Top Chef: Season 2

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It's like Project Runway, but with food. Or something.

Is Padma Lakshmi playing the part of Heidi or Tim Gunn?

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

Heidi.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

I started this thread a while back but didn't get much preseason banter going. I know I'm stoked for tonight! Yes, she's the Heidi. Top Chef is structured slightly differently - the Tim Gunn figure is also one of the judges. This has the plus of, he can call people out on changing their story between the kitchen and the judging table, but it also somewhat sabotages the relationship with the chefs - you don't get that fatherly Tim Gunn with nothing at stake who loves everyone and is sorry to see them go.

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Also. he is considerably less likeable than Tim Gunn, but who isn't.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

As I said in the other thread, this show has the fundamental problem that you can't taste the food. We can see the clothes in Project.

With the food, you just have to take the judge's word. What fun is that? Still I'll probably watch it.

Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

first impressions:
avant-garde bro is a complete douche
bulimic girl's solution worked wonders
they forgot to introduce the black guy, I think

milo z (mlp), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

Ilan and Sam are both really, really hot.


The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 19 October 2006 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

I am already hooked, although it seems like a lot of similar character types to season one. I am very entertained by Michael, who based on the evidence provided so far seems to have been a chef at an Applebee's-type place in Lodi, CA, which is the middle of fucking nowhere.

Harold makes an awesome, formidable judge! They should make him a permanent addition.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:26 (nineteen years ago)

Thank god they got rid of Mrs. Joel.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Padma is a much "better" host, but there will be a lot fewer unintentional humor moments with her in charge. Also: GAIL SIMMONS MARRY ME, I will teach you the ways of vegetarian cooking and sweet sweet love.

I am very much in favor of Elia Aboumrad, her name has both "boom" and "rad" in it. Plus: foxy.

DAMM IT IS COLD SHOWER TIME FOR ME

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

I LOVE Harold as judge, he's so gawky and awkward, hence lovable, but also clearly knows his stuff and dishes out both harshness and support convincingly.

Things definitely seemed to blur by in this episode for me, but of course episode 1s always have a lot of ground to cover. Didn't get too much of a bead on anybody, although the one dude with the Wolverine hair seems to be trying WAY too hard to be this season's Stephen.

Thought the victory seemed well-earned - I LOVED the presentation of that dish, the dense packing of textures that feel very much part of a whole. No spilling out all over the plate for that guy. I also like the "mystery crate" challenge, although it really amounts to just a normal weird-ingredient challenge. Having never had frog legs or chicken livers I was ill-equipped to really imagine any of the food, sadly. The flambe dishes, especially the shrimp ones, were definitely mouthwatering - bullshit that we didn't get to see them all!

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

I am very much in favor of Elia Aboumrad, her name has both "boom" and "rad" in it. Plus: foxy.

Yes.

milo z (mlp), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

Otto really fell onto that sword...um, knife. Lycheegate needs to be examined.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
If Marcel gets booted in the next competition, this will be the best reality competition ever.

milo z (mlp), Sunday, 14 January 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

Why does he have a "wolverine" hairdo? Why? He needs to go just because of the hairdo.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

I have to say I've been somewhat disappointed by the way the show has become entirely about Marcel and everybody picking on him. Clearly he's a punk and a nerd, and it was sort of worth it just for his rap, but really, how much of this do we need to see? More generally, I think the group dynamics have been just appalling, with everyone recognizing the formula: until it's down to the five or six actually good chefs, those talented few can afford to coast and watch the mediocre be kicked off. All attempts at suspense aside, Michael's boot last week was telegraphed a mile away - like Kayne in Project Runway, you can only keep certain people on the show so long without opening up a huge credibility gap on the "Top" premise. I'm hoping things will suddenly get a lot more interesting this coming episode, since Sam, Ilan, Elia, Marcel, and Cliff have always been the front-runners (well, at one point Betty looked like she was going somewhere, but...), and now there's no chumps to foist the boot off on. They're all going to have to actually try, so I'm stoked.

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Elia is my fave rave for three reasons. ONE: best cook overall, though probably a poor kitchen manager. TWO: not being an "OMG Marcel is the worst person in the world" bitch. THREE: foxy and funny and ethical. FOUR: not particularly taken with her own image. Okay that's four reasons.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Elia is my favorite for many of the same reasons but I can't say it out loud while I'm watching or my girlfriend will punch me. I agree with Doctor Casino...some of the decisions made in ousting certain chefs seem totally decided by the producers and little else. It's really clunky and straight out of left field when a dude wins both competitions the week before and then gets squeezed out the next. I was rooting for Michael not just for dark horse reasons but because he reminds me of real guys I've cooked with.

pj (Henry), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'm really glad the show isn't broadcast in smell-o-vision or I'd really punch the teevee trying to grab at some of that food.

pj (Henry), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

Here's another vote for Elia winning.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

i have only seen 1 ep of this season but i would vote for elia.

more grease in the pianissimo. (tehresa), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

they are all fucking assholes except for Elia. and Marcel, actually, who just seems kind of douchey and awkward.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

The only time I felt a little bad for Marcel was when they sprung the virgin thing on (semi-)national TV. (But then why did he tell any of the people who obviously hate him about his sex life?)

And the rap.

Other than that, 100% douchebag and I hope he chokes on his own foam.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

but everyone else is so obsessed with hating him that they end up looking worse than he does. especially Ilan, who I think might be in love with him.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

horseshoe OTMFM

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see that as a flaw in the rest of the cast - with the blonde woman gone, there was no one left to hate except for Marcel. Were they just supposed to just get along and ignore his doucheyness? (nb: there's no telling how much of it has been produced for the camera, too)

In a small restaurant group like a kitchen or wait-staff, there's always that one person that everyone hates, who brings it on him/herself. This time it's Marcel.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

Were they just supposed to just get along and ignore his doucheyness?

maybe just avoid him and cook and not freak out on him in public places (Sam) or talk shit about his dish while presenting one's own (Ilan)? weirdly, nobody did seem to hate Betty (the blonde woman), even though she hated Marcel like it was her job.

I really disliked Marcel at the beginning of the season, but the other contestants make him look like an angel.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

The Ilan thing was ridiculous (and he got called out for it) - but that was right after Marcel started feeding cherries and chocolate to dinner guests.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

There are fewer likeable people this season than last. Marcel is annoying, but he's also a baby. The seasoned chefs (sam, Ilan, Cliff) are also seasoned at being dicks. Thing is, that's how it is in restaurants. There are very few kitchens loaded with sensitive, gracious people. I bet even Alice Waters can be a grouchy little beyatch when a cook doesn't rinse the frisee right.

pj (Henry), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ilan is the only one left that I like.

Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

The shit that Ilan said to Marcel made it impossible for me to like him. Even if Marcel is 100x worse than the show is letting on, he reacted like an assholish, fraternity dude piece of shit.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, a big gay one!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 05:49 (nineteen years ago)

Um: OMG THIS EPISODE SO AWESOME. Skinhead Elia marry me etc.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

ultimate judicial put-downs last night:

"these greens are worthless."

and the winner:

"it tastes like...HOTEL FOOD"

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'm totally rooting for marcel despite the wolverine haircut and the petulance and the rap that made me leave the room and unnecessary foam. I like Sam fine as a character, but I've only watched occasionally and have a feeling I've missed whatever he's done to make himself unpopular here. Elia is very nice and has great taste, but kinda bores me.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

I think if Cliff was going to get kicked off for manhandling Marcel, he should have at least gotten in some pucnhes.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

The shaving incident kind of fucks up their silent New York-Hawaii transition, doesn't it - in the previews Elia has 10 weeks of hair again (too bad, Haikunym OTM)

milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

Screw this show, man.

milo z (mlp), Saturday, 27 January 2007 03:56 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't been able to watch on schedule, but I read TWOP, and I have to say that fake Wolverine making it is a big surprise.
Fake "queer eye Ted" Ilan is not a surprise.
I thought hunky Sam was going to win!
Elia was not very interesting (albeit HOT! calm down boys!).
Padma proves you can only go so far with looks and an accent. (Padma is no Elia, btw).
SO...I hate Padma. Not nearly the way I hated Ms. Joel! But what the fuck is she there for, and what are her credentials?
I love the premise, but i think we are all old enough to watch a cooking show without a hot babe being a "host".
I'm fucking sick of their little simpering lips tasting morsels - it's a FOOD show, and I want to see people who EAT in REAL LIFE!

OK! That's my rant for the day.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 27 January 2007 04:19 (nineteen years ago)

I read somewhere that Padma had a cooking show at one time. She is at least more insightful and useful than the magazine editor. Or the actual Queer Eye guy they kept bringing back.

milo z (mlp), Saturday, 27 January 2007 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

You had to see this coming for weeks. They've been building up the wolverine/Ilan conflict, the producers input had to lead to this.

Jeff. (Jeff), Saturday, 27 January 2007 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was very odd that Ilan won after he miscooked the groundroot and made throats tingle.

milo z (mlp), Saturday, 27 January 2007 06:16 (nineteen years ago)

I think it was only one or two people who had a problem with it. I think he actually won because he did cook it - nobody else really did anything all that Hawaiian, and like they said Sam didn't even cook anything. Plus the discussion they had about Sam winning more of the first challengs and Ilan winning the actual elimination ones.

I still was kind of surprised it wasn't Sam though, I sort of expected him to be set up for the win from the beginning. Ilan turned into a whiny bitch towards the end.

joygoat (joygoat), Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand the hate for Marcel, but I don't think either of these guys really deserves to win. Neither of them seem even as strong as Lee-Ann or the redhead from last season.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

Harold would wipe the floor with all of them.

daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

I think the bullshit about Sam getting kicked off for "not cooking" only makes a stronger case for the idea that this decision was all Weinstein.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Saturday, 27 January 2007 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand the hate for Marcel

People hate him because he's a big fucking cock.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Sunday, 28 January 2007 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

He seems positively angelic compared to the other folks on the show at this point, frankly.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 28 January 2007 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously does anyone at this point not think that Marcel is a less obnoxious human being than Ilan or Sam? I mean fuck yeah he's a dick, but it seems mostly to be a function of his youth and complete social awkwardness. What's those other guys' excuses?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 28 January 2007 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

Ilan's two or three years younger than Marcel.

milo z (mlp), Sunday, 28 January 2007 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

good episode

I was surprised everyone seemed to have trouble on the quickfire, seemed pretty basic to me

dmr, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

I was pretty convinced that Dale was going home. Damn you, Bravo editors.

polyphonic, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

I lolled at Hung at judge's table, so shameless

TOM: Hung, I am concerned we don't see enough of you in your food. You have technical skills but we'd like to see more soul.
PADMA: Why should each of you be Top Chef?
HUNG: Because I cook with my SOUL, I pour my HEART AND SOUL into every dish, my mom, my grandma, my grandma's grandma, my uncle's cousin's sister, my neice, my first cousin's nephew, al contribute to my HIGHLY SOULFUL COOKING.

dmr, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:35 (eighteen years ago)

i haven't seen the episode yet, but this "we don't see enough of you in your food" sounds like serious bullshit

gabbneb, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

the "Hung cooks with no soul thing" has been a reoccurring theme though, hasn’t it?
i don't really get this. they keep saying that he has technical skills. i see that what he puts out there looks nice. I’ve never heard anyone say that the food he puts out didn't taste good. does he not season aggressively enough or something?

carne asada, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

so why shouldn't he or the scriptwriter give them some back?

gabbneb, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

i think they mean he's asian, actually

gabbneb, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

Dale was the only one they seemed to like leading up to Judge's Table. I thought it was obvious he was going to win. Seemed like they basically drew straws for the other three, though.

Hung is a dipshit. "All the cowboys are just gonna want barbecue" - you're in Aspen, dumbass, they're all crazy rich ranchers.

milo z, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

Hung is like a kitchen automaton. Except for the cereal quickfire, dude basically plates up something that's technically proficient, but that appears to be about it.

What I think they're missing, though, is that Hung's soul is the technique.

milo z, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

when will somebody invent taste-o-vision?

carne asada, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:46 (eighteen years ago)

the dude is the most inventive in the group. when they say show me your soul, they're complaining about his giving them relatively straightforward dishes. never mind that that's what the challenges keep calling for.

gabbneb, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

yeah I think they suspect he is playing it safe

but when he tried to do weird stuff he got ripped for it (probably rightly so, cauliflower ice cream looked nasty)

dmr, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

Hung's stuff always kind of seems like more like it's going to be good based on science and practice rather than gut feeling or willingness to gamble on something that might be great or might suck.

joygoat, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

He's been playing it safe and they want some Marcel-esque innovation. Or Tom want him to make spring rolls and a nice bowl of Pho.

dan selzer, Thursday, 27 September 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

I would like to see Tom braise his racing cap with a nice hen-of-the-woods mushroom

gabbneb, Thursday, 27 September 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

"Soul" just means "comforting flavors", as Bourdain pointed out in his blog entry. Hung says "refined" but he means "austere", or "elevated". He is less interested in pleasing the audience, more interested in food for food's sake.

But looking at the food that Casey trots out, I don't really see a huge difference in terms of the kinds of food the two of them create. They're both purveyors of overly ornate haute cuisine, but Hung falls back on his technique as a crutch, and Casey falls back on flavor. Ultimately, the judges are almost always going to pick "delicious with mediocre technique" over "superb technique with okay flavor". That's why Dave did well in Season 1.

That said, I think that Hung is going to blow everyone away next week. I don't like Casey's chance of winning with the "soul" of her beloved pan-asian cuisine (just like her grandmother used to make!) when compared to Hung's inarguable pho cred.

As always, Dale will be around to provide amusing play-by-play for the folks at home.

polyphonic, Thursday, 27 September 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

"Soul" just means "comforting flavors", as Bourdain pointed out in his blog entry.

so it really is racist

gabbneb, Thursday, 27 September 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

Someone should have informed Colicchio that there are no elk in Texas. Or, really, any native large game. Even our deer are basically overgrown German Shepherds.

milo z, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/species/elk/

gabbneb, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

The only native Elk in Texas were in the southern part of the Guadalupe Mountains and belonged to the species Cervus merriami, which has been extinct since the early 1900s.

milo z, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

Now, five small herds of wild Elk live in Texas, in the Guadalupe Mountains, Glass Mountains, Wylie Mountains, Davis Mountains, and Eagle Mountains. Many others are kept on ranches all over the state.

gabbneb, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

I like Casey's chance of winning based on the stated desire to have a female Top Chef this season. Hung's the Omarosa of the season, not good odds for him. Flighty charismatic gay dude in third place seems like a casting choice winner, glad to see they kept that.

Wanted to make some sort of pho/faux cred joke, but.. meh.

Gavin, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

don't you mean feh?

gabbneb, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

Hung's the Omarosa of the season

low blow! he ain't that bad

dmr, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

He's as close as they come, and every reality competition needs a villain ("bitchy" often suffices, as no one really reaches Omarosa levels). Top Chef had that red-headed chick, Marcel, and now Hung. All runners-up.

Gavin, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:27 (eighteen years ago)

i don't really think of Hung as that bad of a guy. he's cocky maybe but besides that the other contestants got along with him pretty well. as for the people you mentioned above there were plenty of people that straight up hated them

carne asada, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

if this season had a villain it was Howie

dmr, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

Ah good point, though it only came out on group challenges (when it might have been a cover for his limited abilities). He didn't have the arrogance that makes a true reality TV villain you love to hate.

Gavin, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

Haha, what a cool twist having celeb chefs act as sous chefs.

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 4 October 2007 02:24 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, it seems like Casey totally bombed.

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 4 October 2007 02:53 (eighteen years ago)

I thought Dale was going to win.

dan m, Thursday, 4 October 2007 03:45 (eighteen years ago)

I did to, but Tom really hated his lobster. I mean, when you look at the whole season, Hung never really did a bad dish, just some boring and safe ones, whereas Dale really had some doozies. Once Hung said "I'm doing a classic chocolate cake to show how versatile I am" I was like "HAVEN'T YOU LEARNED ANYTHING!?!?!?"

dan selzer, Thursday, 4 October 2007 04:07 (eighteen years ago)

I thought it might have been Dale for a moment, but Hung was so much more consistent over the whole series. Dale had fits of brilliance but had a bunch of weird fuckups along the way.

The "live" segment (in quotes cause I'm on Pacific time) was funny because Casey didn't seem stressed at all - she knew she wasn't going to win and didn't have to worry about a thing.

joygoat, Thursday, 4 October 2007 06:20 (eighteen years ago)

Hung is so calculated. I guess that makes him unlikeable to some people but I just love it. Glad he won, even though Dale and Casey would have been fine choices.

polyphonic, Thursday, 4 October 2007 06:31 (eighteen years ago)

The celebrity sous chef idea was very very cool.

polyphonic, Thursday, 4 October 2007 06:32 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.tvgasm.com/shows/images/topchef/season3/hungexcited.jpg

carne asada, Thursday, 4 October 2007 12:42 (eighteen years ago)

don't have musch to add, it was a solid finale

oh how about when Hung said to Rocco, "I was reading on Anthony Bourdain's blog .... "

dmr, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)

that was a little too meta for me.

but where did AB say anything about how Hung and Rocco should have a face off? Does Rocco have impressive knife skills?

dan selzer, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

RC: I have to agree. Women’s food is, for the most part, more accessible, it’s easier to understand, it’s friendlier, it’s more comforting, and it doesn’t get bogged down in all these nutty freaking trends.
SJ: I find there’s a lot of technique in male food.

http://nymag.com/restaurants/features/39595/?ftr-promo

gabbneb, Monday, 22 October 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

Holiday Special

i'll watch this

carne asada, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

it wuz good

remy bean, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

i want to make the salted butternut pudding recipe

remy bean, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

you saw it already?

carne asada, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

i came home to find it tivoed last night?

remy bean, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

Deluxe TimeMachineTivo
i want one

carne asada, Thursday, 6 December 2007 20:07 (eighteen years ago)

tre wuz robbed again.

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 6 December 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

oh sry didnt mean to spoil it for you.

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 6 December 2007 22:09 (eighteen years ago)

Item! Top Chef finalist Dale is dating Jack from Project Runway 4.

polyphonic, Thursday, 6 December 2007 22:27 (eighteen years ago)

eew

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 6 December 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)

i don't like jack's face.

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 6 December 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)


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