It's a mad mad mad mad Bush administration scandal

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Ex-deputy: Gonzales pressed ill Ashcroft

The encounter took place March 10, 2004; the spy program, which was being periodically reviewed by administration lawyers, was due to expire the next day.

Comey described being alerted to the hospital visit after a late-night call from Ashcroft's chief of staff, David Ayres, who relayed that Ashcroft's wife had just received a message from the White House that Gonzales and Card were en route.

Comey said he, FBI Director Robert S. Mueller 3d and others agreed to meet at the hospital, in essence to protect Ashcroft from any effort at being coerced. Shortly thereafter, he said, Gonzales - carrying an envelope apparently containing the presidential spying order - arrived with Card.

"They greeted the attorney general very briefly. And then Mr. Gonzales began to discuss why they were there - to seek his approval for a matter, and explained what the matter was," Comey said.

'Very strong terms'
"And Attorney General Ashcroft then stunned me," Comey continued. "He lifted his head off the pillow and in very strong terms expressed his view of the matter . . . and then laid his head back down on the pillow, seemed spent, and said to them, 'But that doesn't matter, because I'm not the attorney general.' " He said Ashcroft then pointed to Comey as the acting attorney general. Card and Gonzales left.

According to Comey, Card angrily called later to demand Comey meet him at the White House.

"I responded that, after the conduct I had just witnessed, I would not meet with him without a witness. He replied: 'What conduct? We were just there to wish him well,' " Comey testified. Comey said he tracked down then-Solicitor General Ted Olson at a dinner party, and Olson agreed to be the witness.

Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

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Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

What a story, right? The New York Times had an even longer account. Reminds me a bit of Iran-Contra: NSA Bob McFarlane trying to persuade Reagan, recovering from cancer surgery, that "there's other ways" to free the hostages.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

What a bunch of clowns.

Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

Have some real fun -- Powerline's Paul Mirengoff argues for a 'see no evil' approach.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

I like how the acting Attorney General felt the need to bring the Solicitor General to a meeting with Card. Comey definitely knew how to cover his ass around these crooks.

Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

read this earlier

blueski, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

OK this is how government works, generally:

you submit a proposal.
approving authority says Go Ahead.
you resubmit a proposal with some alterations.
approving authority says Stop.
you resubmit again with redactions
approving authority says whatever they say, but YOU made the changes, YOU should know what the problem is without having to go ask STUPID FUCKING QUESTIONS TO A DUDE IN A HOSPITAL.

Gonzalez is a complete fucking idiot, Card is utterly demented, and you'd have to be to work for the executive branch anyway I guess. This is my latest-and-greatest now that nobody's talking about GWB43.com anymore, I really am utterly dumbfounded at the results of this administrations' hiring practices. It's amazing. I bet none of them even know how to Track Changes in a word document.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

that account leaves out the report that ashcroft was so sick his wife had requested no visitors. so what did gonzales and card do? head on down to the hospital!

also in this morning's paper, gonzales pinning the us attorney firings on his outgoing deputy ag. what a weasel.

republicans apparently smelling the blood. hagel calls for gonzales resignation:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/16/AR2007051600804.html

Edward III, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

best part of the entire story=ashcroft lifting his head up in bed, pointing to comey, saying "there's your acting AG motherfuckers," and Card and Gonzo not even saying ONE WORD to comey but turning around and leaving.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Ashcroft revisionism in full effect!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

True or not, it's an awesome story.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

it's true, it's been bouncing around for years

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

http://blog.reidreport.com/2006/01/comey-dont-play-that.html

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

These people are so corrupt that I'm relieved they're incompetent

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Even as much as these idiots are complete fuck-ups and fuckheads, they've been massively succesful at least part of the shit they've deliberately set about to fuck up, from everything like more apparatchiks on the Supreme Court to dumping massive amounts of the Treasury into batshit fanatics and corporate monopolies to fucking over basic science.

kingfish, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

that's democracy though

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

I read the NYT version this morning on the trian, pretty remarkable

boggles the mind to think that the things Bush and Gonzales pushed for (and eventually got) were enough to make ASHCROFT threaten to resign

dmr, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

you're talking about going against congressional and executive precedent which has been repeatedly reinforced over the previous three decades. It's a pretty big deal to just go take the FISA court out of the proceedings and start spying on people wholesale like it's 1959 or whatever, I mean these are things Republicans put in place to protect themselves as well as the rest of the general public.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

gonzalez is the new rumsfeld

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

Ashcroft has always been a man of principle! Totally batshit down-home Pentecostal principle, but principle nonetheless -- I'm kinda fascinated by the dynamic when guys like that run up against the smarmy hard-nosed power-grab insidery element of the right. (We have lots of narratives of vaguely liberal idealists being disillusioned by the sordid realities of politics, but obviously not so many about scary moralistic fundamentalists reaching a similar point.)

nabisco, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

in a horrible twisted way I hope the democratic winner in 2008 uses this executive wartime spying privilege bullshit to completely turn the tables on the right esp. religious elements and gets it all overturned by the supreme court in the process

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

We're really fucked for the next 50 years or so, aren't we.

kingfish, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

Which is disappointing, b/c I had planned on spending my time trying to help us get off this rock, but that ain't happening now.

kingfish, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

in a horrible twisted way I hope the democratic winner in 2008 uses this executive wartime spying privilege bullshit to completely turn the tables on the right esp. religious elements and gets it all overturned by the supreme court in the process

Can Obama get het up over this?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

The NYT version is much better.

Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

Can Obama get het up over this?

do you mean like make a campaign issue out of it? the wiretapping shit is one of those things that should be an outrage but most people either don't care or give Bush too much benefit of the doubt. like "well maybe they went a little far but hey they were overzealous in trying to keep us safe." at least that's my impression.

dmr, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

He could make an issue out of it if he angled it as "betrayal". "We trusted these assholes to make us safe and they betrayed us."

kingfish, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

interesting that the real fundies may be better than the fake ones

gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

I had planned on spending my time trying to help us get off this rock, but that ain't happening now.

-- kingfish, Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:05 PM


Where we goin?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

interesting that the real fundies may be better than the fake ones

-- gabbneb, Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:22 PM (10 minutes ago)

yeah for real

deej, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

Anyone reading this?

Evil geniuses, they are.

G00blar, Sunday, 20 April 2008 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

i never even realized that ppl took ex military brass on tv srsly.

Hunt3r, Sunday, 20 April 2008 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

what i meant here is that i thot ppl realized the probable unavoidable conflict of interest

Hunt3r, Sunday, 20 April 2008 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

I guess...but this goes way beyond a mere conflict of interest. The piece shows that all of the major networks have--since late 2002--depended upon a group of supposedly independent 'analysts' for assessment of military matters. It wasn't just that these analysts work in for consultancies and lobbyists who could benefit financially from the war effort (fucking bad enough), it's that they were government stooges--part of a well-organized, continuing plan to 'psyop' the American public into supporting the war.

G00blar, Sunday, 20 April 2008 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

"With a majority of Americans calling the war a mistake despite all administration attempts to sway public opinion, the Pentagon has focused in the last couple of years on cultivating in particular military analysts frequently seen and heard in conservative news outlets, records and interviews show.

Some of these analysts were on the mission to Cuba on June 24, 2005 — the first of six such Guantánamo trips — which was designed to mobilize analysts against the growing perception of Guantánamo as an international symbol of inhumane treatment. On the flight to Cuba, for much of the day at Guantánamo and on the flight home that night, Pentagon officials briefed the 10 or so analysts on their key messages — how much had been spent improving the facility, the abuse endured by guards, the extensive rights afforded detainees.

The results came quickly. The analysts went on TV and radio, decrying Amnesty International, criticizing calls to close the facility and asserting that all detainees were treated humanely."

Z S, Sunday, 20 April 2008 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

pretty obvious from the beginning what those dudes were doing, but good that it's documented

gabbneb, Sunday, 20 April 2008 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

I'll stop quoting after this, but this is just nuts:

"Many also shared with Mr. Bush’s national security team a belief that pessimistic war coverage broke the nation’s will to win in Vietnam, and there was a mutual resolve not to let that happen with this war.

This was a major theme, for example, with Paul E. Vallely, a Fox News analyst from 2001 to 2007. A retired Army general who had specialized in psychological warfare, Mr. Vallely co-authored a paper in 1980 that accused American news organizations of failing to defend the nation from “enemy” propaganda during Vietnam.

“We lost the war — not because we were outfought, but because we were out Psyoped,” he wrote. He urged a radically new approach to psychological operations in future wars — taking aim at not just foreign adversaries but domestic audiences, too. He called his approach “MindWar” — using network TV and radio to “strengthen our national will to victory.”

Z S, Sunday, 20 April 2008 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

When they said 'hearts and minds', they weren't kidding...

suzy, Sunday, 20 April 2008 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

"The patient didn't die because we botched the operation, removed both his lungs and reconnected his esophagus to his heart. He died because we just didn't show sufficient will to raise him from the dead."

Aimless, Sunday, 20 April 2008 17:46 (eighteen years ago)


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