Terminally-Ill Pets

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So my 13/14 yr old kitty has squamous cell carcinoma and is dying. His tumor is in his face and seems to be getting bigger every day. I'm not sure what the next couple of months will be like.

Has anyone else had to see a pet through a terminal illness? stories?

. . .and a soda on the side (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

this has happened 3 times in my family and the only advice i can give is to not hold on too long ie keep the kid's pain a higher priority than how miserable youre going to be without them.

sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

his pain is directly related to my misery. And I'm not looking forward to the downward spiral.

I'm just worried about knowing how much pain he's in. Kitty's aren't very sharing with their feelings.

. . .and a soda on the side (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

Katharine's right.

I spent the last day of Margot's life with her. I got her off of the street and she'd never been a particularly healthy cat but right before her final illness, she'd been doing quite well. She fag-hagged out at her last Christmas party, happily trotting from gay man's lap to the next gay man's lap. Suddenly, in February, instead of her ususal prolific vomiting when she got ill, I awoke one morning to find that she was incontinent, not so much shitting herself, as leaking feces. She could barely walk and while receptive to petting, otherwise listless. I cleaned her off and wrapped her in a towel, called my gf and then the vet and spent the day next to her. She lay in the wintry sun on the table in the bay window of our living room, barely able to lift her head but purring when caressed.

Naively, I still held out some hope that she might pull through but the nurses at the vet's office did not and they were talking about putting her down. To go from resolution and hope in the face of illness to resignation and dutifulness so fast was heart-wrenching. When the vet finally checked her out, her vitals were already fading. She'd slept in my arms almost every night for nine years and I had rescued her off of the street so I couldn't abandon her at the end and I held her in my arms one last time and pet her while they administered the lethal shot and when she was dead, I went outside, politely refusing the shot of brandy they kindly offered, and went to the nearby corner of Washinton and Steiner, sat upon the sidewalk watching the sun set over Alta Plaza park and wept bitter tears.

A week later we got Ava from the pound.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

ach, Michael. sad story. Margot was a lovely kitty.

To go from resolution and hope in the face of illness to resignation and dutifulness so fast was heart-wrenching.

I know what this is like. When Q-tip's sister, Bengal, passed away nearly two years it was relatively sudden. We came home to find her paralyzed and as we sat in the emergency vet room I kept thinking they were going to fix her. When the doctor said we should put her down it was like my heart turned to a brick and dropped to the floor. We didn't put her down in the end. They said it was doubtful she was in pain but just wouldn't last. She made it two more days.

I'm not looking forward to QTip's end but at least we have some time together. I just worry about doing everything I can for him in the meantime. He still seems to have an appetitie (cries for food) but when we put the food in front of him, he doesn't eat much. This worries me. Also he's been breathing strange and sneezing a lot. I think the tumor's starting to press on his nasal cavaties.

Yesterday I searched around for some vet oncologists but figured that route wasn't worth the effort.

. . .and a soda on the side (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

We had our dog's tumor removed. He still had some smaller tumors, andhe doctor gave him about two months, but we switched his diet soup and veggies instead of commercial dog food. We gave him his arthritis medicine so he could get some exercise. He actually improved for a time, and then he died in his sleep about six or seven months later.

I guess it depends on where the tumor is. We paid about $500 to have his leg tumor removed, and he really appreciated it.

You must be JOking! (section241), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Q-Tip's tumor is inoperable as it's basically taking up all of his face.

. . .and a soda on the side (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

Yesterday I searched around for some vet oncologists but figured that route wasn't worth the effort.

My gf and I talked about this at length and decided that we're never going to put any cat of ours through any medical procedure that's too involved and especially not chemo. They can't understand what's going on, you can't talk them into getting on board, and, in the end, the success rates aren't great. Better to let them live their last days with some dignity and then when the pain or other quality of life issues get overwhelming, put them down.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

Katherine's right. Our doggie Basiel's brain deteriorated which meant he moaned and howled. It was so sad to hear. After a day or two my parents decided (in the middle of the night!) to take him to the vet and say goodbye. Fuck, I cry even now, after more than three years. It's the hardest thing to do: carrying your pet to the vet. :-((((( My parents were there when they gave the shot and said goodbye.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

Sucks, doesn't it?

I've been through the terminally-ill pet routine more than I'd ever wish on anyone - I've lost five this year and will lose two more before the winter holidays.

Some ideas, though, that might help you.

Treatment:
- Have you talked with your vet about de-bulking the tumor? This won't stop the growth, as there's no way to get clean margins, but de-bulking (removing some of the tissue) can buy you more time with your animal.
- Have you looked at Prednisolone treatment? It's been used with squamous cell carcinomas in hedgehogs with interesting results - tumor growth seems to be slowed and it also seems to increase appetite.
- Have you talked with your vet about pain management/control? There are some good meds. now available for pain in animals and while some have side-effects, others seem to blunt the edge of the pain and allow for longer "normal" behavior.

Euthenasia

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

...
And to continue my post ...

Euthenasia:
- Talk with your vet about this BEFORE the time gets near. Find out if you can be with your animal during the whole procedure (finding the vein, inserting the catheter, etc.) or if they take the animal "in the back" for the process. I'd strongly encourage you to arrange to be with your cat during the process - they need your reassurance and you need to know that you didn't abandon them.

- Actually, you need to find out how they prefer to euthanize - some do direct heart injections, some gas the animal first ... find out your options.

- Make payment arrangements ahead of time - My otherwise wonderful vet has a practice of billing for the euthenasia after the fact; there's nothing worse than getting the bill a week later - brings on a whole new flood of grief. I have a standard "euthenasia" credit on my account so that this doesn't happen in the future.

- Discuss and make arrangements for the animal's body after they're gone - do you have the space/place to bury them? Want to go with a pet cemetary? Cremation? If cremation, private/individual or group? Can they/do they offer freezer storage facilities until you've found a place to bury the remains?

For now:
- Take photos and make lots of memories.
- Keep Q-Tip warm and clean and surround him with familiar things.
- Offer treats to stimulate his appetite - there's something called "Feline Rebound" that might help him keep up his weight. Also, baby food and Whiska's "Pate" tends to be loved by lots of ailing cats.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

My otherwise wonderful vet has a practice of billing for the euthenasia after the fact

They did that with Margot but I was grateful 'cause right when she passed I was in mood whatsover to talk to anyone about anything.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

Darn - I'm having computer issues, apparently.

Anyway, please know that you're not alone - it's horrible to have to watch a beloved companion as they slip away and the fear of knowing/ not knowing when to let them go is hell.

The one thing that I do know is that Q-Tip will let you know when he's ready to die. That sounds weird, but it's true - all of my animals have found ways to let me know - their eyes lost their sparkle - it's like their soul has already left their body. Be with Q-Tip and surround him with love and pay attention to him - and you will know the right decision when the time comes.

If you ever want to talk or vent, just drop me an email -

Laura and the Critters
Hedgehogs: Miss Molly D; Miss Emma Rose; Miss Wren Robin; Miss Penny; Missy Prissy; Mister Ollie; Miss Fiona; Little Mister Mogget
Rabbits: Toby Bunny; Annie Girl; Opal the Menace; Wee Little Willie Boy
Cats: Mr. Aristotle; Ella-Bella
And various assorted small animals and fosters

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

My otherwise wonderful vet has a practice of billing for the euthenasia after the fact

They did that with Margot but I was grateful 'cause right when she passed I was in mood whatsover to talk to anyone about anything.

Yep, I can certainly understand that - I think it's a no-win situation, as they don't want to be pestering you about the money at that moment (and it's not what you want to be thinking about) and yet they still need to charge for their services. Anyway, that's why I've made arrangements for the payment to just sit on my account (of course, I'm at my vet's at least twice a week with all of the critters and so we've a rather unique set-up).

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

Laura, you have a hedgehog colony of Potteresque nomenclature.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks :)

(Er, I'm assuming that the "Potteresque" is in reference to Beatrix and not Harry.)

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

how do i know if my cat is in pain?

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

how do i know if my cat is in pain?

Besides the obvious behavior of crying out/making "I'm hurting" noises, when moving or still or when you touch them, additional signs of pain include:

- Marked decrease in appetite and/or thirst
- Little or no interest in favorite foods, toys, playtime, etc.
- General lethargy and dis-interest in surroundings
- Abnormal grumpy/snappy behavior (clawing you when you pet them, fighting with other animals that they normally get along with, etc.)
- Changes in sleeping (sleeping a lot more or a lot less)
- Changes in sleeping location/position
- Not staying still for long/restlessness/inability to find a comfortable resting position
- Changes in how the cat moves around (stiff, tentative, etc.)
- Glazed-over eyes
- Changes in litterbox habits (not making it to the box, not even trying to make it to the box, etc.)
- Decrease in self-grooming behaviors
- Change in urine/feces such as amount, consistency, odor, color, etc.
- Changes in appearance such as matted or dull fur, fur loss, weight loss, etc.

Talk with your vet/take your cat in for an assessment - sometimes we human caretakers are too emotionally close and can't see when our pets are in pain ... and, sometimes, we think that they're miserable or ill or in pain and there's nothing wrong with them.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

It should be said that a lot of the items on Laura's list are general symptoms of aging in cats -- take them all together or a bunch of them in combination with a known illness (like a tumor) and I agree that you have a suffering cat, but random folks with old kitties who read this thread shouldn't assume that their cats are in terrible shape simply because they're 17, skinny, and don't play as much anymore. Giving up grooming and the litter box completely are strong indicators in themselves, though.

Sadly, purring is not an indicator of comfort in cats -- cats will purr to calm themselves down when they're suffering.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 06:43 (nineteen years ago)

I can't make it through this thread without crying uncontrollably, so I'm no help unfortunately. So sorry for everyone and their pets.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

sorry shorty. :(

Thanks Laura (and hi!) that's exactly the type of info I was hoping someone could share.

The vet's already recommended predinsone but we were kind of waiting for him to start being more uncomfortable though. I might take him in next week and request that because his face is becoming more and more swollen. I hate giving him pills though (b/c he hates it) hopefully there will be another way to administer it. Haven't heard of the debulking but will ask the Dr. about it.

The past couple of days he's been doing this weird thing of hissing for no apparant reason or shaking his head with an irritated meow. I think it's the tumor bothering him. He still wants to be fed but walks away without eating much which worries me. Meanwhile I'm not sleeping for shit b/c the slightest noise and I'm bolt upright, worried something's wrong with him.

I'll keep in mind the stuff about euthensia. Haven't done that before but I did have my last kitty cremated when she passed.

. . .and a soda on the side (Molly Jones), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry to hear this Molly.

We're sort of in limbo ourselves waiting to hear about our cat Corduroy who is about the same age as your cat (14 1/2) and just had a mass of tissue removed from his stomach that was probably a tumour. He's been at the vets' since Sunday and is apparently doing quite well but if it is a lymphoma (as they suspect) he probably won't last more than a few months. We're just waiting for the results of the biopsy now.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 19 October 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

:( sorry to hear that.

I'm home today b/c I haven't slept much lately and Q-tip seems to be getting wrose. Going to try and get him in this Sat.

I'm starting to think he may not make it to xmas. :(

. . .and a soda on the side (Molly Jones), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
argh, after a couple of good weeks things starting to look not so good. He's not eating as well, still shows interest but then doesn't much. this is making it hard to give him the steriods as I will not fight him to put it down his throat.

The left side of his face is extrememly swollen with that eye nearly completely shut and a permanent black stain of discharge down his face. Bloody drool is constant and last night he started to bleed from his nose. My boyfriend told me it might be time but I said he was wrong b/c QTip was still eating and not acting strange towards us.

In the middle of the night I went to the rest room and found him sleeping on the bathmat, strange(he usually won't even walk on rugs/carpets). Picked him and sat with him in my room but he definitely seemed uncomformtable and didn't purr like he usually does when I hold him. :(

Sam rides the beat like a bicycle (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

It's hard to know when cats are in pain but the strange behavior and failure to purr don't bode well, Sam. Poor beast. As always, you have my sympathies.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

So sad, I hate this. One of my mums wee dogs has been having fits and losing weight since September, my mum has spent hundreds so far on blood tests, urine tests and prescription dog food trying to find out what's ailing her.

Eventually she was taken in for a scan (she was gone all day which caused mums other dog to stop eating and pine all day) and the results don't look good.

The vet says there is no healthy tissue left and there looks as if there may be tumours in there too.

She's now on a low fat low protein diet consisting mostly of white foods - which excited her at first but now the novelty has worn off.

I'm constantly googling trying to find new suitable foods, miracle cures. The vet says the liver may start to heal with the proper care, but there's always the worry of what these shadows are.

Good luck to all other sick pet owners, it's a difficult thing to cope with.

Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

That's so sad Molly :(

Our cat isn't too happy about taking steroids etc either, it takes us both to give him them, my wife holds him and I drop the pills down his throat and squirt a bit of water in his mouth to make him swallow, it's not fun but we give him treats straight after and he soon gets over it. We've just ordered some beef & chicken flavour capsules you can put the pills in to make them more palatable. I dunno if that will help because Corduroy is pretty wise to our tricks, he can suss straight away if something has medicine in it.

We've just started him on chemo, after much to-ing and fro-ing, he had a life expectancy of 1-2 months if we didn't do it, so we thought it was worth a shot, as he isn't doing too badly at the moment really. The steroids & chemo are helping a lot, he was painfully thin from all the diarrhoea and vomiting but now he's putting weight back on, the diarrhoea has gone and he's only sick every couple of days. Still he has an aggressive T cell lymphoma which means even with chemo he only has a life expectancy of 6-9 months. We're just holding out for the slight chance he'll go into remission.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

they make these things called "pill pockets" which are like little treats you can stick the pill in. our cat loves them and gets pilled twice a day now; he just gobbles them up. they're a godsend.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

i doubt qtip would eat those, he's too smart for pill tricks.

It probably doesn't matter anyway b/c I don't think he has much longer.

Sam rides the beat like a bicycle (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Let me know if you need anything for you or Qtip.

patita (patita), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Sam, I'm so sorry.

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

Oh,Sam, I am so saddened to read this. I was thinking about reviving this thread to ask how Q-TP was doing and now you've gone and let us all know. Your heart must be aching right now.

In reading about your little man's blood loss, I find myself wondering if you might need to be supplementing his food with something high in iron to keep Q-Tip from getting anemic. Ask you vet about this as I know that there are some cat foods specifically formulated for anemia - you might also want to look at the Gerber 2nd Stage baby foods, meat - look at the beef option.

I don't know if this'll help or not, but below is an article about some of the factors to consider when making the decision about when "it's time" to help your pet make that final trip.

My little Emma Rose'll be going in for her final vet visit next week, I fear - her time's come and I know that rationally: it's convincing my heart that it's okay to let her go that I'm struggling with.

Please know, Sam, that you and Q-Tip are in my thoughts and that you're both surrounded with warm, loving energies. Laura

The Article:

Quality of Life Scale Helps Make Final Call
There is a real need for assessing various levels of quality of life for aging, ailing and terminally ill pets.
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By Alice Villalobos, DVM
For Veterinary Practice News

There is a real need for assessing various levels of quality of life for aging, ailing and terminally ill pets.

Most geriatric animals have one or more abnormal conditions that appear in their senior years and these conditions generally worsen with time. One third of senior pets are obese. Additionally, half of our nation’s companion animals over the age of 10 become burdened with cancer and its related treatment issues.

Veterinarians are frequently asked, “When is the right time to euthanize my beloved pet? How will I know?”

A quality of life scale may help everyone, especially those in denial, to look at difficult-to-face issues. Caretakers can use this itemized scale to ask themselves if they are able to provide enough help to maintain an ailing pet in a humane way.

Every animal has certain needs that should be recognized and respected.

If we can meet these basic needs at a satisfactory level for our ailing companion animals, then we are justified in preserving the life of the ill pet during its decline.

The goal in setting up the Quality of Life Scale is to provide a guideline so that pet owners can maintain a rewarding relationship that nurtures the human-animal bond.

This scale alleviates owners’ feelings of guilt and engenders the support of the veterinary team to actively help in the care and decision making for end-of-life, or “pawspice,” patients.

It is up to the veterinary profession and to the pet’s caretaker to design an end-of-life pet hospice program that encounters each factor and deals with it openly and honestly. We canuse a quality of life scale from one to 10. Ten is the best.

This list, called “HHHHHMM,” stands for: hurt, hunger, hydration, hygiene, happiness, mobility and more good days than bad days. A score above five on most of these issues is acceptable in maintaining an end-of-life program. Each pet’s situation needs an individual, kind and supportive approach.

The HHHHHMM Scale

Hurt: 1-10
Adequate pain control is first and foremost on the scale. This includes the pet’s ability to breathe properly. Most people do not realize that not being able to breathe is ranked at the top of the pain scale.

Some families are willing to provide oxygen therapy at home for their ailing pets and the veterinarian can prescribe it through a medical supply house. Pain control may include oral, transdermal and injectable medications.

Hunger: 1-10
If a pet is not receiving adequate nutrition willingly, by hand or force feeding, then consider placing a feeding tube especially for cats.

Malnutrition develops quickly in sick animals when the caretaker is not educated. Instruct owners to use blended or liquid diets to help their best friend maintain proper nutritional and caloric intake.

Hydration: 1-10
Subcutaneous fluids are a wonderful way to supplement the fluid intake of ailing pets. It may take a few sessions for a pet owner to get the hang of this helpful procedure.

Hygiene: 1-10
Can the pet be kept brushed and cleaned? Is the coat matted? Is the pet situated properly so that it won’t have to lie in its own waste after eliminations? Pets, especially cats with oral cancer, can’t keep themselves clean, so they get demoralized quickly.

The odor associated with necrotic oral tumors can be offensive and cause social rejection by family members. Antibiotics help reduce foul-smelling infections and using a sponge dampened with a very dilute solution of lemon juice and hydrogen peroxide (to mimic the gentle stroking action of a “mother tongue” on the face, paws and legs) helps soothe and clean cats’ fur. Dogs enjoy this, too.

Happiness: 1-10
Is the pet able to experience any joy or mental stimulation? It is easy to see that our pets communicate with their eyes. They know what is going on.

Is the ailing pet willing to interact with the family and be responsive to things going on around him? Is the aging cat able to purr and enjoy being on the bed or in one’s lap? Is there a response to a bit of catnip? Can the cat bat at toys or look at and follow a laser light?

Can the ailing pet enjoy the upbeat greetings and petting of loving family members? Can the pet’s bed be moved close to the family’s activities and not left in an isolated or neglected area? Is the pet depressed, lonely, anxious, bored or afraid?

Mobility: 1-10
Ask if the pet is able to move around on its own or with help in order to satisfy its desires. Does the pet feel like going out for a walk? Is the pet showing central nervous system problems, seizures or stumbling?

Can the pet be taken outdoors or helped into the litter box to eliminate with assistance? Will a harness, sling or a cart be helpful? Is medication helping?

The answer to the mobility question has variable scenarios. I have met some utilitarian pet owners who are too rigid in the mobility area.

For instance, they regretfully but willingly sacrifice their pet’s life rather than elect amputation of a limb. Some pet owners have the honest yet teleological feeling that amputation is mutilation and not fair to the pet. Instead, they allow the pet to bear a painful limb for months before euthanasia.

Then there are cases like Krash, a 12-year-old, male, 90-pound, golden retriever, in Orange County, Calif.

Krash’s mobility was already borderline when he entered our pawspice program with osteosarcoma of his left distal radius. His history precluded amputation because of severe degenerative joint disease, degenerative myelitis, (some dogs have had previous bilateral knee surgery) and hip dysplasia. Krash wears a splint to offset a pathological fracture.

The mobility scale can be variable from 1 to 10. The need for mobility seems dependent on the species and breed. Cats and small lap dogs can and do enjoy life with much less mobility than large and giant-breed dogs.

If the pet is compromised and is only able to lie in bed, is there a schedule to change the position of the pet and rotate the body as often as every two hours?

Atelectasis and decubital ulcers must be avoided. The nursing care of large immobile dogs is very demanding.

Is the bedding material soft enough? Can an egg crate mattress be used and set up properly to avoid decubital ulcers? Is there a role for a pet mobility cart or an Evans standing cart?

These items really make a difference in the quality of life for the pet that has limited mobility yet is alert and responsive.

More Good Days Than Bad: 1-10
When there are too many bad days in a row or if the pet seems to be “turned off” to life, quality of life is compromised.

Bad days are filled with undesirable experiences such as vomiting, nausea, diarrhea, frustration, seizures, etc. Bad days could be from profound weakness caused by anemia or from the discomfort caused by an obstruction or a large, inoperable tumor in the abdomen.

This was the situation with my own dear Australian shepherd, Alfie, who had a huge undifferentiated mass rapidly overtake his liver.

If the two-way exchange needed to communicate and maintain a healthy human-animal bond is just not there, the pet owner must be gently told that the end may be near.

It is very difficult for families to make the final decision to end a beloved pet’s life with euthanasia. This is usually avoided when euthanasia is against the pet owner’s religious beliefs.

A decision to euthanize can be made more clear to clients if the standard scale for quality of life is set ahead of time and re-evaluated every couple of weeks or every few days as required.

If the pet is slowly passing on with a peaceful tranquility, it may be a satisfactory situation. People often want their pet to pass on naturally at home in their arms or in their own bed. That is OK as long as the pet is just weakening steadily and not suffering to death.

Home euthanasia with a kindly house call veterinarian may be elected.

Hopefully, the concept of a scale for quality of life and our professional guidance can help relieve the angst and regret about a beloved pet’s death.

Alice Villalobos, DVM, owns Animal Oncology Consultation Service in Woodland Hills, Calif. She received the 1999 Bustad Companion Animal Veterinarian Award and is associated with VCA Clarmar and Coast animal hospitals in Torrance and Hermosa Beach, Calif.

This article first appeared in the September 2004 issue of Veterinary Practice News.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for the good wishes all and Ms. Laura especially for that article.

What is the story with your Emma?

I went home from work early yesterday and stayed home this morning to be with Q-Tip. He seems better. He was more responsive last night and ate some of his medicine-food this morning. I bought him all kinds of different wet foods last night (and some baby food) and am just going to keep trying everything to see what he likes most. Tonight I'm also going to set up some sort of system with G. so I can monitor exactly how much he's eating.

re: blood - it's more blood-tinged mucus and salvia. he's sneezing more now and I figure the tumor is either compressing/irritating his nasal passage or might have caused a respiratory infection. Do you think it's safe/worth it to crush up vitamins for him?

His bad days aren't outnumbering his good so far so that gives me hope. I just don't want to blind myself to reality if he starts turning bad. And those bad days usually leave me numb with depression.

I think I'm going to take some vacation days here soon so I can just chill with him.

Sam rides the beat like a bicycle (Molly Jones), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

(and some baby food)

This is what I use to bribe my cat to behave while I hydrate him.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Does anybody knoe if Milk Thistle extract would help with liver repair in dogs?

Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Thursday, 16 November 2006 07:29 (nineteen years ago)

I can't make it through this thread without crying uncontrollably, so I'm no help unfortunately. So sorry for everyone and their pets.

god, ditto. :-(

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 16 November 2006 08:33 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
I just made the appointment to put our cat Corduroy to sleep ;_;

He has an agressive lymphoma and his stomach. He'd been on chemo for a couple of months but to no effect, and this week has gone drastically downhill. He's been vomiting a lot and the last couple of days has lost control of his bowels as well, which isn't pleasant as I'm sure you can imagine.

I was really hoping he'd survive to see his 15th birthday, stupid really as what do cats know about birthdays. At least the vet's coming out to our flat to do it so we don't have to put him through going to the vet.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 19 January 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

My condolences, Colonel. I know how much this sucks.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 19 January 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

:( I'm very sorry.

This is not an easy thing to endure but is a sad fact of life for those who love and take good care of pets.

Give him lots of love in the meantime and know you've given him a good life.

Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 19 January 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

sorry colonel poo. My cat has the same condition! diagnosed after a thousand dollar endoscopy. luckily he's responded well to prednisone and lukeran pills for the past year; but he also has hyperthyroid and can't take meds for that because it did something to his bone marrow. so, two eventually lethal conditions in this 12 year old....he's plugging away but he's not really gaining any weight. at some point I'll be in the same position as you. No fun.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Colonel, best wishes for you and Corduroy that he'll go easily and never know what's going on.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Cord's been on prednisone, zantac, periactin & arsenicum album daily. He was getting vincristine & something else (name escapes me) weekly, but that wasn't working, so they switched him to lukeran last week, but nothing has worked. He was only diagnosed in October. It's all been quite sudden, he had a full senior medical profile in July and had great results all across the board, they said he'd live at least another few years, that he was in great condition, then a few months later he started puking.

All the medication was making him eat, but he never put on weight, every time we took him in for chemo shots he'd lost weight.

He's part siamese, which is probably what doomed him - this type of cancer is much more prevalent in siamese cats compared to other breeds.

Thanks for the kind words, this is hitting me quite hard, even though he's only been my cat for a few years.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

argh this has made me cry. :(

Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

I'm so sorry, Colonel. It's heartbreaking, I know.

(I shouldn't have clicked in this thread at all really, as I'm all tearful again now. My cat Pepsi died yesterday at the vet's and I'm missing him very much)

I know it's no consolation, but you have done everything you can for Cord. He'll be at peace now, and you'll always have your memories of him to look back on fondly.

C J (C J), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Poor Pepsi.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry CJ!

Losing your pet is definitely the worst part of loving them. I tell myself the pain is worth all the good you get out of their lives but it's hard. I still miss QTip terribly and it's been over a month since he passed. the new kitty is nice but it will take time for us to bond.

Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

Argh I'm all tearful too and I'm at work. Keep having to sneak out to the bathroom.

I don't know how we're going to get through tomorrow. Oh yeah, whisky, that was it.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Best to you, you poor Colonel! And CJ!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 20 January 2007 05:24 (nineteen years ago)

The vet came about 2 hours ago and put Corduroy to sleep. It was all over very quickly. We made the right decision but the place seems very empty now.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

RIP, Corduroy.

My sympathies, Colonel.

M. White (Miguelito), Saturday, 20 January 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

oh phil dag

mookieproof, Monday, 18 July 2011 01:33 (fourteen years ago)

the last time I saw my cat (a week before last Saturday) there was blood in her urine (probably due to her failing kidneys) and she was bleeding a little from her mouth because the bone tumor on her jaw had created an abscess. I debated taking her to the emergency clinic, but my dad (who she lived with) convinced me it wasn't urgent, and I decided to let her rest until her regular vet returned on Monday. I gave her subcutaneous fluids and painkillers and hoped for the best, but by Sunday night her face wound had turned black and septic; she was messing uncontrollably and was generally in agony. my dad brought her to the vet to be euthanized on Monday morning. I wasn't around to comfort her at the end and didn't even hear about it for hours afterward. the timing was probably right, but I'll always regret not being there til the end and not being able to spare her those last few hours of suffering.

why delonge face? (unregistered), Monday, 18 July 2011 01:52 (fourteen years ago)

I feel especially selfish because part of the reason I didn't take her to the clinic was that I was feeling somewhat sick and tired myself. in retrospect I see how selfish I was to neglect a deathly-ill cat just because I had a little cold. and I spent Sunday night opening birthday presents and going out to dinner, not knowing that Tiger was in huge distress and had less than a day to live. maybe I'll feel less guilty in time (it helps to know that my dad sat up with her all night & tried to keep her comfortable) but for now it's pretty hard to bear.

why delonge face? (unregistered), Monday, 18 July 2011 02:01 (fourteen years ago)

After a very sleepless night, in which they both suffered a great deal more agitation and pain than I would like to have seen, we were able to get them both to take a little food and water this morning. It seemed to help them a little, but they were still both clearly in pain. My sister, and my mother's boyfriend, came over to go to the vet with us for support. The staff there was extremely compassionate and helpful. We got a little room in which we let them out of their carriers, and they both peaked in terms of agitation -- they were in an unfamiliar place and wanted out, out, out. The doctor came in and talked through everything with us, and then administered a sedative to each cat. They calmed down instantly, and became so quiet and still. I cried as if I were an infant again, but I knew that, for the first time in MONTHS, they were not in any pain at all. No hunger, no unquenchable thirst, no obstructed or inflamed bowel, no vomiting, no subcutaneous fluid needle, no nothing. They were relaxed and peaceful, and my wife and I held them and stroked them and told them how much we loved them and how glad we were for so many years with them.

Because the injection must be administered by a vet and not a tech, we had to do them consecutively. Marble went first. We both held her close and told her it was OK for her to go and be at rest. She never even flinched when he put the needle in, and she passed so, so quietly. I thanked her for being such a good girl for so long. I know her suffering is finally over. She gave it one hell of a fight, and I like to think we bought her at least an extra year with all the hyperthyroid meds and kidney treatments.

Afterwards, we hugged Chestnut and again told her how much we loved her. We both told her how sorry we were that it came to this so quickly, but that we couldn't make her suffer through painful chemo treatments that might only buy her a few more weeks. (As it was her pain was near-constant last night. We were able to feed and water her some on Sunday but it all came back up eventually, mixed with and smelling of fecal matter.) We laid her down next to Marble, and as the doctor administered the IV, she sought out my wife's eyes. The only thing I can describe is that she looked fulfilled. She was with her Mommy, and she had finally stopped hurting, and she just looked so glad and relieved. My wife held her head as she passed.

We spent a little more time holding them afterwards, then we put them back in their carriers. These were beloved companions, not to be just left on a rug on the floor. We provided each of them with a loving token to be cremated with them. For Marble, it was a stuffed "Pound Kitty" that she's had since she was a baby. She used to wrestle with it when she was a kitten, wrapping her arms around it and biting it; and as she grew up, she treated it like her own baby, carrying it around by the scruff of its neck, bathing it and meowing to it. We'd often hear her off somewhere in the house howling, and then she'd walk in carrying that little stuffed animal in her mouth. For Chestnut, we sent her favorite blanket, which was actually my wife's blanket from when she was a baby. It was much the worse for wear, with the flower pattern worn off and holes everywhere, but Chestnut just loved it. And when she was sick on it or it got dirty, we'd wash it and she would get SO excited when it came back from the laundry smelling of fabric softener. As we spread it on the bed, she'd jump down and roll all over it.

Goodbye, girls. You gave us many, many years of joy and memories, and although I'm heartbroken, I'm relieved that you aren't in pain anymore.

BIG HOOBA aka the stankdriver (Phil D.), Monday, 18 July 2011 18:13 (fourteen years ago)

Condolences, Phil. Losing two at once is hard going.

Josef K-Doe (WmC), Monday, 18 July 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)

I know it's going to be difficult during the next days (and weeks...) Phil, but cherish the happy times you had with the kitties over the years, and try not to think of bad stuff at the end..

Night Nurse with Wound (Jack Battery-Pack), Monday, 18 July 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)

two months pass...

My cat had been ill for quite some time, but in a managed way. Last night, fairly out of the blue, she took a rapid turn for the worse. I came home and she didnt come running to the door, I found her curled up miserable on the couch, she wouldnt eat, barely had some water. Over the next few hours as I wrapped her in a blanket and held her she became quite unresponsive and twitchy. Eventually I got a friend on the phone who came and drove us to the late night vet hospital where they confirmed the worst: she'd gone into shock and letting her go to sleep was the best thing we could do.

I'd been preparing for it for ages, but I still didn't handle it at all well. It all happened so fast. At least we got to wrap her up and cuddle her for a few hours and I think she was aware enough to know she was loved to the last.

The kick in the guts was last nights grocery delivery which had contained a large bag of litter and a supply of food :(

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 22:42 (fourteen years ago)

Awww. My condolences, Trayce.

What does one wear to a summery execution? Linen? (Michael White), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 22:54 (fourteen years ago)

awww im sorry trayce. it is so sad when cats get sick. my condolences!

69, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 22:55 (fourteen years ago)

Thanks guys. I feel embarrased that I am so inconsolable but she's been my companion for almost 14 years. Is drinking at 9am a bad idea given?

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 22:58 (fourteen years ago)

sorry trayce<3

estela, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 23:54 (fourteen years ago)

sorry Trayce, that hurts

the tune is space, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 00:02 (fourteen years ago)

poor yampy :( i'm sorry, trayce

royal ballache (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 00:18 (fourteen years ago)

<3 <3 <3 trayce

markers, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 00:41 (fourteen years ago)

Just went through the same thing. It's not easy, but take some small comfort in the fact that you did what was best.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 00:50 (fourteen years ago)

Condolences, Trayce.

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 01:15 (fourteen years ago)

aw trayce when I saw this thread bumped I knew... so sorry for your loss. my condolences.

Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 01:23 (fourteen years ago)

I'm glad we were with her as she was fading away, and I honestly think she hung on til I got home for the comfort, cause she basically fell to bits within half an hour of me getting home.

I feel so horrible and empty.

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 01:24 (fourteen years ago)

I'm sorry, Trayce.

tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 01:45 (fourteen years ago)

oh trayce, i'm so sorry to hear this :( let yourself feel whatever you feel - this is a hard time. hugs.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 02:45 (fourteen years ago)

Trayce — reading the news made me so sad. Yampy is one of the only cats whose name I knew without ever actually seeing her, which probably shows how special she was. Hugs to you.

corey, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 02:48 (fourteen years ago)

so sorry trayce...

Joe Romeo, Concerned New Yorker (stevie), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 03:00 (fourteen years ago)

Thank you everyone, thats very kind of you. I hope the strange empty feeling in my house eases up eventually.

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 23:32 (fourteen years ago)

my 19 year old seems to be on his very slow way out now, after a long struggle with thyroid problems, and its breaking my heart. i'm pretty sure the only way i'll be able to deal with it is by getting another one as soon as i possibly can.

Joe Romeo, Concerned New Yorker (stevie), Thursday, 22 September 2011 10:32 (fourteen years ago)

i thought on that today too, and right now I dont think I could do so. Yampy had such a peculiar zen personality - very quiet and non-meowy and passive - I cant imagine another cat being like she was :(

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Thursday, 22 September 2011 10:34 (fourteen years ago)

God, I'm sorry Trayce.

smelly's wife (rustic italian flatbread), Thursday, 22 September 2011 10:47 (fourteen years ago)

I'm 40 and I've never had to deal with the death of anyone/thing before (not directly - hearing of acquaintances passing is all), this was the whole bag: she died in my arms basically, I watched her final breath. It has really changed me, I feel like I have taken too many things too cavalierly and not appreciated them :( I was unkind to my kitty at times: she could be a right bitch, breaking things, getting in the way. I yelled at her at times. But I loved her so much.

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Thursday, 22 September 2011 10:50 (fourteen years ago)

I have had to put two cats down - held them in my arms while the vet euthanized them - and it's brutally hard. I feel for you Trayce. Remember the good times, too, though.

What does one wear to a summery execution? Linen? (Michael White), Thursday, 22 September 2011 14:27 (fourteen years ago)

My sincerest condolences, Trayce -- as you've seen upthread, I had to have two of our cats, ages 20 and 16, euthanized the same day just two months ago, and there are still days where I'm overcome by grief. If you need anyone to talk to about it, feel free to contact me by ILX mail and I can give you my regular email address.

Woolen Scjarfs (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 September 2011 14:32 (fourteen years ago)

Thanks Phil, it broke my heart when you posted your experience back in July cos I knew that was approaching for me also.

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:24 (fourteen years ago)

:( Really sorry, Trayce.

remy bean, Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:26 (fourteen years ago)

unbeknownst to me, my 19 year old passed away four days before i typed the above, while i was away... a friend took care of him, and he died in her arms as she walked him to the vets.

Joe Romeo, Concerned New Yorker (stevie), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 15:43 (fourteen years ago)

:( I am so sorry . . .

Woolen Scjarfs (Phil D.), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)

Condolences, stevie

What does one wear to a summery execution? Linen? (Michael White), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 15:50 (fourteen years ago)

thanks phil and michael. i'm really sad, but also glad he didn't really suffer at all, which i'd been dreading. wish i'd been with him when it happened though.

Joe Romeo, Concerned New Yorker (stevie), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)

Aw, Stevie I saw your fb pics. I'm so sorry for you and S. That's really sad. I'm glad he was with a trusted friend.

will eat pudding (ENBB), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 20:23 (fourteen years ago)

thanks e. he totally was. and he didn't suffer, and i was so worried that we were keeping him going beyond his own comfort the last couple of weeks, as happy as he seemed. breaks my heart that i wasn't there when it happened, but i know he wasn't alone, and now he's at peace...

Joe Romeo, Concerned New Yorker (stevie), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 10:04 (fourteen years ago)

i didn't even cry when we found out, at the airport, because it was a strage relief. then we got home and i found his little catnip sheep toy on the bed...

Joe Romeo, Concerned New Yorker (stevie), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 10:05 (fourteen years ago)

<3 and condolences to Phil and Trayce and Stevie. My feline companion of 15 years is slowing down at a faster and faster rate. I'm reallyh grateful that you have all shared your experiences; it is somehow comforting to me.

quincie, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 18:38 (fourteen years ago)

eight years pass...

RIP my beautiful cat and best friend of almost 18 years. I’m glad I got to hold you as you went but I’m going to miss you forever. Somehow when I got home I was half expecting you to be there waiting for me.

epistantophus, Monday, 9 December 2019 01:11 (six years ago)

The initial absence can be a horribly difficult period of adjustment. I was breaking down multiple times last year when my dog of 14 years went, and still do tbh.

calzino, Monday, 9 December 2019 01:14 (six years ago)

My condolences. Know how it goes.

Tales of Jazz Ulysses (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 December 2019 01:20 (six years ago)

oh, I'm so sorry. Coming in that front door still expecting to see and hear them is a real heartbreak and it doesn't go away right away. Likewise, thinking that's them in your peripheral vision but it's just a shadow or pillow.

mick signals, Monday, 9 December 2019 04:26 (six years ago)

our two dogs died within 10 days of each other in march. my coping mechanism was adopting two more dogs the day after the second one passed.

peloton for the painfully alone (m bison), Monday, 9 December 2019 04:28 (six years ago)

I went through the exact same thing as epistantophus exactly three years ago and still feel it in various ways even though (maybe especially because?) we have had two new cats for the past year and change. In a way it’s more challenging to deal with at the stage because the feelings are not quite as strong but more confusing, if that makes any sense.

Tales of Jazz Ulysses (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 December 2019 11:17 (six years ago)

at this stage

Tales of Jazz Ulysses (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 December 2019 11:32 (six years ago)

not to say that it isn’t super painful immediately afterwards of course

Tales of Jazz Ulysses (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 December 2019 11:33 (six years ago)

three months pass...

Dont know if she was terminally ill but I couldnt find another thread.

We have two jack russell dogs, sisters. The vet told us last week that one of them might develop cancer. Over the next few days she was constantly out of breath and unable to walk for long. I hoped she might get better but yesterday, while I was away, my dad phoned me to tell me that she had to be put to sleep.

I haven't heard of this before but the vet encouraged dad to take her body and lay it down for her sister to see for a while (Dad said she did seem worried about her sister before, but who knows?) before he buried her. Apparently this is good for dogs to confirm what has happened. I don't know how I would have dealt if I had saw this.

All this hit me much harder than I thought it would. I kept crying thinking about how she looked, the way she moved; she was 12 but still looked kind of like a baby but with a slight frailness, she had a very expressive face. Other dog walkers were always surprised by how old the sisters were.
Was worried how her sister would take it all and thinking about all the things I wouldn't see her do anymore. Wondering if my dad and sister have enough photos of her.

When I returned home today it wasn't long before I was walking the remaining sister and crying out fairly loud. I hope she sticks around a while longer.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 21 March 2020 00:22 (six years ago)

I’m so sorry.

epistantophus, Saturday, 21 March 2020 00:41 (six years ago)

so sorry for your loss, RAG.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Saturday, 21 March 2020 11:33 (six years ago)


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