British Right-Wing Pundits

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There seems to be lots of threads about US right wing pundits but a cursory search, and searchs for "richard littlejohn" and "melanie phillips" don't bring up much of interest, so erm who are the big players? Littlejohn, Phillips, Simon Heffer? Why don't they have as big "voices" as their American counterparts? How do they differ? Do we haves over here a LIBERAL ELITE keeping them down?

erm search / destroy if you want...

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

And then there's Peter Hitchens

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

People forget Clarkson, the man is probably by a fair distance Britain's most "powerful" journalist (and he came up through journo college and the local newspapers like you're meant to as well).

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm sure The Lex will be along to defend Phillips in a bit.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

Why? Does she like Paris Hilton too?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

From a hack standpoint, watching Littlejohn try and alter his rhetoric since moving from The Sun to the Mail has been pretty fascinating. He doesn't fit in at the mail, it's like watching some scally squeezed into a Matalan suit for a court appearance. He does his best work as the White Van Man spokesperson, not for people who suffer heart attacks every time the house price market changes slightly. More builder's tea than Whittards.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

what does Garry Bushell do now he's apparently no longer a TV critic?

Why don't they have as big "voices" as their American counterparts?

they literally have less reach? not as big a field to operate in? the media is 'bigger' in the US?

blueski, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

Simon Heffer is too much of a hilarious cartoon villain to be properly annoying

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

Anyway, could yr Bill O'Reillies or yr Anne Coulters drop gems like this?

Let's get the caveat out of the way from the off. The five women murdered in Ipswich were tragic, lost souls who met a grisly end. I sincerely hope whoever killed them is caught, charged and convicted.

No one with a shred of humanity would wish upon them their ghastly lives and horrible deaths. But Mother Teresa, they weren't.

And I know this might sound frightfully callous in the current hysterical, emotional climate, but we're not all guilty.

We do not share in the responsibility for either their grubby little existences or their murders. Society isn't to blame.

It might not be fashionable, or even acceptable in some quarters, to say so, but in their chosen field of "work'=", death by strangulation is an occupational hazard.

That doesn't make it justifiable homicide, but in the scheme of things the deaths of these five women is no great loss.

They weren't going to discover a cure for cancer or embark on missionary work in Darfur. The only kind of missionary position they undertook was in the back seat of a car.

Of course their friends and families are grieving. That's what friends and families do. But they should also be asking themselves if there was anything they could have done to prevent what happened.

If you discovered your daughter had gone on the game to feed her heroin habit, wouldn't you move heaven and earth to get her off it?

Frankly, I'm tired of the lame excuses about how they all fell victim to ruthless pimps who plied them with drugs. These women were on the streets because they wanted to be.

We are all capable of free will. At any time, one or all of them could have sought help from the police, or the church, or a charity, or a government agency specifically established to deal with heroin addicts. They chose not to.

The tortuous twistings of the sisterhood over the past week have been a joy to behold. The 30-yearold Spare Rib T-shirts have been brought out of mothballs and we've been treated to the All Men Are Bastards/Rapists/Murderers mantra from assorted Glendas who ought to be old enough to know better.

We've heard the well-rehearsed arguments for legalised and regulated prostitution, as if we were living under the Taliban. The fact is, we've already got de facto legal brothels on every High Street.

They're call saunas or massage parlours.

As I remarked when the Labour MP Joe Ashton was once caught in a Siamese "sauna" in Northampton, he must have been the only man in Britain ever to go to a massage parlour for a massage. It doesn't get much more glamorous than that.

These five women were on the streets because even the filthiest, most disreputable back-alley "sauna" above a kebab shop wouldn't give them house room.

The men who used them were either too mean to fork out whatever a massage parlour charges, or simply weren't fussy. Some men are actually turned on by disgusting, drug-addled street whores. Where there's demand, there'll always be supply.

This wasn't a case of women going on the game to put bread on the table, or to look after their "babies". That's what the welfare state is for. They did it for drugs.

The gormless Guardianistas simply refuse to confront this blindingly obvious reality. They would rather deify celebrity druggies such as Kate Moss and Will Self than face the truth that hard drugs wreck lives.

What I find most objectionable about all this is the attempt to make us all feel responsible for the murders. There is a nasty whiff of Lady Di about the enforced mood of mourning, with even the Old Bill coming across like hand-wringing archbishops.

At Ipswich Town's home game on Saturday, there was a minute's silence. We were supposed to believe that this was a true reflection of the community's sympathy.

I don't buy it. Most people went along with it in the spirit of emotional correctness and through fear of getting their heads kicked in if they didn't.

There was only one thing missing, but don't bet against it.

When Blair gets back from saving the Middle East, don't be surprised if he turns up at the funeral of one of these unfortunate women to deliver a lip-trembling, tear-stained eulogy: "She was the People's Prostitute".

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

Maybe difference between US "what the government is doing is right but it is being hampered by imaginary lefty conspiracy" vs UK's more marginalised "everything everyone does is wrong and gives you cancer, whatever happened to the good old days wahhh"

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

old people: who did the mail / sun tilt against during the thatcher years? the oppositon?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

The unions

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

Looney Left, Militant up in Liverpool, Red Ken down in London. "THEY'RE BANNING OUR KIDS FROM SINGING "BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP"" political correctness gone mad stuff.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

And, yeah, Scargill obviously.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

Ginger lefties

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

Argies

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

jon gaunt

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

And blacks.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

Rightwing pundits don't have quite the sway in the UK they have in the U.S. because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain. The UK doesn't have that gigantic Jesus-and-gun-loving constituency that exists in the U.S.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain

What?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

You heard me.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

The whole political compass = right of centre main parties + "extremist crackpots"

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Little" being the operative word

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

skewed towards the US left, i.e. the right by any 20th century standard.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

Talking of crackpots, get a read of the Scottish Christian Party manifesto:

9. Prisons
The Scottish Christian Party believes that the much needed extra prison
capacity should be purchased from developing countries for the purpose
of catering for Scotland’s medium Security Prisons. This should take the
form of building state of the art prison facilities in developing countries
that wish to host Scottish Prisons.
Advantages would include:
1. Less overcrowded prisons, cheaper costs and greater efficiency
2. More resources at home to look after our worst offenders properly
3. More economic trade instead of aid handouts to developing
countries
4. Raising prison standards in developing countries by example and
the provision of expertise.

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

They say this is no different to setting up call centres abroad.

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

'by any 20th century standard'

what now?

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

do they have less sway cos the most emotive right / left battles have been "won"? ie the unions, the acceptability of prejudice? i think they are "learning" from the american's clarkson's whole schtick is provication isn't it, look how angry i can make these daft eco-nuts!

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

Between 1980 and the present the whole political spectrum in the western world has been drifting rightwards back into liberalism (with certain conservative tendencies)

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

british journalism is more frivolous and clubbable than US journalism. all UK hacks know each other. this probably isn't so much the case in the states.

yes ed i know. but the idea that liberalism is the worst the 20th century right has to offer is batshit insane. as is the idea that welfare capitalism was some kind of 'left'. even without factoring in the fact that at the start of the century liberalism was kind of... left-wing.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

outsourcing prisons to eastern european countries in the EC - who will be the first New Labour or Tories?

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

Send 'em all to Botany Bay.

I think for historical reasons the U.S. has this strong libertarian streak (ie right to bear arms etc.) coupled with a strong religious/puritan streak. Put the two together and they coelesce into a very strong, very dynamic right-wing culture that simply doesn't exist in the UK. And that's why rightwing pundits don't have so much sway. I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

Not where it matters he isn't

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

Rightwing pundits have an absolute fuckload of sway, party politics is an irrelevence here. Ask White Van Man what he thinks about asylum seekers.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

I would say that liberalism was progressive not left- wing per say. And whether or not you think 'welfare capitalism' is of the left or not, the centre is to the right of even that now.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

xpost to Tom D.

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

british reactionary right is xenophobic and defensive rather than on constant attack like the americans?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

We'll see how good that guess is when he wins the next election. Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it. Cameron is only "radical" when it comes to wearing a wind turbine on your head or cycling backwards on a bicycle made entirely of radishes

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

You sure you're not mixing up David Cameron with John Otway?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

And Wild Willie Whitelaw?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

upthread are you dudes talking economic or social liberalism? or both?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

both

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

xpost

Sure, Cameron didn't come up with free healthcare! But the political climate is such that he'd have a hard time getting rid of it. Which underlines my point about the political background being skewed more leftwards in the UK, despite years of Thatcher/Blair.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it."

well except for things involving teeth or eyes, ie the only two things i ever go in for...

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

just going to say

Alan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

We'll see how hard a time he has getting rid of it, it'll be less hard than you think once he persuades the middle classes it's in their interest (xxpost)

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

Well, I think if it were politically possible to get rid of the NHS, it would have already been done. Anyway, doesn't Cameron have a disabled kid or something. He probably uses the NHS more than the average Tory.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

They are getting rid of it already, piece by piece

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

um guys the nhs is already on the way out...

xpost!

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'd find this all more amusing if I didn't know its all going to kill the conversational vibe at family Xmas dinner this year.

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 10:05 (two months ago) Permalink

when you reveal your wrapping paper was from Paperchase?

Neil S, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 10:16 (two months ago) Permalink

when you reveal your wrapping paper is the Daily Mail?

Mark G, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 10:56 (two months ago) Permalink

when you reveal your rapping granny is chasing paper?

It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 10:59 (two months ago) Permalink

when you reveal paper granny wrapping frozen elsa pregnant spider man?

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 11:05 (two months ago) Permalink

there it is

It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 11:08 (two months ago) Permalink

fped you all FYI

Neil S, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 11:10 (two months ago) Permalink

with sellotape and knives

Mark G, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 11:12 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

British journalism is in a healthy state I see.

Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 10:13 (two months ago) Permalink

the envy of the world

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 10:14 (two months ago) Permalink

Coren counts as a right-wing pundit, no? literally can't imagine a less appealing front page splash than this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ1ogyRXkAE6uHR.jpg

soref, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:08 (two months ago) Permalink

Jfc. Coren's insufferable.

Another one of those "writers" making money over their baby's back.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:40 (two months ago) Permalink

*dad's

Cardi Acs (imago), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:45 (two months ago) Permalink

aye

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:47 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah he's the one thing that puts me off marrying Victoria

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:56 (two months ago) Permalink

He's a troll. That's all he is. On some level he must know it, and I hope it causes him deep, profound and insurmountable displeasure.

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:09 (two months ago) Permalink

ha, I always thought he came across as oddly thin-skinned and hurt by criticism for someone whose whole schtick is trolling? I sometimes get the impression that he is someone who genuinely has these thoughts and opinions that he knows are considered beyond the pale and is troubled by this, so he tries to exorcise the anxiety by expressing the thoughts/opinions in a faux-trolly way, but his heart is not really in it - imo Coren doesn't actually enjoys riling Libs a la Rod Liddle or Toby Young, he wants to be liked too much.

soref, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:18 (two months ago) Permalink

giles coren is so london

ogmor, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:45 (two months ago) Permalink

every generation gets the samuel pepys it deserves

Cardi Acs (imago), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:47 (two months ago) Permalink

giles coren is so london

this is slanderous upon London imo

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:49 (two months ago) Permalink

manchester offers ample scope for a reprisal tbf

Cardi Acs (imago), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:51 (two months ago) Permalink

"giles coren is so london" is so manchester

Cardi Acs (imago), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:52 (two months ago) Permalink

nowadays I suppose Samuel Pepys would be regarded as sexual harassment in our politically correct Airstrip One

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:53 (two months ago) Permalink

lol at the idea that London isn't Ground Zero for this particular type of cunt tho

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:53 (two months ago) Permalink

tru

Cardi Acs (imago), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:54 (two months ago) Permalink

North London tbf

Blandford Forum, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 13:00 (two months ago) Permalink

where else could forge a giles coren

ogmor, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 13:01 (two months ago) Permalink

xp very, very tru :D

enjoy wembley btw ;_____;

Cardi Acs (imago), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 13:02 (two months ago) Permalink

where else could forge a giles coren

Oxford, where he studied?

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 13:31 (two months ago) Permalink

i'd never have imagined such a paragon of london-awfulness might have gone to oxford

ogmor, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:03 (two months ago) Permalink

Not to be confused with Giles Corey, a defendant at the Salem Witch Trials.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:25 (two months ago) Permalink

The British media is so London. In fact, the UK is so London.

Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:29 (two months ago) Permalink

More too London than so London.

Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:29 (two months ago) Permalink

'Was I an absolute prince,' he would say, pulling up his breeches with both his hands, as he rose from his arm-chair, 'I would appoint able judges, at every avenue of my metropolis, who should take cognizance of every fool's business who came there;—and if, upon a fair and candid hearing, it appeared not of weight sufficient to leave his own home, and come up, bag and baggage, with his wife and children, farmer's sons, &c. &c. at his backside, they should be all sent back, from constable to constable, like vagrants as they were, to the place of their legal settlements.

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:34 (two months ago) Permalink

According to the law at the time, a person who refused to plead could not be tried. To avoid persons cheating justice, the legal remedy for refusing to plead was "peine forte et dure". In this process the prisoner is stripped naked, with a heavy board laid on his body. Then rocks or boulders are laid on the plank of wood. This was the process of being pressed:[10]

...remanded to the prison from whence he came and put into a low dark chamber, and there be laid on his back on the bare floor, naked, unless when decency forbids; that there be placed upon his body as great a weight as he could bear, and more, that he hath no sustenance, save only on the first day, three morsels of the worst bread, and the second day three draughts of standing water, that should be alternately his daily diet till he died, or, till he answered.

As a result of his refusal to plead, on September 17, Sheriff George Corwin led Corey to a pit in the open field beside the jail and in accordance with the above process, before the Court and witnesses, stripped Giles of his clothing, laid him on the ground in the pit, and placed boards on his chest. Six men then lifted heavy stones, placing them one by one, on his stomach and chest. Giles Corey did not cry out, let alone make a plea.

After two days, Giles was asked three times to plead innocent or guilty to witchcraft. Each time he replied, "More weight." More and more rocks were piled on him, and the Sheriff from time to time would stand on the boulders staring down at Corey's bulging eyes. Robert Calef, who was a witness along with other townsfolk, later said, "In the pressing, Giles Corey's tongue was pressed out of his mouth; the Sheriff, with his cane, forced it in again."[11]

Three mouthfuls of bread and water were fed to the old man during his many hours of pain. Finally, Giles Corey cried out "More weight!" and died. Supposedly, just before his death, he cursed Sheriff Corwin and the entire town of Salem.[12] He was 81.

The realest of England

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:50 (two months ago) Permalink

gonna give that one to the USA tbf

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:54 (two months ago) Permalink

't Was British North America iirc but fair

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:54 (two months ago) Permalink

Coren isn't a troll per se, just yet another dude with nothing worthwhile to say* (except perhaps about restaurants) who has nevertheless decided to make a living from opinion journalism.

*Or at least an opinion about everything and insight into nothing.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:54 (two months ago) Permalink

who has nevertheless decided to make a living from opinion journalismassholism.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:55 (two months ago) Permalink

worthwhile comments about restaurants sounds like a category mistake.

Monogo doesn't socialise (ledge), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:59 (two months ago) Permalink

I dunno it's good to know which McDonalds's are clean

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 16:00 (two months ago) Permalink

i mean say what u like about yelp reviewers but at least they never throw their toys out of the prank because a sub-editor ruined their terrible joke about blowjobs

straightedge is just volcel for vegans (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 17:21 (two months ago) Permalink

er, out of the pram obv

straightedge is just volcel for vegans (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 17:21 (two months ago) Permalink

Was not aware of Liddle's poetry before.

Philip Larkin's mouldering poetic corpse discovered in rancid bin-bag of Rod Liddle's mind, pic.twitter.com/2ptyS6spIw

— david wheatley (@nemoloris) December 15, 2017

woof, Friday, 15 December 2017 12:18 (two months ago) Permalink

Am I a bad person for wanting to backhand Isabel Oakeshott while wearing some rusty wire-wool gloves?

kim jong deal (suzy), Friday, 15 December 2017 12:24 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

A-hole meets K-hole.

Katie Hopkins is an anesthetic mostly used in veterinarian procedures. She is often referred to as a “horse tranquilizer”

Katie should never be taken recreationally as she can induce psychological effects such as psychedelic distortion, psychosis, confusion and even brain death pic.twitter.com/RW80uxssd7

— G H Neale (@GHNeale) February 4, 2018

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ketie Hopkins

kim jong deal (suzy), Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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