have anyone see them buying people drinks at a bar?

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 29 September 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.sweatpantserection.com/stories/img/82/dudley-molested.jpg
Rep. Gordon Jump (W)-OH, unavailable for comment.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 29 September 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

that they work that much: is there some level of pomposity involved in it (come to me, my admiring underlings)

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Friday, 29 September 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

nabisco i think a big factor too is they just don't have the time to devote to looking elsewhere for their strange. same reason some people bring lunch to work, etc.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 29 September 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

I always figured that, Blount, but they manage to spend a hell of a lot of time outside Washington! But yeah, I assume their in-Washington time is scheduled to death and surrounded by nothing but the inside.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 29 September 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.airodyssey.net/graph/airplane-joeyoveurlarge.jpg

lk (lawrence kansas), Friday, 29 September 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

lk beat me to it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 29 September 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Wu Tang (and Mark Foley) is for the children.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 29 September 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

xpost: shut up or you get moogles after your posts

oh yeah, and this was not directed at blount, obv

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 29 September 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

q: what did the Library of Congress tell Mark Foley?

a: don't bend the pages over!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 29 September 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

http://abcnews.go.com/images/WNT/02-02-03b.pdf

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

ohh he's so pwned

gear (gear), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

Maf54: um
Maf54: love to slip them off of you
XXXXXX: haha
Maf54: and gram the one eyed snake
Maf54: grab

gear (gear), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:54 PM): brb...my mom is yelling
Maf54 (8:11:06 PM): ok
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:02 PM): back
Maf54 (8:14:37 PM): cool hope se didnt see any thing
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:54 PM): no no
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:59 PM): she is computer dumb though
Xxxxxxxxx (8:15:01 PM): it makes me so mad
Maf54 (8:15:04 PM): good

gear (gear), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

oh even better

Out here in Oregon, we got a related but smaller thing going on with all this, only it involved the Republican Speaker of the House(one who's blocked all sorts of actually worthy legislation from even getting a vote), her husband's brother(a cop, not a congressman, named "Tuck"), and an underaged girl working at the local pizza joint.

And, as usual with these folks, this was the same politico who pushed harsher anti-molester laws last year.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/10/29/nbcs-chip-reid-the-mar_n_32745.html

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire/archive/ap/chipreedweb.jpg

jeez. that look and the "little cryptic" line is summoning old Jon Lovitz performances on "Tales of Ribardry"

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

aaaaaaand he's gunna stay in "rehab" just a few days longer. Maybe six more. Anybody know anything about the Sierra Tucson center in Catalina, AZ? Is it also run by Tom Cruise people?

and he actually partied with the tom cruise people, a fact that the tom cruise people are actively trying to scrub off their website.

Oh yeah, and get this: dude was in a shitty, straight-to-DVD-and-Showtime movie three years ago. The site even has a clip of the action. And the imdb entry, if you're curious(no credit for Foley, tho).

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/images/2006/11/strike-force-still.jpg

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Anybody know anything about the Sierra Tucson center in Catalina, AZ?

I grew up not to far from there. It's where Ringo cleaned up!!!

researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

In fact, it seems to be THE place for high-profile people to do rehab. It has something to do with its remote location, luxurious accomodations, quality staff, commitment to patients' security and privacy, and non-nosy neighbors. (not a very developed area, very very rural.)

I don't remember hearing anything about it being associated with Scientology, though.

researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.sierratucson.com/

researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

aw shucks, there's no photo of Foley on there.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

see "commitment to patients' security and privacy" two posts up.

researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

shucks. they coulda used the free pub.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

Without checking the website, I seem to remember them having three different facilities. One for plebians, one for teenagers (went to high school with at least a few alums!) and one for high-profile/ celeb peeps.

researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5112770,00.html

Tee hee hee.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

a 59yo escort? relationship must've been quite awhile ago.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

"steady"

researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

yeah weird turn of phrase there.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

and now he's stepped down "temporarily":

Today, a press conference by church leaders to support Haggard was cancelled shortly before it was scheduled to take place.

In stepping down, it was emphasized that Haggard did not admit any wrongdoing, but that he felt his effectiveness would be hampered by the cloud of inquiry...

http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=1366592
"You like to watch, don't you?"

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

dammit, let's try that again:

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2006/1102/20061102_032450_ol02haggard.jpg

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

and some damage control, more than what was hinted at, from the NRCC right before the scandal broke

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

Sully says Rove knew about Foley

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

Tags: Andrew Sullivan, Mark Foley, Foleygate, Karl Rove, Republican sex scandals, Recommended, Predatorgate (all tags)

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

Incidentally, there's plenty of Haggard talk on:

Jesus Fucking Christ: evangelical bigwig opposed gay marriage "because it takes the dirt and danger out of clandestine sex with rent-a-men"

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

Heh. This is the first thread(political or not) i've ever started to go over 1K in posts.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gRF8IhgzYfs&mode=related&search=

Interesting 7 min movie about all the people who knew about it, video of their cover-up lies and the finalé is watching them explain the $100,000 payoff Foley made when the first batch of emails were discovered.

Totally Different Guy Now (Dick Butkus), Sunday, 12 November 2006 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

eight months pass...

I AM ON A MAN HUNT

and what, Sunday, 5 August 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.newswithviews.com/Daubenmire/dave29.htm

and what, Sunday, 5 August 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

Oh the flashbacks.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 August 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

His latest effort.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 August 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

Every time I think of Joe Theisman I picture the breaking of his leg on Monday night football. Warning: Graphic. May cause emotional response.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 August 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Someone call the FDA! Some pastors are spreading Mad Cow disease and America is losing her mind!

Check the symptoms. Gays want to marry and churches bless the union. In fact, we now have gays offering the sacraments. MOO!

Fifty percent of all Christian marriages end in divorce and the Church crows about defending the sanctity of that union. MOO!

We have condoms to prevent disease and abortion to prevent children. MOO!

We educate our kids in Godless schools but rave about their sports program. MOO!

But why worry? Our attendance is up and so is the Dow. Things are looking better.

Mad Cow has taken over. We are losing our minds.

In the area where I live Amish food is gaining popularity. Restaurants serving "Home-style cooking" have customers standing in line. Sick of fast food and microwave dinners Americans are finding something of value in the old ways of cooking. It has a more lasting taste, and as Grandma used to say, it "sticks to your ribs".

We need a new diet. The time has come when pastors must feed the flock something that "sticks to the ribs". Years of greasy Grace have lead to a dazzling showcase but an empty stockroom. Rewrite the menu and include some old family basics.

"The soul that sins, it shall die"
"God hates the workers of iniquity".
"In righteousness He doth judge and make war."
"Be not deceived for God is not mocked. For whatsoever a man sows, that also shall he reap."
"Be ye Holy, for I am Holy".

Alexis de Tocqueville is credited with having said:

"I sought for the key to the greatness and genius of America in her harbors…in her fertile fields and boundless forests; in her rich mines and vast world commerce; in her public school system and institutions of learning. I sought for it in her democratic Congress and matchless Constitution. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because America is Good, and if America ever ceases to be good America will cease to be great."

Any nutritionists will tell you "You are what you eat." America, look in the mirror. Do you like what you see?

Mooo!

and what, Sunday, 5 August 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

Years of greasy Grace

!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 August 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

Mooo!

and what, Sunday, 5 August 2007 16:50 (eighteen years ago)

I'm still wondering about the Amish chain restaurant revival I've apparently missed.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 August 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

Grace gets really upset when you call her greasy. Understandably, I think.

Oilyrags, Sunday, 5 August 2007 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

He's back!:

The former congressman and 2006 Republican bête noire will appear on NBC News's Today Show next Wednesday. (or the Wednesday after next..)

That's according to a Florida source who is close to the former congressman....

Mr. Foley told friends that he wanted to wait until after the elections in 2008 so to have as little effect as possible on the current political situation.

He's sober, he's not blaming his problems on alcohol, he's kibitzing about Florida politics, and he's eager to speak...

...because we've all been waiting to hear about Mark Foley's thoughts on the state of things!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 November 2008 17:02 (seventeen years ago)

Mooo!

and what, Friday, 7 November 2008 17:04 (seventeen years ago)

Hahaha

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 November 2008 17:05 (seventeen years ago)

No one calls him at 4:30 am. :(

Nicolars (Nicole), Friday, 7 November 2008 17:06 (seventeen years ago)

Coach Dave just keeps at it:

Popular theory has it that over ninety percent of black Americans will vote for Obama. If that is not racist, I don't know what is.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 November 2008 17:07 (seventeen years ago)

oh no, we forgot about coach dave in all this

obama cyber leader (kingfish), Friday, 7 November 2008 17:07 (seventeen years ago)

bill: wow, its great to finally be in heaven! so, how'd you guys get saved?
paul of tarsus: while travelling to damascus, i was blinded by a pillar of heavenly light, and heard the voice of god speak to me from above.
saint julius: i denied my roman masters to study the teachings of christ, knowing then i would be killed.
emperor constantine: i saw an omen form across the sun with the name of my savior written in greek, and returned to form the first christian state.
bill: uh, yeah, i, uh, found a dasani bottle with jesus's head glued on it...

― and what (ooo), Friday, October 13, 2006 4:30 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol custos

and what, Friday, 7 November 2008 17:13 (seventeen years ago)

man, that coach dave:

Listen. I don't mince words. I will not be silent just because someone is going to call me names. Here is the truth.

* Nearly 8 out of 10 black children are born outside of marriage.
* About 13 percent of American women are black, but they
submit to over 35 percent of the abortions.
* The leading cause of poverty in America is single-parenthood.
* Homicide is the leading cause of death among black men.
* Over 1 million black men are in jail or prison.

Forty years ago, our white President Lyndon Johnson launched the "War on Poverty." This expansion of government ushered in the "War on the Family." Under the guise of "welfare," our churches permitted the government to usurp the responsibility of caring for the needy, a job which had always been mandated to the Church. Charity isn't charity when you use someone else's money.

The end result was the destruction of the black family. A government check replaced a father. The responsibility for caring for one's family was no longer demanded by the black community. Misguided government programs stripped the homes of the father. Overwhelmed and overburdened, the black pastors in the black communities turned to the god of government as the provider for their flocks...

Also, do these idiots who go on about the "failure" of welfare or LBJ's War on Poverty happen to remember that Nixon started slashing those programs(which had already begun producing results) once he took power?

obama cyber leader (kingfish), Friday, 7 November 2008 17:23 (seventeen years ago)

Dude really deserves his own thread. He starts this one out by quoting Rick Nelson lyrics, then takes off a lines in:

http://www.ptsalt.com/commentary/obama_s_garden_party

...Here is the real story, at least from where I sit in “flyover” country. Obama lost the election on the first night of the Democratic Convention. Let me be clear. McCain didn’t win it, Obama lost it. The media will do all they can with their “expert” pollsters, and CNN and NBC and the rest will do their best to put powder on the pig, but the race is over for Obama. It was the Garden Party that did him in. I know this flies in the face of inside-the-beltway experts, but it is crystal clear out here in cornfield country. The thing that has done him in is the political monogamy. The “experts” are married to the same worldview. They are an incestuous lot, spending all of their time sharing their monogamous ideas with other “experts.” It is the greatest deception that we all face…the thought that you are right because you have found someone who agrees with you. The radical Democrats in control of their party actually think mainstream Americans agree with them. Why? Because all they ever do is talk to other “experts” who share the same opinion. They are more faithful to their worldview than they are to their spouse. That, in a nutshell, is what has cost Obama this election. Let me stop right here. The Republicrats are no better but at least their ideas tend to fall in the mainstream of American values. Not all of them. But at least their core values can be found in any barber shop in rural America. When it is all said and done, most Americans trust their instincts. That is why the Obama presidency is dead on arrival, no matter how much the media experts tell you he is winning. The Democratic National Convention has worked very hard to put on a good show. There was a day when the Conventions were about smoke-filled rooms, and back room deals, where a candidate was actually selected. Today the conventions are nothing more than an Amway Convention where the party leadership creates an image which all of the media sycophants are supposed to enhance. Democrats think they are popular and that most of America supports the party of FDR. But it is an illusion. There is still a great deal of party loyalty, especially among blacks and union workers, but the heartbeat of America is not in rhythm with what the political gurus believe. The gurus love Democratic ideas and candidates so they think that all of America agrees with them. Because the pundits share like views they have convinced one another that they are correct. That is why I love my local barber shop. That is where you really feel the pulse of Joe Sixpack America. Joe Sixpack is tired of Bush and is open to change, but in his heart he's looking for Ronald Reagan, not Ronald McDonald. Obama was on to something with his innocuous theme of “change.” It helped him defeat Hillary and made him a media darling. But, to paraphrase Obama, change is “words, just words.” The proof is in the pudding. And on Monday night America discovered that there is a “fly in the ointment.” McCain is going to win. He’ll do it without his base. McCain is a Democrat who happens to be in the Republican Party. Many Democrats are happy to vote for him. They know he is not a real Republican. Remember, Joe Biden supports John McCain. But here is why Qbama is toast. He ran on change, inspired change, had folks hoping for change. And then he went to a Garden Party in Denver I went to a garden party to reminisce with my old friends
A chance to share old memories and play our songs again It was his “friends” that did him in. Died-in-the-wool Democrats love Democrats. They can’t wait to go to the party and “reminisce” with their old friends about the good ole days of Democratic Party power. Their Denver party featured the same, tired, big-government icons. All of their heroes were there: Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Kerry. The media pundits were former Democrat hacks Begala, Carville, and Brazile. The party insiders thought they were showing their power. Cornfield America began throwing bricks at their TV. You see….their memories were jogged. They remembered: · The malaise of the Carter years and 20% interest rates· The ungodly, socialist morals of the Clintons and Monica’s blue dress.· The degeneracy of Teddy Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopechne.· The phoniness of John Kerry and the Swift Boat veterans It was not a pretty picture. Most Americans want change but this was not what they had in mind. An Obama victory would signal the return of:

* E. T. look-alike Carville and his squinty eyes spinning the facts.
* Paul Begala and his disingenuous smile, and Eddie Haskel-like lying.
* Brazile and her race-tainted views.

I wonder if someone is sabotaging the Obama campaign? Obama will not recover. Americans are still too smart. Democrats will elect McCain with the aid of blind Republicans. They know that Obama is an empty suit. Maverick John McCain gives them an out because, after all, he’s not really a Republican. People came from miles around, everyone was there
Yoko brought her walrus, there was magic in the air…If you gotta play at garden parties, I wish you a lotta luck
But if memories were all I sang, I'd rather drive a truck. Again, McCain will win and Obama is toast. I hear the good ole boys in the heartland firing up their trucks. But all is not lost for the party of FDR. Either way, we get a Democratic president.

obama cyber leader (kingfish), Friday, 7 November 2008 17:29 (seventeen years ago)

Yes, I realize this is the LEAST of that guy's problems, but:

"There was a day when the Conventions were about smoke-filled rooms, and back room deals, where a candidate was actually selected."

How can that possibly be represented as a GOOD thing? How is there a total break-down between glorifying that kind of back-room shady deal that BIRTHS special-interest favoritism and corporate corruption etc etc and the oft-stated desire to reform Washington, kill pork-barrel spending, and so forth?

Fred Dalton Township (Laurel), Friday, 7 November 2008 17:35 (seventeen years ago)

What does this dude have to do with Mark Foley?

ᑥ ᑥ ᑥ (libcrypt), Friday, 7 November 2008 18:03 (seventeen years ago)

I think we started talking about him around the time that the foley thing happened.

obama cyber leader (kingfish), Saturday, 8 November 2008 21:24 (seventeen years ago)

yeah he should have his own thread because he is hilarious, lives sort of near me, and is known to show up at local gay pride parades. you know, just to see what's going on. also http://www.ptsalt.com/blog/administrator/2008/10/popular_gay_public_sex_hangouts_in_columbus_revealed i really love that these guys compile lists of cruising sites and pretend that their intent is to protect children.

horrible (harbl), Saturday, 8 November 2008 23:41 (seventeen years ago)

seven years pass...

The then-page who broke the news has written about it -- Zack Stanton:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/the-page-who-took-down-the-gop-mark-foley-dennis-hastert-213378

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 November 2015 19:49 (ten years ago)

Has time really passed THAT much?

Early in the page year, Foley started chatting with a few of my classmates on AOL Instant Messenger. AIM was an evolutionary ancestor to the later era of social media and texting, a place where you could instantly talk with friends or strangers while hidden behind a screenname.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 November 2015 19:52 (ten years ago)

wow

welltris (crüt), Saturday, 21 November 2015 02:38 (ten years ago)

you would put a dime in the slot and then enter the seven-digit number, or sometimes a ten-digit number, assigned to the party with whom you wished to speak

j., Saturday, 21 November 2015 02:40 (ten years ago)


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