what american accent(s) do non-americans have the most difficulty understanding?

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this is something i've been curious about for a while. for instance, i have always had problems understanding the glasgewian accent or certain liverpudlians (OK, ian mcculloch). but i've wondered if any non-americans find any american accent as inpenetrable as i found the foregoing british accents.

my guess may be a hardcore texas accent. but whudda i know?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 08:38 (eighteen years ago) link

(I had no idea Glaswegian was so like Jamaican, mon.)

StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 09:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm from near London, and I have more trouble understanding Geordie / some Scottish / some Irish accents than any American ones I've heard.

Sir Tehrance HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 09:38 (eighteen years ago) link

When I want not to be understood in Europe, I talk really quickly to my wife in Baltimorese. No one's been able to understand us yet. I haven't tried this in London, though.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 09:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Thing is, most american accents have been represented in many films. So, familiarity breeds comprehension.

I'm pretty damn good at understanding UK regional accents, I've been around (glaswegian is tough though).

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 10:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, American accents are (comparatively) easy to understand because you hear them every day, more or less - on TV, in films, on records. I imagine most Americans hardly ever hear British regional accents. I think it's mostly laziness that prevents people from understanding other people's accents, that and a lack of music in their souls.

Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 10:07 (eighteen years ago) link

sometimes people don't bother trying to listen

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 10:18 (eighteen years ago) link

When I want not to be understood in Europe, I talk really quickly to my wife in Baltimorese. No one's been able to understand us yet. I haven't tried this in London, though.
-- Colin Meeder (amisrau...), November 1st, 2006.

haha yeah i was gonna say 'bawmaw'.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 10:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I am a Canadian who grew up in a small town near Toronto, and therefore only a few hours from the American border. I have what many would consider to be a flat Canadian accent, with a touch rural. I currently live in London, UK.

I have encountered American border guards at the Windsor/Detroit border and also Vancouver/Seattle(ish) border that were completely incomprehensible to me, and yet have very little problem understanding thick Glaswegian Patter or very coloquial Irish English.

Last night I watched an American documentary about Appalachian folk musicians that was subtitled, for it's American audience.

My Liverpudlian father in law admitted he couldn't understand most of what I said the first time we met, and he also watches Seinfeld DVDs with the subtitles on.

greypejooze (Ryanssssss), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 11:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm from near London, and I have more trouble understanding Geordie / some Scottish / some Irish accents than any American ones I've heard

I'd have to say, in my experience, people from the South East of England are the worst I've ever met at understanding other people's accents.

Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 13:28 (eighteen years ago) link

That's because you buggers can't talk properly, what.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm in Canada, a transplanted Brit (via some time spent in South Africa), and have a hard time with some of the southern US accents -- I particularly noticed this during Katrina when tons of New Orleaneans (sp?!) were being interviewed on TV. And J3sse J@ckson I can barely understand at all. I don't know about Texas, though!

surfer_stone_rosa (surfer_stone_rosa), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I lived in the States for, like, 15 years, but I still can't make head or tail of a N'awlins accent.

Texans, it really depends which bit of Texas they're from, some are intelligible (I think that's if they're from Dallas or Houston or other big cities) but others? Jeez, might as well be from Mars.

Going Through The Motions (kate), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Also I think if you don't like an accent you don't try as hard to understand what is being said - which explains the incomprehensibility of Glaswegian, esp. in the South East of England

Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Mind you, I hate Cockney and I can understand that well enough

Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

It's often the *speed* rather than the thickness of the accent.

If people would make more of an effort to talk at an understandable speed, I'd make more of an effort to understand them.

Going Through The Motions (kate), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Speed is a problem, I can think of only one person I seriously struggle to understand, he's from Derry andtalkslikeahundredfuckinmillionmilesanhour

Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link

hadu lack miss hippy?

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never heard an American accent I couldn't understand, but as someone else mentioned, when you hear a lot of American accents via TV and movies it's a lot easier. The only British accents I occasionally have problems with are northern accents.

I'm down for runnin' up on them crackers in the city hall... (papa november), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess I need to up my intake of Ken Loach movies.

I'm down for runnin' up on them crackers in the city hall... (papa november), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd venture that (based on an entirely unrepresentative and very small sample of people who need to decipher regionalisms for a living - subtitlers) people from the north of England are better than most at understanding accents.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Yurpeans

Seriously, I have been in parts of Merky that have accused us of having "that Yurpean accent" DESPITE BEING FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont care how much american tv youve watched, a deep louisiana accent is indecipherable

sunny successor (katharine), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a few friends from Louisiana, so I think thats how I got good at that one :)

I'm down for runnin' up on them crackers in the city hall... (papa november), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Uxbridgian

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 November 2006 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, yes, and Maine.

I got quite good at deciphering the usual Harvard A flattened New England accent, but people from Maine are, like, from another century, pre-Great Vowel Shift.

I think it's similar to Newfies being unintelligible, ever to other Canadians.

Going Through The Motions (kate), Thursday, 2 November 2006 11:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone have any links as to what these accents actually sound like? It occurs to me that when I said this: I have more trouble understanding Geordie / some Scottish / some Irish accents than any American ones I've heard. it might just be that they don't actually use any of these supposedly weird and wonderful American accents in films or on TV (which, seeing as my coach trip to Louisanna, Baltimore and Maine got cancelled, is the only way I'm likely to encounter them).

I think what someone else said is true, though, that British people can understand American accents pretty easily because we hear them every day through the media, whereas until relatively recently you didn't get many genuine/strong regional Brtish accents in British films or TV programmes. The northern accents in the kitchen sink dramas from the early 60s, or 'Whatever Happened To The Likely Lads' in the 70s, seem to have been watered right down to make sure everyone can understand them, and the Scottish accents used in the film of Trainspotting didn't seem as full on as they should have been (I was expecting something more like this.

Sir Tehrance HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

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Sir Tehrance HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

shaun from the real losers stayed at my house this spring and i understood maybe one fifth of what he was saying to me.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread makes me wonder: have British accents become less thick, or more Americanized, over the last thirty years or so thanks to the blitz of American media? Just wondering.

I was startled to find out that (some) Okies sound more southern than southerners. I had a long phone conversation with a guy from near Enid and for about a half hour I thought he was making fun of me, but I finally realized that's really how he talked.

Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread makes me wonder: have British accents become less thick, or more Americanized, over the last thirty years or so thanks to the blitz of American media? Just wondering.

30? try 75-80!

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, use whatever number you want, but 30 years is a good time frame for ILXors to give opinions based on their own experience.

Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

The answer is no. I don't think anyone apart from 1980s Radio One DJs and various members of Duran Duran has developed a transatlantic accent.

Sir Tehrance HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

i think southie/boston/maine accents are totally fucking hilarious.

oirish, scouse, northern england i can do just fine, but that's because that's where my family lives.

tho, the guy in the gas station on I'm Alan Partridge is totally Mars to me.

Deep South is pretty hard sometimes.

gbx (skowly), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

southie/boston/maine

b-b-but they're 3 different accents! you can totally tell north shore from southie and a down east maine accent is a total different beast.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i just like that whole region, i mean.

new hampshire accents are good, too

gbx (skowly), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm a little surprised that no-one's mentioned pittsburgh accents yet. (i don't find pittsburghese that tough, but then again i have family from there and i've heard it all my life.) that might be just because of non-familiarity with that type of accent for those outside the USA -- pittsburgh is kinda like america's newcastle-upon-tyne.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

a buddy of mine from n carolina prides himself on being able to pinpoint where anyone's from in the south judging by their accent. which is probably no big thing in england, but shit all sounds the same to me when you get into the south.

xp i don't think i've ever heard a pittsburgh accent

gbx (skowly), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

pittsburgh accent is similar to the rest of the great lakes region, there are differences but from wisconsin to buffalo there's definitely a common thread.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

What I was trying to say upthread (but half-forgot) was that in Britain we can understand the American accents that we are familiar with (because we hear them so often), but perhaps we can't understand the ones we aren't familiar with (because we don't hear them), but it's no use asking us which ones we don't understand if the whole reason that we don't understand them is because we've never heard them because obviously we can't identify which accents which we've never heard are most likely to cause us problems.

That's not the clearest post I've ever made. Anyway - some links or sound files to all these Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Maine etc accents would be handy.

Sir Tehrance HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread makes me wonder: have British accents become less thick, or more Americanized, over the last thirty years or so thanks to the blitz of American media? Just wondering.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

There are a few British accents documented here:
http://www.collectbritain.co.uk/collections/dialects/

Still looking for examples of American ones.

I'm down for runnin' up on them crackers in the city hall... (papa november), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

This looks good (for British accents):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/voices/recordings/index.shtml

Sir Tehrance HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Hawaiian Pidgin!

Pittsburgh is definatly on its own shit, iirc.

I grew up all over the states, (7 years midwest/kansas, 5 in south shore massachusetts, 5 in arizona, 7 in chicago, Hawaii for the last six months). People always be asking me crazy shit about my accent... like if I'm from Europe or the South (though that could have something to do with my name).

researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Test yourself here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/voices/accentsurvey.pl

I got 10/10, but I got pretty lucky guessing one of them was Punjabi.

Sir Tehrance HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link


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