Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

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Oilyrags, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link

This is awful.

Witness Queea Miller said the shootings took place in the parking lot.

"I was in my truck and the gunman was two cars over from me," she told CNN. She said she saw the gunman shoot in the direction of a Starbuck's coffee shop. "Then after he stopped, he re-loaded and started shooting again."

She said that, during the shootings, she and her 18-year-old daughter "lay our seats all the way back and I got to praying. You could hear the shots going off again."

Nathan, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link

boooooringgggggggggggg

danbunny, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Jesus.

kingfish, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link

gun debate pls.

S-, Monday, 30 April 2007 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Only four dead? Amateur.

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Numbers seem to be important, judging by the way everyone on TV was going on and on about how the last one was The Biggest ever (and CNN patting themselves on the back every 15 minutes that "300,000 - no, 600,000 - no, 900,000 people have seen our amateur cell phone video! yay us!")

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:41 (fourteen years ago) link

how many sprees were shot in this case? the article doesn't say.

Frogman Henry, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:57 (fourteen years ago) link

regardless, dear god. please to help people see stupidy concerning ways so this can happen less.

Frogman Henry, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:58 (fourteen years ago) link

thats what you get for drinking at starbucks, obviously someone hired by a competitor

klankton, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link

I think school shootings have a more readily compelling narrative built into them that media types can package, since its innocent kids and teenagers that are targeted in that case.

kingfish, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link

boooooringgggggggggggg

Interestingly, this is not a big story on any of the news sites I'm seeing. "Only four? Pffft. I could shoot that many people in my sleep."

kenan, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Just saw this on Belgian TV news. "Ironically, this happened in a mall called Target"

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link

tuomasphonebooth.jpg

strgn, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

is that where a 13-year-old can buy a rifle without a background check?

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:07 (fourteen years ago) link

what, in a Finnish phone boot?

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link

h

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Now the Finns.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7082795.stm

:/

Alba, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link

global epidemic spreads unchecked using news media as vector

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link

High school shooting in Finland.

Zeno, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7246003.stm

DG, Thursday, 14 February 2008 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link

i mean come on this shit is old now

DG, Thursday, 14 February 2008 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

ffs not again

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7936817.stm

the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:11 (twelve years ago) link

*placeholder for insensitive comment*

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:14 (twelve years ago) link

I can't get the story to load. Probably for the better. (Sigh)

╓abies, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:15 (twelve years ago) link

this one too, alabama

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/10/shooting.alabama/

football consultant, oakland raiders (daria-g), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:17 (twelve years ago) link

In summary: At least ten people are believed to have been killed in a shooting spree at a German school. Shooter believed to be a former pupil (oh wait that bit has now been removed). Shooter thought to be in custody.

xpost

the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:18 (twelve years ago) link

10 dead at both shootings on the same day wtf.

the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:19 (twelve years ago) link

15 dead in germany now.
wasnt someone shot at a church in the USA over the weekend too?

Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 13:13 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.moonconnection.com/moon_gadget.phtml#rt2ig1_1236782715

Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:47 (twelve years ago) link

wait a minute, meant to indicate it's a full moon atm.

Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:53 (twelve years ago) link

wasnt someone shot at a church in the USA over the weekend too?

― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname)

yep

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_on_re_us/church_shooting

Burt_ in the disco! Hongro blessed DJ! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:51 (twelve years ago) link

Also, the economy. Not meant to be flip, btw, but isn't there usually an upswing in this type of crap when the economy tanks? I seem to remember a bunch of workplace shooting lined up with the 90s recession.

legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

i don't think 17-year old Rammstein fans are motivated by the mortgage bubble bursting, jon

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

17-year old Rammstein fans

classy

bacon = bad for the face + magic for the moobs (Mackro Mackro), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

It was a general comment, hadn't really delved in the details of any of the stories. I was just wondering about how trends like this tie in with the global economy turning to shit.

legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:59 (twelve years ago) link

There was that one dude who killed his wife and kids and self because he couldn't afford to take care of them all with two jobs and it was mega-sad.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

The idea that a man's worth is in his productivity/success and that if HE can't be "successful" then everyone who was his responsibility must cease to exist, is just..........beyond. I can hardly form sentences when I think about this.

How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:08 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/nursing_home_shooting

A NURSING HOME. What do you have to do to be even worse than your average spree shooter? Murder a bunch of helpless fogeys, apparently.

Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Sunday, 29 March 2009 22:50 (twelve years ago) link

I'm sure this has been said before, but It's kind of disheartening how these mass murders have become an accepted fact of life. This was the 4th story on NPR's hourly news report today. Yeah, there is a lot of stuff going on in the world and maybe this is the forth most important story of the day, but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.

Super Cub, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:36 (twelve years ago) link

There was also a story today about some 17 year old guy who has stabbed one sister and then cut the other (5 years old!) one's head off, in front of a 3rd sister... he was still hacking at the 5 year olds head when the cops got there.

Just... what.

one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 02:46 (twelve years ago) link

Perhaps, but then again I believe these things have always happened all the time, everywhere, they're just far more publicized now due to 24-hour-news cycles. It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.

Nhex, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:46 (twelve years ago) link

but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.

― Super Cub, Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:36 PM

ya some people even think its great (see thread title)

eman, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:47 (twelve years ago) link

It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.

Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is
virtually non-existent. Usually these sort of societies have had a very strong social cohesion and a strict set of shared moralities though, with little room for nonconformism. I would assume there's a lot of variation between different countries of the world in the frequency of murder sprees though. It's inevitable in any society that people will go nuts, but the choices of what you do when you go nuts seem to be at least partially influenced by your surrounding culture. And in most Western societies a shooting spree seems to have become one of the "viable" alternatives for action, sadly. In the first school shooting spree in Finland, for example, it was later found out that the killer had some strong fascist/social Darwinist ideas and that he idolized the Columbine shooters.

Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2009 06:56 (twelve years ago) link

Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is virtually non-existent

wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.

iatee, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:13 (twelve years ago) link


(sorry)

abanana, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:18 (twelve years ago) link

wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.

I remember reading in some sociology textbook that certain Buddhist communities in Asia have had virtually no violent crime at all, but I can't find any information on that online right now. I probably shoudln't have used the word "society", since what I was talking about was small, geographically limited communities. Anyway, I don't really think there are any psychological disorders that people are born with, certainly not ones that automatically lead to a murder spree. Or can you name any?

Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2009 08:13 (twelve years ago) link

There was also a story today about some 17 year old guy who has stabbed one sister and then cut the other (5 years old!) one's head off, in front of a 3rd sister... he was still hacking at the 5 year olds head when the cops got there.

Just... what.

― one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 03:46 (8 hours ago) Bookmark

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090330/twl-man-murders-his-sisters-at-birthday-3fd0ae9.html

Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 11:44 (twelve years ago) link

The policeman broke into the house and witnessed Revelus decapitating five-year-old Bianca, whose birthday cake was on the kitchen table.

Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 11:44 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks for highlighting that.

Say what you like Professor Words (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 30 March 2009 12:11 (twelve years ago) link

we are just so fucked in this country when it comes to guns

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:02 (three weeks ago) link

good guy with a gun gets killed himself in this one too

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:03 (three weeks ago) link

the good guys with guns need better guns iirc

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:04 (three weeks ago) link

‘No way to prevent this, etc.’

pomenitul, Friday, 16 April 2021 13:05 (three weeks ago) link

I hear more libs are buying firearms these days, so it’s only a matter of time before the issue solves itself through sheer cosmic balance.

pomenitul, Friday, 16 April 2021 13:07 (three weeks ago) link

we buy love guns

P-Zunit (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:08 (three weeks ago) link

Sigh. It just feels so goddamn hopeless.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:41 (three weeks ago) link

Goddamn

It's quite intense to visit the paper of record online and discover that THERE WAS YET ANOTHER FRICKIN' ARMED SLAUGHTER that you had no idea about until that moment

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 16 April 2021 14:43 (three weeks ago) link

"See a partial list of shootings with multiple victims in 2021."

Because these are so fucking commonplace that listing them all would be too much.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 April 2021 14:44 (three weeks ago) link

yeah, this line in the CNN article kind of illustrates the severity of the problem unintentionally:

Police were called to the facility at about 11 p.m. local time for what has become the country's deadliest shooting since 10 people were killed March 22 at a grocery in Colorado.

P-Zunit (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 April 2021 14:53 (three weeks ago) link

Oooof

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 16 April 2021 14:54 (three weeks ago) link

I’m not sure that was unintentional after watching CNN’s morning coverage

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Friday, 16 April 2021 14:56 (three weeks ago) link

yeah first thing my wife said to me in the morning was "there was a shooting in Indiana" and I was racking my brain trying to think if she had just heard about one of the recent ones

frogbs, Friday, 16 April 2021 15:01 (three weeks ago) link

i guess one benefit of working from home is less risk of getting shot at place of employment. we had a legit threat at one of our offices years ago, and my office was the type that you wouldn't easily escape from in those situations.

i think we had a lockdown once for a few hours due to a gunman in the area but it never panned out.

P-Zunit (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 April 2021 15:04 (three weeks ago) link

we had a very disturbed guy in my office who more than once made specific angry threats about how he was going to do it, who he was going to go after, what he was going to use, etc. he lived around the corner from the office and had tons of guns at his house, once got caught with a huge hunting knife hidden in his desk. management never did anything but the fbi caught up with him eventually and he wound up behind bars for outside-the-workplace stuff. it was an exciting couple years in the office though, showing up to work every day thinking "is today the day he decides to do it?"

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 16 April 2021 16:20 (three weeks ago) link

jeezus yall

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 16 April 2021 16:43 (three weeks ago) link

wtaf?

Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Friday, 16 April 2021 16:54 (three weeks ago) link

'Murica.

pomenitul, Friday, 16 April 2021 16:54 (three weeks ago) link

yeah we fired a guy a while ago who apparently wound up having a hit list in his desk. I know a few people were legitimately disturbed by it, like "how did I wind up on that, I barely talked to the guy" but mostly it was treated like kind of a joke. in retrospect...gorsh

frogbs, Friday, 16 April 2021 16:56 (three weeks ago) link

sorry if i got too dark. its just every time one of these happens i always think about my office and if it had happened there, how it would have been described with the same banal boilerplate phrases in every one of these stories: "searching for a motive", "believed to be an employee", etc.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 16 April 2021 17:07 (three weeks ago) link

I worked with a guy who left a job a month before one of his coworkers shot the place up; I feel in some ways at this point in our stupid history it's strange to NOT know someone who has experienced this (including yourself).

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Friday, 16 April 2021 17:09 (three weeks ago) link

I've worked with multiple angry dudes who kept assault rifles in the trunks of their cars. Really don't miss sharing an office with psychotic gun nuts.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 16 April 2021 17:13 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah I had a similar experience at my first job. Nutty firmware guy claimed he had guns in his car. Ended up getting fired after he told me he was erasing all his code because he was mad about something. We had cops guarding the building for a few months.

DJI, Friday, 16 April 2021 17:15 (three weeks ago) link

would be a neat trick to successfully erase all one's code in any contemporary dev shop

Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, 16 April 2021 17:40 (three weeks ago) link

Looks as though that Knoxville shooting was actually the cop shooting himself and then killing the kid. They are refusing to release body cam footage.

JoeStork, Friday, 16 April 2021 17:49 (three weeks ago) link

Was just reading an article about that, though still not sure I understand the timeline. The working theory being the cop shot himself first (to provide cover or a "reason" for what happened next?) then shot the kid?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 April 2021 17:56 (three weeks ago) link

my understanding was there was a scuffle with the kid, the cop's gun went off wounding him, and then he shot the kid. No idea if the shooting was as cover or thinking that the kid had fired the shot or something else.

JoeStork, Friday, 16 April 2021 18:19 (three weeks ago) link

Oh okay, the one article I saw initially said the kid's gun went off during the scuffle, but that wasn't the bullet that hit the cop - which is why I was confused about the timeline. That makes more sense.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 April 2021 18:20 (three weeks ago) link

Disarm the police.

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Friday, 16 April 2021 18:23 (three weeks ago) link

The Knoxville story as we know it for now is summed up in this update from the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation: https://tbinewsroom.com/2021/04/12/tbi-agents-investigating-knoxville-officer-involved-shooting/

Things that are clear from it: The kid had a gun, which "was fired" in the course of a struggle. The bullet from that gun did not hit the officer. The kid was then hit by one or more bullets. The officer was hit by a bullet not fired by the kid.

Things that are not clear: How was the kid's gun actually discharged? Did the bullet from the kid's gun hit the kid, or did it just go somewhere else? Did the officer shoot himself or was he shot by the other cop? How many bullets actually hit the kid? And, really to me the biggest question, why did the officers go barging into the bathroom after him? If they had him trapped in there, they had already neutralized any threat he posed to other people in the school. It's hard to see how they didn't have other options at that point. And I don't think any explanation of that decision is ever going to satisfy a lot of people in the community.

Our city is pretty fucked up over this whole thing. It's going to be ugly for a while.

Not a spree shooting, but it was nonetheless unsettling to be following the Indianapolis news and get a call from my mother in law who was out for her first post COVID shopping trip with a friend, only to get caught in a lockdown at a mall in Ann Arbor with what was originally reported as an active shooter situation. Thankfully she is out safe.

Officers are investigating a report of shots fired at @Briarwood mall. At this time there IS NOT an active shooter and we ask people to avoid the area of the mall while the investigation is in progress.

— Ann Arbor Police (@A2Police) April 16, 2021

America, 2021. Fucking hell.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 April 2021 21:08 (three weeks ago) link

My wife was asked to come in early to work today, but as she was getting ready to go, she got a call to hold off. Apparently there is an active shooter at the Starbucks at the shopping center where she works. At least 3 people shot. Her coworkers are all stuck sheltering in the back of their store right now.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 18 April 2021 17:25 (three weeks ago) link

Jesus. This won’t end until every American has had an encounter with a mass shooting.

In on the killfile (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 18 April 2021 17:34 (three weeks ago) link

Nope. This is in a fairly nice, quiet area, right by my local Trader Joe's. Don't know what the story is yet, but doesn't sound good.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 18 April 2021 17:36 (three weeks ago) link

jesus that's scary. glad your wife hadn't left yet when this happened.

P-Zunit (Neanderthal), Sunday, 18 April 2021 17:59 (three weeks ago) link

Three dead in Austin, Texas:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dead-active-shooting-incident-texas/story?id=77151159

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Sunday, 18 April 2021 18:54 (three weeks ago) link

Three dead in Kenosha, Wisconsin

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/04/18/3-dead-2-injured-in-kenosha-wisconsin-shooting/7276067002/

frogbs, Sunday, 18 April 2021 19:15 (three weeks ago) link

covid's been a monstrous shitty nightmare, but the temporary reprieve from this type of monstrous shitty nightmare was kind of refreshing. back to normal i guess.

glad your wife is okay, moodles, and so sorry this came so close.

cat, Sunday, 18 April 2021 20:45 (three weeks ago) link

One dead in Omaha, Nebraska:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/17/us/omaha-mall-shooting/index.html

too cool for zen talk (Eazy), Sunday, 18 April 2021 20:48 (three weeks ago) link

jfc they're really making up for lost time aren't they

cat, Sunday, 18 April 2021 20:49 (three weeks ago) link

The U.S. was wracked by a record high 610 mass shootings in 2020, the most of any year since the organization began tracking the number in 2014.

well. fuck.

cat, Sunday, 18 April 2021 21:58 (three weeks ago) link

They still haven't caught the guy in Austin, sounds like it was more of a domestic incident and did not actually appear at the shopping center. Her coworkers were finally allowed to leave the stock room and go home about 1 1/2 hours ago.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 18 April 2021 21:59 (three weeks ago) link

How did we have more mass shootings in 2020 during the pandemic?

Nhex, Sunday, 18 April 2021 22:07 (three weeks ago) link

I was wondering the same thing. I thought they were really low and recently spiked again.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 18 April 2021 23:18 (three weeks ago) link

I think they did go down during the worst months, but there were a ton early last year before the pandemic, and then some in the fall too.

I take that back, the summer was the worst. It is part of the overall crime increases that a lot of cities saw — a lot of mass shooting don't register to us as "mass shootings" because they're part of criminal enterprises rather than random events.

It’s being reported that the Austin shooter was a former cop.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 19 April 2021 01:38 (three weeks ago) link

RIP :(

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 April 2021 01:40 (three weeks ago) link


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