Why do art school girls always have a geometrically cut black hairdo?

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...which usually comes with bangs and/or tries to imitate some twenties flapper look.

What's the deal with that?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 22 October 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

You have at last become Jerry Seinfeld.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 October 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

I was at party last night with lots of art school girls, and I couldn't help noticing this once again.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 22 October 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Who cares? That haircut rules.

― James Herbert Dip (noodle vague), Sunday, 22 October 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

yeah don't be a fag dude

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 22 October 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

I wasn't criticizing it, I was just wondering why these people are drawn to it. Has it become a signifier for certain identity/identities, just like dreadlocks signify neo-hippiedom?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 22 October 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

nazi undertones

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Sunday, 22 October 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

You're thinking of Feargal Sharkey.

― Matt (Matt), Sunday, 22 October 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

because it looks ace and they're all about things that look ace.

― stet (stet), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

IT'S ALL ABOUT STEPANOVA!!!

The original art-school chick, totally invented the style.

http://www.rosizo.ru/eng/gender/10.jpg
and yes, she designed that shirt herself.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/d/d2/180px-1920s_Rodchenko_and_Stepanova.jpg

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Tuomas, why do you only ask questions that you could either answer yourself with 1 nanosecond's thought, or which are designed to give you a little Finnish stiffy? Actually, don't answer that bit.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

omg

― martha gives letterman the 'lick' (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Your Inner European is Finnish!

Footloose and fancy free!

You are sexy, sexy man!

Who's Your Inner European?

― latebloomer: Veteran of the Mai Tai Massacre (latebloomer), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

Who's Your Inner European?

http://www.internationalposter.com/vintage_poster/bolshevikrevolution_poster_files/rul06853.gif

― martha gives letterman the 'lick' (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.readymademag.com/images/feat_18_clowes1.jpg

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Sunday, 22 October 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

god tha comic is great

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 22 October 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Not at my art school. In the class I'm about to go to there are about twenty girls, none of which have the haircut you describe.

― Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 22 October 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

are you saying that girls are getting their hair dyed black? cos not many girls, other than goths, have black hair.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 22 October 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

in europe obv.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 22 October 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

My art school experience (at UT Austin) was a lot more earthmuffin dreadlock types than gothy punk types.

― It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Sunday, 22 October 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

Alternate earthmuffin hairstyle: rennaissance faire braids.

― It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Sunday, 22 October 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.washedashore.com/events/kyoto97/r2_ravers4.jpg

― am0n (am0n), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

I don't even think that would be allowed at Gitmo. MY EYES!

― It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

his pants are a gateway into another realm

― latebloomer: Veteran of the Mai Tai Massacre (latebloomer), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

"arty" sartorial signifiers (broadly defined to include hairstyles)that have been done to death for decades almost always dud. diminishing returns and all that.

― timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

it's all about the Louise Brooks haircut. I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

louise brooks was kinda pretty

― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Monday, 23 October 2006 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

We ARE talking about the vadge, right?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 23 October 2006 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

Tuomas, why do you only ask questions that you could either answer yourself with 1 nanosecond's thought

Er, I think a lot of the questions posted on ILE are general observations rather than some Eternal Mysteries.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 October 2006 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

being a self parody might be fun for a while but i wouldn't try and make a career out of it

― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Monday, 23 October 2006 03:32 (nineteen years ago)

???

What's so self-parodic here?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 October 2006 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

i'm gonna get in trouble for saying it, but here goes:

SUZY TO THREAD! SUZY TO THREAD IMMEDIATELY!!

(call down a swarm of momuses on me right about now!)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 23 October 2006 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

You called?

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 23 October 2006 06:56 (nineteen years ago)

Blimey that was quick.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 23 October 2006 07:02 (nineteen years ago)

is that the correct collective noun?

and shouldn't it be Momae?

― beeble (beeble), Monday, 23 October 2006 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

post-ironic betty page hair do?

― Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

what's the meaning of "geometrically cut"?

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

Clear, straight lines instead of fuzziness or simple long hair.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

We all love this style, though.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

A la Louise Brooks:

http://images.google.fi/images?svnum=10&hl=fi&lr=&q=louise+brooks&btnG=Hae

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

(x-post)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Amelie had something to do with popularizing this look?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

i has been an art school look way before Amelie.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

for sure. it was crazy popular in the 90s, atleast where I'm from.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:41 (nineteen years ago)

Could part of it's popularity among art students be due to the fact that it's a "designed" look rather than a "natural" one? Also, one which has connotations art deco?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:47 (nineteen years ago)

"connotations to"

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

Because they ask for a Wash, Cut and Set-square at the hairdressers.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:52 (nineteen years ago)

I went to art school. I was an art school girl. I never had that haircut.

My hair went from floppy Brideshead slicked back thing to Jesus and Mary Chain wilting orchid to Eraserhead, depending on how much hairspray was in it.

I blame the Bauhaus (as in the art school, not the band) for the popularity of the Louise Brooks bob among art school girls, though.

― Negative Mental Attitude (kate), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:52 (nineteen years ago)

oh FFS! There's this little thing called EMO going about right now people!

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 23 October 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

I've never exactly understood what that is, I don't follow rock.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 October 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

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― Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.slocartoon.net/cartoons/images/000000/446.jpg

I bet she sewed those clothes herself, too!

― Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mistersf.com/images/amytan02.jpg

― Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.filmspiegel.de/filme/pulpfiction/poster.jpg

I think this is responsible for the resurgence, personally...

― Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/a/argento/4174828_Max.jpg

― Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Claudette Colbert rocking a modified version
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/columbia_pictures/it_happened_one_night/_group_photos/clark_gable5.jpg

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

Geometrically cut black hairdo:

No bangs, I admit.

― It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://photo.sing365.com/music/picture.nsf/SingerPicUnid/48256C71003578A2482569A4000D4430/$file/Siouxsie.jpg

http://sfherald.com/images/siouxsie.jpg

― LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/siouxsie_chick/Picture698.jpg

― LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.uwe.peterson.claranet.de/private/moviefaces/actress/f/mf_kalifornia03.jpg

― LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

isn't there a movie where Alan Cumming (as a tranny) has this haircut?

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nndb.com/people/972/000047831/moe-sm.jpg

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

Claudette Colbert rocking a modified version

hey, i just watched that film last night! it was pretty great, although what kind of guy travels with TWO sets of pyjamas?? ones weird enough...

― zappi (joni), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

Cumming has it in TITUS,,,or the Phil Oakey dudical rivethead version, and also hella goff makeup. I have so the crush on him.

― Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Liza_Walker.jpg

― stet (stet), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not ashamed to say that the tattoo was the only way i recognized Asia up there.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's why she's always hitching her shirts up & pants down in photo shots...she's almost interchangable w/Belladonna, she too of the identifying tats.

― Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

she's almost interchangable w/Belladonna, she too of the identifying tats.

...good lord, you're right.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

then there's the swing out sister chick, who (along w/ siouxsie sioux) is like the queen of this sort of look:

http://www.dougberger.net/uploaded_images/shot1-746420.jpg

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/94/253933296_ca98b6ea61.jpg

― I'm down for runnin' up on them crackers in the city hall... (papa november), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 06:09 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.eonmckai.com/main/subs/films/Filmographyartschool.html

― Sensitive Shoegazer (Jaap Schip), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 06:48 (nineteen years ago)

Now that is an art school look if any!

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

(That wasn't in a negative sense. Great pics, Kate!)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

(Though I have to wonder - aren't you ever sceptical of reproducing these very stereotypical representations of femininity?)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

(Like, for example, the cleavage shot...)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

I never thought this haircut was particularly great or anything, but I thanks to this thread I now detest it.

― Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

If I wasn't so pale (read: I have ginger eyebrows) I'd go for it. It's sexy without being overtly so.

― Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.speak.ltd.uk/i/photos/160/magenta_devine.160.jpg
The round sunspecs kind of kill the look.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

Also,
http://www.gocontinental.com/photos2/swingout2a.jpg

― Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

Ha! Totally forgot about Corinne Drewery although when I went to see Bunnymen/New Order tour and was taken to meet both groups after the show, a certain low-slung bassist and porcupine-haired singer felt it necessary to comment on my resemblance to her.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

Did they mean Eileen Drewery?

Abbott looks a bit different, upthread, from how I thought she looked.

― the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

I never thought this haircut was particularly great or anything, but thanks to this thread I now detest it.

Same here.

(Well, actually, I hated it before that -- that razor-straight bangs thing is just so unappealing to me, it blows my mind that anyone would want to look that way.)

― lurker #2421, inc. (lurker-2421), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

art school sluts was terrible and none of them really looked like art school students, just the type of trendy porn types who would've had teased blonde hair 20 years ago.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

I missed post #3 in the four posts Tuomas made in response to Kate and it didn't phase me one little bit.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

That girl from the Eye Candy For The Broken Hearted pics is one of the most beautiful looking people I've ever seen.

― mei (mei), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.gilmoregirls.hpg.ig.com.br/screencaps/guardian/1.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.spiltmilkrecords.com/Images/Vinyls/Singles/ShakespearsSister12inch_small.JPG

― LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.serieslive.com/img/series/casting/daria.gif

― LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

Tuomas, A lot of my work centres on stereotypes. A lot of it is Kitsch. So any stereotypes that exist, I intentionally play up to. My work doesn't come from a feminist perspective. It's about exaggeration and maybe a comic book kind of over-the-topness.

I don't particularly see why, by virtue of my gender my work has to be some kind of feminist political statement.

― I'm down for runnin' up on them crackers in the city hall... (papa november), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

That girl from the Eye Candy For The Broken Hearted pics is one of the most beautiful looking people I've ever seen.

Those eyebrows resemble John Walters' pencil moustache a bit too much for my liking.

Kate's cousin Rhiannon has a certain charm.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

Kate's cousin Rhiannon has a certain charm

Yeah, she's very cute, she just doesn't realise though. It was her first shoot, she was very nervous and self-conscious.

― I'm down for runnin' up on them crackers in the city hall... (papa november), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

abbot so do you know where the tablets have gotten to??

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.rfh.org.uk/main/images_new05/events/mar06/ladytron.jpg

― LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/6/9599492_e84864ebe2_m.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

I don't particularly see why, by virtue of my gender my work has to be some kind of feminist political statement.

I didn't mean to imply that, I just don't see that big a difference between the cleavage shot and similar, "serious" pin-up pics. I think irony and kitsch are difficult fields, because there's a thin line between playing with stereotypes and merely reproducing them. To be honest, I don't see much exaggeration in those pics, just a polished surface - to me, they don't look that different from the ones teenage girls post over internet galleries for boys to drool over, except that your pics are better made.

But this of course is just my opinion, and I guess it's affected by my wishes for art to be emancipatory in one sense or another, which isn't a view you should necessarily share.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

It is a good look. Would that it were more prevalent.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

maybe Kate just thinks boobs look good.

― occasional mongrel (kit brash), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

The one thing that Feminism really *has* taught me, is to be very very careful, in fact downright suspicious, of *anyone* who holds views on how "Women" *should* be.

― Going Through The Motions (kate), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

To be honest Tuomas, those shots were commissioned by the subject. They were for her modeling portfolio. I would never take naughty nurse photos by choice. That theme is a little, how do you say? played out, even for me.

― I'm down for runnin' up on them crackers in the city hall... (papa november), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

But this of course is just my opinion, and I guess it's affected by my wishes for art to be emancipatory in one sense or another, which isn't a view you should necessarily share.

it's emancipatory to dismiss cleavage and pin-up photos?

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

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