JOE ROGAN VS. CARLOS MENCIA... FITE!!!

Mencia was born “Ned Arnel Mencia”, the seventeenth of eighteen children in San Pedro Sula, Honduras. His father, Roberto Holness, is from Honduras, and his mother, Magdelena Mencia, is from Mexico. He was raised in East Los Angeles, California by his aunt Consuelo and uncle Pablo Mencia. "out of respect for his father", he went by the name Ned Holness as a boy.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/13d46273e4c9069f73c615d5b9d3309a/tumblr_opjrj1p13Z1uc3ovio1_1280.jpg

hmm

https://www.facebook.com/hermano/videos/10214723690180350/

Tie-dye t-shirts with big streaks of black in them are one of my favorite genre of tie-dyes.

i don't understand how he can believe this and still be "friends" with alex jones. is he just opportunistic or really fucking dumb?

why not both

it's just kinda weird.

i'm not a "de-platforming" guy and i have nothing in principle against him having these alt right figures on his podcast (he has had everyone from milo to gavin mcinness to alex jones and, most famously, jordan peterson). but in his conversations with these people he barely pushes back on their ideas, if at all. he is probably as responsible as anyone else for jordan peterson's rise. if he really wants to build a more compassionate society, and if he really cares about the welfare of refugees at the border, he should be more skeptical of these people (to put it lightly)

think it's been a while since he was tight with jones, voiced skepticism about lol sandy hook truthery. the thing you learn with rogan is he'll mostly go along with whoever he's got on (that tie dyed video, i assume from the voice duncan trussell was the guest), so, like last week? it was bari weiss and then killer mike, so you've got clips of him on the war on poverty with killer mike and then he's got a clip with bari weiss on "anti-semitism by progressives." some intellectual darkweb guys are so dumb that majority report can pull clips of him dunking on jp or dave rubin by just picking at the seams of their arguments. but he's usually very credulous, so depending on the guest, he might be getting horrified by the treatment of white south african farmers or all aboard board with medicare for all. i mean, overall, despite his preoccupation with free speech and welcoming alt-right guests, he has the fairly moderate libtard opinions expected from a 50something coastal elite dude + very mild conspiracy theory stuff (more fbi assassinations of radical leaders and less chemtrails these days).

yeah, "credulous" is a better word for what i'm talking about than "dumb." he does seem to look for the "best" in his guests, which is a good personality trait i suppose, but it's weird when it leads him to giving pretty egregious right wing figures the chance to prove that they too can hang

idk but isn't his thing that he DOESN'T push back?

I'd never actually seen or heard him till recently (though I knew he was famous for the podcast I hadn't seen anything until maybe two months ago). From what I've seen he just kind of agrees with whichever guest he has on, maybe the only real consistency around the idea of "free speech" - which I don't think of as exclusively a 'modern right wing thing'.

he has a big audience, if he's saying stuff like this he either believes it or thinks enough of his audience does, or both?

i think his audience are mostly liberals or else vaguely apolitical libertarians. i've gotten texts from friends asking me to help them formulate reasons why jordan peterson is wrong. they know he's wrong, but they're kinda turned around after hearing the podcast where rogan agreed with the stuff he was saying and made it seem like common sense.

full disclosure: that happened one time. i don't why i made it plural.

i actually don't think rogan is any dumber or more credulous than the average american newsmedia personality, though, and probably less reactionary and definitely less cold-blooded. i also i think his working class roots show (how lame that sounds writing it on ilx in this spirited defense of joe rogan!), like he was set by 30 but still grew up the kid of a single mom, raised in newton mass, didn't go to college etc.

it's ridiculous to suggest he's being taken advantage of by right wing grifters but intellectually he's quite often bullied; he has that anti-intellectual streak that makes america great, where he'll express an idea, like, why would you go to college and major in history when you can just listen to dan carlin's hardcore history? or, why would a kid go a hundred grand into debt getting a humanities degree when the great lectures are on youtube, ted talks, jordan peterson lecturing on the hero's journey and jung! he'd rather grapple with ideas from his own perspective and knowledge, which leaves him vulnerable to the elite-level sophistry of, say, candace owens or jordan p (if you put him against a neanderthal reactionary like owen benjamin or 2019 nick dipaolo, he does fine). he does push back! but it's usually ineffective.

great posts dylann

Yea i agree—good analysis. There is something charmingly populist about him and I understand why the podcast is popular. But yeah, he is a good mark for the peterson’s of the world

I don't usually view people through a left/right spectrum, unless that's their deal. I think it's boring and unimaginative.

Ooh, lookit this guy, floating above us on a cloud of his own smugness...

Is “I don’t see ideology” the new “I don’t see race”?

I don’t care if you’re left right or purple…

yeah, lets or instead we pretends the other is who?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st5OGffTp6s

folks, listen, as soon as we find out who’s responsible for approving that contract, boy let me tell you, that person is in for it https://t.co/ghrrjUd2Mg

— kilgore trout, cryptopolice chief (@KT_So_It_Goes) February 7, 2022

I like Henry Rollins, My War rules

That list is a good lineup to illustrate how his reactionary spiral really started with freaking out about trans people and getting push back on that.

Exactly, and applies to Jordan Peterson just as well. In fact it’s like the two of them formed this echo chamber of YouTube transphobia that really helped drive a lot of folks towards this horseshoe theory reactionary stance.

Since so much politics is centered around issues of social justice and identity now, what “I don’t see left or right” typically means is that they are so privileged that they can allow themselves to feel above any concerns of social justice, systemic discrimination etc.

Has Taibbi also dug himself into the transphobic backlash or some other form of diet bigotry? I forget.

Taibbi is just doing low-cal Greenwald stuff

“horseshoe theory”

isn't the trans stuff how Jordan Peterson got famous in the first place? iirc he was arguing that people were literally going to go to prison for using the wrong pronouns or something, which caught a lot of attention cuz people didn't really know how fucking nuts he was back then

yeah, JP's entire deal was that he was doing his goofy book thing and being a shitty professor/therapist, and then he misrepresented a canadian policy propsal re: trans people

you can hear at the end he says "but god, is that really true?" because it was too difficult for him to look at this guy's history and know ahead of time he was going to say something like this.

Here's a small part of what they deleted. Chuck is explaining to Joe Rogan that black people have a gene that makes them "predisposed to violence." pic.twitter.com/A5uSePdIKT

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 6, 2022

"black americ- you know blacks, you know Africans"
what a scholar

“horseshoe theory”

― concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Monday, February 7, 2022 3:20 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

If you have a better shorthand for the left-right crossover of Greenwald, Taibbi etc then I'm all ears.

substackin' cheese

i don't know i would just like to be able to have a killfile for that specific phrase

for real

sorry that’s my own little off-topic axe to grind. to me it seems like an overstated liberal Twitter bogeyman, particularly when regressive centrists (or “fishhook theory” if you prefer) in Democratic leadership (incl Biden, Harris, Pelosi et al) and the NYT/ WaPo op ed are still far more dangerous, ruin far more lives, and (currently) hold tons more sway. this is not to provide cover for contemptible trolls like Greenwald et al, which I realize are the primary subjects here in the Rogan thread. apologies for the off-topic rant, and absolutely not attributing this to you viborg. but for as many creepy “post-Left” IDW-hugging weirdos as I see online, I still think they are outnumbered and certainly out-powered by millionaires and billionaires who are just a little too eager to blur these lines in an attempt galaxy brain non-MAGA voters into believing that M4A or making corporations pay taxes is actually bad and also probably racist, misogynistic, etc

My 2018 Joe Rogan Experience appearance was CENSORED by @Spotify. He didn't use any racial slurs in the episode. I RAILED against Saudi Arabia in it and Spotify just happened to expand into the Saudi market at the exact time that coincides with the banning (1/2) pic.twitter.com/R0bZxDvVEf

— Secular Talk🎙 (@KyleKulinski) February 7, 2022

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I don't know much about Taibbi, but Greenwald was never "far left" imo—I can't recall him ever really being socialist in any way, let alone communist. He's always basically been a libertarian, no? It's just that in the Bush era, he was worried about the state trampling on civil liberties, and now he's concerned about college students and twitter "mobs" or whatever.

Not to underplay whatever fascist shit he's up to on Fox now, I don't really care about him anymore.

yeah I’ve got no idea what he’s doing, other than effectively monetizing troll-hood. p sure I got temp banned from Twitter for replying to him something along the lines of how ‘hilarious’ it’s going to be when he comes out in favor of Bolsanro to own the libs, “you peeled potato-ass looking bitch”

so, as you can see, I am Part of the Problem

Lmao you Pringle.

xpost

Right rob, fair point about Greenwald, I probably just think of him as left-adjacent because there was that willingness on the left to platform some libertarians during the Bush years. Taibbi is basically a 'Bernie bro' and that's some of what I had in mind, the democratic socialists who scorn idpol but are happy to casually spout corny AAVE memes with zero consideration of the context of social justice or cultural appropriation. That's relatively minor though granted.

but for as many creepy “post-Left” IDW-hugging weirdos as I see online, I still think they are outnumbered and certainly out-powered by millionaires and billionaires who are just a little too eager to blur these lines in an attempt galaxy brain non-MAGA voters into believing that M4A or making corporations pay taxes is actually bad and also probably racist, misogynistic, etc

― concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Monday, February 7, 2022 5:12 PM

The IDW is definitely an extreme version of that Bernie bro line of thought. (And I really appreciate you taking the effort to explain yourself there, tbh the ILX scare quote shitpost can be a little off-putting in response to an effort post, but I know that's just how we do it.)

What really gets to me though is the leftists who do things like crap all over the Mueller report. I'd say stanning for Xi and the CCP is similar, but at least China is still nominally socialist ('with Chinese characteristics'). I've never encountered the term "horseshoe theory" on Twitter, I generally try to tune out most liberals there. But I most likely did pick it up from Reddit, which is also where I've seen quite a few folks claiming to be leftist and shitting on Mueller etc. There were also some old kind of weird lefty blogs I used to follow that went the same route but I can't even remember the name right now.

The point about the manipulation of discourse by the owning class is spot-on tho, seems safe to assume most online discussion is largely manufactured now, unless it's just your favorite musician riffing on their pet issue. It's likely there are a significant number of Bernie bros who have been swayed by the manufactured discussion on Reddit to actually buy into Jordan Peterson, ancap, or whatever the bullshit du jour is.

I don’t know much about Kulinski and I’ve never heard any kind of Dore insanity attributed to him but my god how does anyone dedicate hours of their day listening to a guy who goes by “secular talk”?

“It’s likely” is doing a lot of work there. The ‘Bernie coalition’ was younger, more queer and less white than Democratic voters as a whole.

It's not like I have any evidence to back my shit up, but is there support for that claim? In my personal experience the cis het white guys are more likely to go for Bernie, women and minorities are less likely to. The plural of anecdote is not data, I know.

(But also Reddit is a special case.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYm-CehOzEA

IDW-hugging weirdos

Hey man, I love Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles reprints and Transformers-meets-My Little Pony crossovers.

They lost the license for young reader Marvel titles. :(

r.i.p.

https://www.readthepresentage.com/p/joe-rogan-spotify

Kind of blowing my mind that the guy posting about the right-wing maniac Charles Johnson appearing on Rogan is also named Charles Johnson and is someone I remember as a virulently Islamophobic right-wing maniac in the Bush years.

yeah i remember when little green footballs was the worst place on the entire internet

Isn’t there some indie rock Chuck Johnson too?

he's an ambient pedal steel dude

He floats above it.

yikes

In another old clip posted online, Rogan responds to a guest who has a Black dad and a white mom by saying, “Powerful combination genetic-wise, right? You get the body of the Black man and then you get the mind of the white man all together in some strange combination. That doesn’t mean, by the way, that Black people don’t have brains. It’s a different brain.”

This is your periodic reminder that Chuck C. Johnson is NOT ME.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 6, 2022

Charles Johnson from Little Green Footballs has quite the resume:

1976 School Days with Stanley Clarke
1977 I'm Fine, How Are You with Airto Moreira
1977 Reach for It with George Duke
1977 Easy Living with Sonny Rollins
1976 Garden of Love Light with Narada Michael Walden
1978 Don't Let Go with George Duke
1978 Don't Ask My Neighbors with Raul de Souza
1979 Follow the Rainbow with George Duke
1979 Future Street with Pages
1980 Nielsen Pearson with Nielsen Pearson
1980 Rocks, Pebbles and Sand with Stanley Clarke
1981 Pages [1981] with Pages
1982 Dream On with George Duke
1983 Not the Boy Next Door with Peter Allen
1984 In London with Al Jarreau
1984 Live in London with Al Jarreau
1987 All In the Name of Love with Atlantic Starr
1988 Guitar Workshop: Tribute to with Otis Redding
1989 One Passion with Michael Paulo
1993 Art & Survival with Dianne Reeves
1994 L.A. with Hiroshima
1995 Piel Ajena with Eduardo Capetillo
1996 George Duke Greatest Hits with George Duke
1996 Is That the Way to Your Heart with Kazu Matsui
1998 A Song a Day
2000 When I Hold You in My Heart with Clay Mortensen
2000 Rare Collection with Jaco Pastorius
2001 Pages [2001] with Pages
2003 Punk Jazz: The Jaco Pastorius Anthology with Jaco Pastorius
2003 In Between the Heartaches with Phyllis Hyman

Why should I change my name? He's the one who sucks.

thx for that Rogan trans wrap-up, C. Grisso

Lmao at him clarifying he doesn't think black people don't have brains. Cmon that'd be ridiculous, he just thinks they have shitty ones.

Yeah, Rogan's defense for saying racist things seems to be "I didn't mean that horribly racist interpretation, I meant the still pretty racist interpretation"

imagine being Joe Rogan and having Serious Thoughts about someone else’s brain being ‘different’

Oh look at Bill Maher & Joe Rogan hanging out pic.twitter.com/ufpqiGngaT

— Aaron Stewart-Ahn (@somebadideas) April 13, 2022

these guys are such stooges

Oh my God. Joe Rogan tried to say Biden is unqualified by claiming he said something that TRUMP said.

He got fact checked in real time. This is amazing.

(h/t @Mediaite) pic.twitter.com/qlY9xvPhOS

— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) December 22, 2023

lol @ all the dickriders saying this is how it shows Rogan is more transparent than mainstream media, by allowing himself to be corrected in real time (as opposed to actually fact-checking it before he ran with it in the first place)

"that's the thing about media these days, you gotta look into it"

amazing how the tone shifts from "someone needs to get him out of there" to "well he clearly misspoke" once it's revealed who it actually is