British Right-Wing Pundits

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There seems to be lots of threads about US right wing pundits but a cursory search, and searchs for "richard littlejohn" and "melanie phillips" don't bring up much of interest, so erm who are the big players? Littlejohn, Phillips, Simon Heffer? Why don't they have as big "voices" as their American counterparts? How do they differ? Do we haves over here a LIBERAL ELITE keeping them down?

erm search / destroy if you want...

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:48 (thirteen years ago) link

And then there's Peter Hitchens

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link

People forget Clarkson, the man is probably by a fair distance Britain's most "powerful" journalist (and he came up through journo college and the local newspapers like you're meant to as well).

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm sure The Lex will be along to defend Phillips in a bit.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Why? Does she like Paris Hilton too?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:53 (thirteen years ago) link

From a hack standpoint, watching Littlejohn try and alter his rhetoric since moving from The Sun to the Mail has been pretty fascinating. He doesn't fit in at the mail, it's like watching some scally squeezed into a Matalan suit for a court appearance. He does his best work as the White Van Man spokesperson, not for people who suffer heart attacks every time the house price market changes slightly. More builder's tea than Whittards.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link

what does Garry Bushell do now he's apparently no longer a TV critic?

Why don't they have as big "voices" as their American counterparts?

they literally have less reach? not as big a field to operate in? the media is 'bigger' in the US?

blueski, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Simon Heffer is too much of a hilarious cartoon villain to be properly annoying

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Anyway, could yr Bill O'Reillies or yr Anne Coulters drop gems like this?

Let's get the caveat out of the way from the off. The five women murdered in Ipswich were tragic, lost souls who met a grisly end. I sincerely hope whoever killed them is caught, charged and convicted.

No one with a shred of humanity would wish upon them their ghastly lives and horrible deaths. But Mother Teresa, they weren't.

And I know this might sound frightfully callous in the current hysterical, emotional climate, but we're not all guilty.

We do not share in the responsibility for either their grubby little existences or their murders. Society isn't to blame.

It might not be fashionable, or even acceptable in some quarters, to say so, but in their chosen field of "work'=", death by strangulation is an occupational hazard.

That doesn't make it justifiable homicide, but in the scheme of things the deaths of these five women is no great loss.

They weren't going to discover a cure for cancer or embark on missionary work in Darfur. The only kind of missionary position they undertook was in the back seat of a car.

Of course their friends and families are grieving. That's what friends and families do. But they should also be asking themselves if there was anything they could have done to prevent what happened.

If you discovered your daughter had gone on the game to feed her heroin habit, wouldn't you move heaven and earth to get her off it?

Frankly, I'm tired of the lame excuses about how they all fell victim to ruthless pimps who plied them with drugs. These women were on the streets because they wanted to be.

We are all capable of free will. At any time, one or all of them could have sought help from the police, or the church, or a charity, or a government agency specifically established to deal with heroin addicts. They chose not to.

The tortuous twistings of the sisterhood over the past week have been a joy to behold. The 30-yearold Spare Rib T-shirts have been brought out of mothballs and we've been treated to the All Men Are Bastards/Rapists/Murderers mantra from assorted Glendas who ought to be old enough to know better.

We've heard the well-rehearsed arguments for legalised and regulated prostitution, as if we were living under the Taliban. The fact is, we've already got de facto legal brothels on every High Street.

They're call saunas or massage parlours.

As I remarked when the Labour MP Joe Ashton was once caught in a Siamese "sauna" in Northampton, he must have been the only man in Britain ever to go to a massage parlour for a massage. It doesn't get much more glamorous than that.

These five women were on the streets because even the filthiest, most disreputable back-alley "sauna" above a kebab shop wouldn't give them house room.

The men who used them were either too mean to fork out whatever a massage parlour charges, or simply weren't fussy. Some men are actually turned on by disgusting, drug-addled street whores. Where there's demand, there'll always be supply.

This wasn't a case of women going on the game to put bread on the table, or to look after their "babies". That's what the welfare state is for. They did it for drugs.

The gormless Guardianistas simply refuse to confront this blindingly obvious reality. They would rather deify celebrity druggies such as Kate Moss and Will Self than face the truth that hard drugs wreck lives.

What I find most objectionable about all this is the attempt to make us all feel responsible for the murders. There is a nasty whiff of Lady Di about the enforced mood of mourning, with even the Old Bill coming across like hand-wringing archbishops.

At Ipswich Town's home game on Saturday, there was a minute's silence. We were supposed to believe that this was a true reflection of the community's sympathy.

I don't buy it. Most people went along with it in the spirit of emotional correctness and through fear of getting their heads kicked in if they didn't.

There was only one thing missing, but don't bet against it.

When Blair gets back from saving the Middle East, don't be surprised if he turns up at the funeral of one of these unfortunate women to deliver a lip-trembling, tear-stained eulogy: "She was the People's Prostitute".

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Maybe difference between US "what the government is doing is right but it is being hampered by imaginary lefty conspiracy" vs UK's more marginalised "everything everyone does is wrong and gives you cancer, whatever happened to the good old days wahhh"

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link

old people: who did the mail / sun tilt against during the thatcher years? the oppositon?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:01 (thirteen years ago) link

The unions

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Looney Left, Militant up in Liverpool, Red Ken down in London. "THEY'RE BANNING OUR KIDS FROM SINGING "BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP"" political correctness gone mad stuff.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link

And, yeah, Scargill obviously.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Ginger lefties

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Argies

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:04 (thirteen years ago) link

jon gaunt

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:07 (thirteen years ago) link

And blacks.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Rightwing pundits don't have quite the sway in the UK they have in the U.S. because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain. The UK doesn't have that gigantic Jesus-and-gun-loving constituency that exists in the U.S.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link

because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain

What?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link

You heard me.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (thirteen years ago) link

The whole political compass = right of centre main parties + "extremist crackpots"

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (thirteen years ago) link

"Little" being the operative word

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:14 (thirteen years ago) link

skewed towards the US left, i.e. the right by any 20th century standard.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Talking of crackpots, get a read of the Scottish Christian Party manifesto:

9. Prisons
The Scottish Christian Party believes that the much needed extra prison
capacity should be purchased from developing countries for the purpose
of catering for Scotland’s medium Security Prisons. This should take the
form of building state of the art prison facilities in developing countries
that wish to host Scottish Prisons.
Advantages would include:
1. Less overcrowded prisons, cheaper costs and greater efficiency
2. More resources at home to look after our worst offenders properly
3. More economic trade instead of aid handouts to developing
countries
4. Raising prison standards in developing countries by example and
the provision of expertise.

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (thirteen years ago) link

They say this is no different to setting up call centres abroad.

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (thirteen years ago) link

'by any 20th century standard'

what now?

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:18 (thirteen years ago) link

do they have less sway cos the most emotive right / left battles have been "won"? ie the unions, the acceptability of prejudice? i think they are "learning" from the american's clarkson's whole schtick is provication isn't it, look how angry i can make these daft eco-nuts!

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Between 1980 and the present the whole political spectrum in the western world has been drifting rightwards back into liberalism (with certain conservative tendencies)

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link

british journalism is more frivolous and clubbable than US journalism. all UK hacks know each other. this probably isn't so much the case in the states.

yes ed i know. but the idea that liberalism is the worst the 20th century right has to offer is batshit insane. as is the idea that welfare capitalism was some kind of 'left'. even without factoring in the fact that at the start of the century liberalism was kind of... left-wing.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link

outsourcing prisons to eastern european countries in the EC - who will be the first New Labour or Tories?

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Send 'em all to Botany Bay.

I think for historical reasons the U.S. has this strong libertarian streak (ie right to bear arms etc.) coupled with a strong religious/puritan streak. Put the two together and they coelesce into a very strong, very dynamic right-wing culture that simply doesn't exist in the UK. And that's why rightwing pundits don't have so much sway. I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

Not where it matters he isn't

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Rightwing pundits have an absolute fuckload of sway, party politics is an irrelevence here. Ask White Van Man what he thinks about asylum seekers.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link

I would say that liberalism was progressive not left- wing per say. And whether or not you think 'welfare capitalism' is of the left or not, the centre is to the right of even that now.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost to Tom D.

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link

british reactionary right is xenophobic and defensive rather than on constant attack like the americans?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

We'll see how good that guess is when he wins the next election. Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it. Cameron is only "radical" when it comes to wearing a wind turbine on your head or cycling backwards on a bicycle made entirely of radishes

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link

You sure you're not mixing up David Cameron with John Otway?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link

And Wild Willie Whitelaw?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link

upthread are you dudes talking economic or social liberalism? or both?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:41 (thirteen years ago) link

both

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost

Sure, Cameron didn't come up with free healthcare! But the political climate is such that he'd have a hard time getting rid of it. Which underlines my point about the political background being skewed more leftwards in the UK, despite years of Thatcher/Blair.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link

"Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it."

well except for things involving teeth or eyes, ie the only two things i ever go in for...

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link

just going to say

Alan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link

We'll see how hard a time he has getting rid of it, it'll be less hard than you think once he persuades the middle classes it's in their interest (xxpost)

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Well, I think if it were politically possible to get rid of the NHS, it would have already been done. Anyway, doesn't Cameron have a disabled kid or something. He probably uses the NHS more than the average Tory.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link

They are getting rid of it already, piece by piece

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link

um guys the nhs is already on the way out...

xpost!

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link

would be happy to see carole malone gasping for air tbh

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Sunday, 22 March 2020 16:26 (two months ago) link

i think one of her recent pieces was along the lines of: phew, thank god Corbyn isn't PM during this time of national crisis and .. blah blah.. I don't think it is controversial to say Corbyn has a good record of putting people before GDP.

calzino, Sunday, 22 March 2020 16:33 (two months ago) link

She is an especially vile specimen.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 March 2020 16:41 (two months ago) link

The bar is sinking rapidly through the earth’s course and making good time for the core.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUQoU4HXsAEin1S?format=jpg&name=large

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Sunday, 29 March 2020 08:23 (one month ago) link

There's a wry amusement in predicting when these clowns will come down with the virus.

i was joking about the cat soup thing (Matt #2), Sunday, 29 March 2020 08:29 (one month ago) link

I can never parse Hodges, is he pro-Covid now?

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Sunday, 29 March 2020 19:20 (one month ago) link

I mean also fuck clicking on a Mail link

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Sunday, 29 March 2020 19:20 (one month ago) link

Checking up on Hodges and fell into infinite contempt vortex - who is worse, SKinnock or the SWP??

Hello @SKinnock we know celebrating your Dad’s birthday is a lovely thing to do, however this is not essential travel. We all have our part to play in this, we urge you to comply with @GOVUK restrictions, they are in place to keep us all safe. Thank you. ^cy

— South Wales Police | #StayHomeSaveLives (@swpolice) March 29, 2020

Stevie T, Sunday, 29 March 2020 19:28 (one month ago) link

Fools cheering for their own imprisonment? What does that mean?

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Sunday, 29 March 2020 19:30 (one month ago) link

much as i despise Skinnock, that's just the pigs throwing their weight around again afaict

Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 March 2020 20:52 (one month ago) link

World Cup of Stupid Centrist Hacks is getting tense now btw

Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 March 2020 21:09 (one month ago) link

Can’t find the daily mail thread but St BoJo was infected but the perfidious EU

The Mail on Sunday has *2 double page splashes* deflecting blame for the coronavirus onto foreigners and stirring up xenophobia.

Target 1: the EU.
Target 2: China.

The reality is, Boris Johnson bungled this crisis very, very badly. He zigged when the rest of the world zagged. pic.twitter.com/4zcTd5wGPy

— Edwin Hayward 🦄 🗡, 🇬🇧 🔜 🇪🇺 (@uk_domain_names) March 29, 2020

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 29 March 2020 21:13 (one month ago) link

xp I am looking at this rn and group three has me sweating like a mod opening a thread where someone just slagged off the filth

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Sunday, 29 March 2020 21:50 (one month ago) link

Most of the groups have been tough as hell, I think it's the top 2 from each plus the 4 highest third places for the knockouts tho. Glinner was a pretty easy vote tbh

Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 March 2020 22:35 (one month ago) link

WORLD CUP OF STUPID CENTRIST HACKS - THE GRAND FINAL

— World Cup of Stupid Centrist Hacks (@centristhacks) April 3, 2020

a classic final

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 00:01 (one month ago) link

52/48 LMAO

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 5 April 2020 00:03 (one month ago) link

expecting O'Brien to lodge a legal challenge

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 00:09 (one month ago) link

Pearson's grift going from talking about fancy shit with Tom Paulin to chatting about clapping with some fash weirdo in a basement is pretty much the perfect metaphor for the UK media's descent pic.twitter.com/ASPyDeetaR

— I Am Damo Godzuki ⬛🔴 (@b11ckchps) April 7, 2020

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 20:39 (one month ago) link

Who uses "so much for the tolerant left" unironically in 2020?

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 21:15 (one month ago) link

Paul Watson

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 21:17 (one month ago) link

I bet he also says "Sheeple"

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 21:17 (one month ago) link

Allison Pearson is the dictionary definition of a failure in every respect of her life.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 07:52 (one month ago) link

Like, even her bestselling novel is overshadowed by the fact she didn't deliver the follow-up and was sued by her publisher.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 07:54 (one month ago) link

Fuck you, Sarah Vine. pic.twitter.com/0alNDSVMeD

— Mic Wright (@brokenbottleboy) April 8, 2020

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 10:57 (one month ago) link

fuck sake

bam! Free bees! (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 10:59 (one month ago) link

but he used to play rugby at school don't you know?

Boris the Spreader (NickB), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:07 (one month ago) link

this shambling hulk of a man who sweats butter and cums foie gras is in the peak of good health!

bam! Free bees! (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:09 (one month ago) link

I am bouncing, Bordeaux-loving; you're a fat drunk.

fetter, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:12 (one month ago) link

I'll be the judge here of what "silenced" really means and all I can see is a cowardly flop sweat, swinging the lead because he's completely fucked his job and literally trying to steal oxygen.

calzino, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:16 (one month ago) link

cheers for new DN sarah

a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:22 (one month ago) link

Come now, a fat drunk won the war single handedly for Britain, these times call for another fat drunk to totter to the nation's rescue.

Did somebody just say eat? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:23 (one month ago) link

yeah but one was a fat self-aggrandizing racist drunk whereas the other is

a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:26 (one month ago) link

all rw columnists are engaging in gross fanfic at this point

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:37 (one month ago) link

This rw cumfest is the true apocalypse

isn't gove supposed to have the covid too or is that just something i dreamt?

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:57 (one month ago) link

self-isolating because ‘someone’ in his household has it, no symptoms for our boy just yet

bam! Free bees! (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:59 (one month ago) link

Virus hasn't yet spread to wood-based life forms

la légende d'beer (Matt #2), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 12:01 (one month ago) link

I hope we don't have an inquiry when this is over. If there are lessons to be learned, fine; but if there is just blame to be spread, forget it

— John Rentoul (@JohnRentoul) April 7, 2020

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 12:03 (one month ago) link

first time in his afterlife that Rentoul's got no interest in where the bodies are buried

a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 12:09 (one month ago) link

More from the interesting dissenter Dr John Lee : 'Is there any evidence [the shutdown] is doing any good at all?'https://t.co/GWWJPs8ifv

— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) April 17, 2020

go lick some handrails on the circle line you fucking crank!

calzino, Friday, 17 April 2020 20:48 (one month ago) link

Fuck him for talking to Spiked but what he says is pretty measured I think

clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 April 2020 20:53 (one month ago) link

I disagree very strongly!

calzino, Friday, 17 April 2020 20:59 (one month ago) link

I mean he's basically been saying we shouldn't jeopardise the economy at the expense of preventing thousands of people dying basically isn't it?

calzino, Friday, 17 April 2020 21:04 (one month ago) link

But I'm getting this from his tweets not giving clicks or precious time to his tedious TLDR versions.

calzino, Friday, 17 April 2020 21:05 (one month ago) link

No, as I said it's quite measured even if that's not want Spiked or it's retweeters want. He was saying there's a balance between how effective the lockdown is at slowing the spread and the health and social problems, as well as economic, that it causes. I think erring on the side of the lockdown is almost inevitable but I don't think he's wrong to say that nothing is very clearly evidenced yet.

clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 April 2020 21:10 (one month ago) link

well I bet that cunt won't be in a rush get back on the tube despite his rhetoric!

calzino, Friday, 17 April 2020 21:11 (one month ago) link

Well yeah the health and social problems related to the lockdown is probably underrated, but don't forget Hitch is pro capital punishment despite him being the only right wing columnist who wasn't a complete cunt on Grenfell. I think the economic problems this is causing won't be solved by bringing everyone back to work, having a proper LOTO challenging the govt on UC might at least add some pressure though.

calzino, Friday, 17 April 2020 21:37 (one month ago) link

that ex-doctor might turn out to be a total crank but i didn't disagree with the bit where he implied the great british public can only process one thought at a time

clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 April 2020 21:41 (one month ago) link

get brexit done!

calzino, Friday, 17 April 2020 21:43 (one month ago) link

It’s a message from that foul feathered felon the Penguin! What avian atrocities could he be planning now? pic.twitter.com/9zSAJss8Op

— Ivan Kirby (@hellothisisivan) April 25, 2020

if you thought Kinnock was a full-kit wanker for standing up at home during PMQs just check out the state of Hitchens during a Cambridge Union Zoom debate!

calzino, Saturday, 25 April 2020 09:07 (one month ago) link


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