there's no correct way to behave and they're of course welcome to do whatever helps, but this whole thing about the survivors reporting on their massacred co-workers and 'we've got a paper to put to bed!' and other journalists saluting their dedication is kinda creepy
― mookieproof, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:42 (five years ago) link
dunno why but i'm guess that this won't turn out to be ~purely~ motivated by a desire to kill journalists. my gut feeling is dude will turn out to have some personal beef coupled with these recent incitements. "hatred of journalists deep enough to kill them indiscriminately" still seems pretty fringe compared to, like, "hatred of black people/LGBTQ/women/Jews/Muslims/etc"
― gbx, Thursday, 28 June 2018 22:07 (five years ago) link
which doesn't make it any less tragic/horrifying, and, if anything, places more blame on milo/trump/et al
― gbx, Thursday, 28 June 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link
Dude allegedly mutilated his fingers to avoid detection but got sold out by big brother. damn.
BREAKING / NBC News: A 39 year old white male has been positively identified through the use of facial recognition software as the shooter at a newspaper in Annapolis, authorities say. A court authorized search of the suspect's home is underway. Reported with @jonathan4ny— Tom Winter (@Tom_Winter) June 28, 2018
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 28 June 2018 23:15 (five years ago) link
https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1439,w_2560,x_0,y_0/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_740/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1492107334/articles/2016/11/08/the-man-behind-journalist-rope-tree/161108-brandy-journalist-shirt-tease_e24aqd
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 28 June 2018 23:39 (five years ago) link
well the shooter's name is out and it doesn't *appear* to be an alt-right dude, rather a guy with a grievance against the capital gazette specifically
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 29 June 2018 01:51 (five years ago) link
that's definitely for the best right now
― frogbs, Friday, 29 June 2018 02:31 (five years ago) link
if only megan mcardle had been there to rush the shooter
even our disesteemed president claimed he would do this
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 29 June 2018 02:35 (five years ago) link
Ramos sued the Capital Gazette for defamation in 2012 after it wrote about his guilty plea to criminal harassment in a 2011 column. His case was dismissed, and an appeals court affirmed the decision.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/multiple-people-reported-shot-maryland-newspaper-office-n887526
― sleeve, Friday, 29 June 2018 02:36 (five years ago) link
for harassing a woman btw
seems to be a leading indicator in these things
― maura, Friday, 29 June 2018 02:43 (five years ago) link
https://twitter.com/EricHartleyFrnd
this is apparently his twitter, I don't know why the name there is 'eric hartley'. I have no fucking idea what he's on about on here.
― akm, Friday, 29 June 2018 02:44 (five years ago) link
Referring to @realDonaldTrump as "unqualified" @capgaznews could end badly (again).http://t.co/SnsooKxcN6Like so:http://t.co/CbalhNM0DR— Jarrod W. Ramos (@EricHartleyFrnd) September 16, 2015
this kind of dude was likely to support trump in general, doesn't mean he's alt-right
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 29 June 2018 02:47 (five years ago) link
true. read up on it; I guess he stalked someone he used to know on FB years ago, became a fucking creep; she got a restraining order; the paper wrote an article about this; then he started suing them for defamation despite the fact everything they published was public record. seems to have held a grudge. fucking nutcase.
― akm, Friday, 29 June 2018 02:53 (five years ago) link
fucking nutcase misogynist
maura's right, there's a pretty clear line through all these guys
― gbx, Friday, 29 June 2018 03:08 (five years ago) link
at the very least it means that unless some new revelation comes out there is officially no reason to pay attention to m*lo on this (or anything)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 29 June 2018 03:19 (five years ago) link
agreed. also i think in the interview cited he said that "killing journalists" (or w/e) was his new response to anyone asking for comment. he's awful, he should be drummed out of public life, and we give him too much credit and oxygen, let him go enjoy his wealth on his lonesome (we'll take it later)
― gbx, Friday, 29 June 2018 03:25 (five years ago) link
Once again the crux of the story is an angry young white man who stalked women. Ugh.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 29 June 2018 03:49 (five years ago) link
he should be drummed out of public life
I don't think that happens in public life anymore, and more's the pity
― Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Friday, 29 June 2018 09:57 (five years ago) link
I thought he had been?
― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Friday, 29 June 2018 10:29 (five years ago) link
Anyway if he's joined UKIP that is surely an admission of defeat/irrelevance, rat joins sinking ship etc.
― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Friday, 29 June 2018 10:34 (five years ago) link
charming as hell
MGM Resorts International has filed federal lawsuits against more than 1,000 Las Vegas mass shooting victims in an effort to avoid liability.
The company, which owns Mandalay Bay and the Route 91 Harvest festival venue, argues that it cannot be held liable for Oct. 1 deaths, injuries or other damages, adding that any claims against MGM parties “must be dismissed,” according to complaints filed Friday in Nevada and California.
“Plaintiffs have no liability of any kind to defendants,” the complaints argue.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/homicides/lawsuits-claim-mgm-has-no-liability-to-las-vegas-shooting-victims/
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:44 (five years ago) link
it was very intelligent of their legal team to put this back in the headlines
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
What's next? Big Tobacco sues smokers?
― StanM, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
This would be big tobacco suing family members of smokers
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 01:56 (five years ago) link
Or 7/11.
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 03:37 (five years ago) link
Big Tobacco suing family members of 9/11 victims
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 04:05 (five years ago) link
The optics are terrible. But presumably this is in response to victim/relative lawsuits.
I've seen the compilation of security footage, and were I a jury member in any of these cases, I'd find no reason to hold MGM responsible. The sort of surveillance, and intrusion into luggage or room privacy that might have prevented this, would also be so oppressive to ordinary non-terrorist customers that they'd choose competing hotels.
If random terrorism by dedicated and secretive perpetrators is to be prevented, its mainly a law-enforcement and firearms law issue.
― Roomba with an attitude (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 05:09 (five years ago) link
If we don’t hold private firms liable for horrible deadly violence that happens on their property, the motivation to change our laws is basically kneecapped. But you do you, my man.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 05:19 (five years ago) link
Presuming you've seen the [NYT video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZRgVX8SYX4), what would you have done differently as MGM?
Should hoteliers track all their guests day by day, when they haven't exhibited any signs of their plans (besides moving luggage into their room on several days)? MGM could perhaps have prevented this, but it would have required that they track every time a high-roller moves luggage into their room, demand to inspect luggage before bringing it to rooms, and staff themselves with enough security personnel to monitor all visitors. No hotelier in the world could do this with every guest, and stay in business.
― Roomba with an attitude (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 06:06 (five years ago) link
Ilxor still doesn’t support Markdown
― devops mom (silby), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 06:15 (five years ago) link
Anyway Tombot’s point is not that there’s an obvious reason to find the hotel liable it’s that nobody is ever going to get a dime out of the gun people and getting a jury to bleed some other deep-pocketed entity when something like this happens could have positive downstream effects on gun policy by obliging said deep-pocketed entities to take a financial interest.
― devops mom (silby), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 06:18 (five years ago) link
That ignores the role of liability insurance. If MGM loses lawsuits, beyond a tolerable (to MGM) threshold the cost is just spread to all hotel guests in the future, through higher insurance premiums paid by hoteliers.
It will always be cheaper to pay insurance premiums than oppressive levels of security, and always be more effective to advocate for gun purchase licencing or other forms of control, than financially punish bystanders.
― Roomba with an attitude (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 06:32 (five years ago) link
^than for intrusive and to many guests intrusive and oppressive levels of security...
― Roomba with an attitude (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 06:34 (five years ago) link
today in least surprising things ever
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-trader-joe-shooting-20180724-story.html
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link
Fucking pigs not releasing the name of the officer
― devops mom (silby), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
That’s my local store, I’m usually in there on weekends with the kid. Chances are I wouldn’t have been there at this exact time anyway, but at the time of this one I was in a plane headed to Chicago. Deplaned to half a dozen texts and I imagined the absolute worst obv, since most of them were cautiously and very vaguely wondering if we were okay because of what happened there. This is bad enough, I recognized her from the store and saw here there within the past week.
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link
Also I think this is the third time in the past couple weeks I’ve noted a story where the police were shooting like crazy with civilians around. One the other one was where LVPD were pursuing a couple guys to a school and one was shooting at them through his own windshield.
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:24 (five years ago) link
Fucking Hell: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/brookside-drive-fredericton-police-1.4780396
― pomenitul, Friday, 10 August 2018 11:49 (five years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/26/jacksonville-florida-mass-shooting
― canary christ (stevie), Sunday, 26 August 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
Fucking christ. I don't live there but I visit that area for concerts often.
Multiple fatalities.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 26 August 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link
Breaking: The shooter was a gamer who was competing in the tournament and lost, one of the competitors told the L.A. Times https://t.co/zsHA2Z6KpJ— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) August 26, 2018
― omar little, Sunday, 26 August 2018 19:25 (five years ago) link
Second gamer murder rampage in a week.
― incarcerated moonfaces (how's life), Sunday, 26 August 2018 19:30 (five years ago) link
https://www.kusi.com/youtube-star-mcskillet-identified-as-mclaren-driver-in-fatal-i-805-crash/
― incarcerated moonfaces (how's life), Sunday, 26 August 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
xps More surprised it was Madden than another game
― Nhex, Sunday, 26 August 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/08/26/mass-shooting-jacksonville-fla-authorities-say/?utm_term=.66d841fb1822
Gun control advocates seized on the moment Sunday to call for action against gun violence.
“My thoughts are with everyone impacted by the shooting today at the Jacksonville Landing — but thoughts are not enough,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said on Twitter. “As we continue to track developments, it’s clear Congress must stop stalling & act to protect Americans from the daily tragedy of gun violence.”
“How many mass shootings in your state will it take for you to do something?” David Hogg tweeted to U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.).
National Rifle Association spokeswoman Dana Loesch, meanwhile, called for an end to “gun free zones” and said security should be in place to keep people safe.
― Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 26 August 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link
Yea that woulda stopped it.
FUCKING ASSHOLE
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 26 August 2018 23:57 (five years ago) link
Just followed up on this and found out the video game shooter went to my high school and grew up on a street where several of my friends lived.
― how's life, Thursday, 30 August 2018 12:42 (five years ago) link
At least two dead and four injured in Cincinnati today: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/crime-and-courts/2018/09/06/active-shooter-multiple-people-shot-downtown-cincinnati-dispatch-says/1210202002/
― Eliza D., Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:02 (five years ago) link
Well this is terrifying and awful
https://www.bakersfield.com/news/six-dead-five-victims-and-suspect-in-southeast-bakersfield-shooting/article_44494978-b700-11e8-b57e-77db47621e40.html
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 13 September 2018 05:19 (five years ago) link