Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

my dad shot guns as a kid, he used to tell me he couldn't hear right for a week after shooting his handgun without earplugs one time.

could have updated any number of threads but jfc, this piece in the Times magazine really brings it home. read here

All the hardest stuff is just alluded to through the reactions of the responders more than directly described and it's still pretty harrowing.

Great job, Davie police:

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/actions-of-gunman-instacart-delivery-driver-justified-in-davie-shooting-incident-police/3019765

I only know one person who a.) owns a gun and b.) had an actual home invasion. Apparently the guy who owned his house before him was a drug dealer (in a suburban subdivision, no less), and some guys who were looking for him broke in one night. Hearing the noise, the guy I know came downstairs with his gun out. Then the burglars saw him and shot him and he almost died. End of story. (The cops eventually caught the guys, but the gun was useless in the scenario.)

i dunno it sounds like it was pretty useful in getting him shot. jeez what a story

Seeing "Each party appeared justified" in the lede of that Instacart story had me thinking someone in the delivery vehicle had returned fire or something, but they literally just went to the wrong house and then hit a rock in the yard (???) while trying to reverse out of the driveway with the homeowner grabbing at the car and brandishing his weapon, which presumably terrified the shit out of them, even before he started trying to shoot out their tires like a fucking NPC in a Grand Theft Auto game

NEW: A Texas man firing an AR-15 in his front yard killed five people in a neighboring home after they asked him to stop shooting because a baby was sleeping. Police said all were shot execution-style; the youngest victim was 8-years-old. #txlege https://t.co/8UsDJ56RfT

— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) April 29, 2023

jeeeesus

holy shit

that is the shit of nightmares, why I frantically tell one of my close friends to avoid engaging other psychotic people in situations where it's best avoided (i.e. road rage)

and yet...what could this family have done, just allowed it to continue?

…

Terrible

It just hit me that there was a baby sleeping in the house and the youngest victim was 8 years old. I guess the only worse thought would be the alternative.

somehow even scarier than your standard mass shooting, knowing he wasn't even planning it, it was merely a guy with a gun being told he couldn't do something

I always wonder how much alcohol plays a role in these things, seems like it’s rarely mentioned but pretty likely to be involved

Enough is enough. There is no reason for citizens to own guns like this.

K3vin I can confidently assure you that have consumed quite a lot of alcohol. As much as, if not more than, most extant humans.

But for some reason I have not shot anybody. Including myself. Maybe the reason is that I don't have a fucking arsenal of lethal weapons in my house? Just guessing here. Perhaps there is another reason.

that’s good…

Alcohol can play a role in violence but to YMP's point it should be easier in society to stop people from possessing deadly weapons than to stop them from drinking

I definitely can remember a time or two where I was more aggressive when intoxicated.

I am not violent and haven't been in a fight since high school but the few times it almost happened alcohol was involved at an egregious level.

Though one could argue one is equally likely to just become disoriented

I am, I think, on record as unabashedly loving both booze and weed. There is an approximately 100% chance that my bloodstream will be contaminated in one way or another this very evening.

Why do I keep not killing anybody? Oh, that's right, because I don't think it's necessary for me (or, indeed, most normal humans) to have deadly weaponry sitting about the house.

Even in the end-times Mad Max apocalypse scenarios some folks have postulated upthread, I'd probably rather be a casualty than a participant.

I don't think anyone has suggested that alcohol is the cause of violent behavior, YMP. But alcohol definitely can erase inhibitions and bring buried anger to the surface. Even then, I think we all understand that in the absence of a loaded firearm, it would be impossible to express that inchoate rage by shooting people.

yep

There are plenty of people who own firearms that get wasted, and don't ... you know

The thing about guns is that you can use them so quickly. Especially if you're someone used to firing your gun. It's much easier for people who are drunk or high to act on a moment's violent or suicidal impulse when they have a gun on them.

It's just so fucking fucked and upsets me so much.

What makes me angry, rather than just sad, is that this horrific event - one more in an endless series - won’t change a fucking thing.

The Tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of grade school children.

Ziggy enablement

btw, here's one basic yardstick of the "shooting spree" thread: show all messages (7711 of them)

An even better yardstick is scrolling through the thread to see how much time passes between revives.

Sadly yes :(

This is obviously what the founding fathers wanted. Liberty means nothing if it’s not accompanied by the senseless deaths of random children.

I’ve announced a $50K reward for info on the criminal who killed 5 illegal immigrants Friday. Also directed #OperationLoneStar to be on the lookout.

I continue working with state & local officials to ensure all available resources are deployed to respond. pic.twitter.com/SpkUgKqKGe

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) April 30, 2023

What a piece of shit

God didn't smite him hard enough.

Fuck that guy

Presume 'info on' is a mistake

Sunday in Mojave, California. 4 dead, shooter at large. Mojave is a low-income town with drug problems, and this happened at a popular drug use spot, per the article.

https://www.tehachapinews.com/news/mojave-reels-from-mass-shooting-that-left-4-dead-no-arrests-made/article_2e1d0380-e8b3-11ed-9718-576f0260d501.html

This thing in Oklahoma with the missing teenagers sure as hell looks like a mass shooting, but they're not calling it one yet

it's a really weird story, i can't get a handle on it

Sounds like a mass shooting/suicide, though unclear how the two teenage girls factored into it. Obviously terrible whatever the story is.

The fuck (Chicago centric, but on topic)

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=811692900321795&set=a.222417455916012&type=3&wtsid=rdr_0dK6ljRMSX1OyaYv5

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/03/pupil-arrested-after-nine-killed-in-belgrade-school-shooting

Horrible

It seems like what happened in Oklahoma was definitely a mass shooting, but maybe they're trying to suppress that part of the story? IDK because maybe it fits too neatly into the Libs' tiresome narrative about how guns are super dangerous and are used in mass shootings every couple of days?

Active shooter situation in ATL.

Definitely bleak as to the frequency of these kicks up, a few more years and we'll be to the point where there is just a constant state of ongoing active shooters somewhere in the country at all times.

I fucking hate this country with every fiber of my being.

As someone pointed out up thread, gun violence in the US resembles an electoral map - the red states with more lax (or nonexistent) gun laws have WAAYYY more gun violence than the blue states with at least a modicum of sensible restrictions

Not a spree, but just as weird and miserable.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/illinois-man-59-fatally-shot-neighbor-using-leaf-blower-yard-officials-rcna81945