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What new brews have you been trying? I just had my first Sinebrychoff (Koff) Porter IV, a Finnish beer, and my first taste of Scandinavian darks. It's quite nice, remarkably smooth and drinkable for a dark with 7.2% alc content. Almost a dark chocolate flavour but not in a chocolate stout way and not with any lingering bitterness.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 01:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Last night I drank a Widmeyer Hefeweizen, which I found meh, and a Maresdous 8, which was very tasty in the tradition of tasty Belgian strong ales. A bit on the sweeter side of what I like but not over the line.

Hurting 2, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh, I'll keep an eye out for that. I've been meaning to start exploring Belgian beers. I was putting it off till I'd tried every English stout but I should probably start sooner.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's almost summer! Time to put the stouts away!

Hurting 2, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I had something called Sunset Wheat the other night which tasted like orange and was surprisingly good considering that fact.

Hurting 2, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink


(I'm assuming you're talking about Leinenkugel's Sunset Wheat, which I declared a vendetta against because it is the single least-pleasant beer I have ever had)

bernard snowy, Monday, 28 May 2007 13:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

When I was in Belgium last week I totally was rocking all the kriek. But not the Hoegaarden (because that's utterly disgusting). I also had a Trappist (Chimay Bleu) which was pretty intense at 9% ABV

Stevie D, Monday, 28 May 2007 13:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

sundar iirc you are in OTT or MTL? where are you getting these amazing beers from in whichever of those two cities you're in?

if you are from neither of those places i apologize, i just remember you saying it once or something. i may be making it up.

Will M., Monday, 28 May 2007 14:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm from Ottawa (and lived in Mtl 2001-2002) but I've been living in Buffalo NY for almost 2 years now.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

When I was in Belgium last week I totally was rocking all the kriek. But not the Hoegaarden (because that's utterly disgusting). I also had a Trappist (Chimay Bleu) which was pretty intense at 9% ABV

Where exactly?

nathalie, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

BTW if near West Flanders: Should have tried the Brugse Zot!

nathalie, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

(I would imagine that at least Mtl should have good places for this? I couldn't help you though. I drank Colt 45 from the dep when I lived there. Ah, callow youth.)

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

To be fair, I haven't really looked past my local deps, but the few bars I've found that have bigger selections were pretty disappointing... one place that was recommended highly as a place with a bunch of beers had that greek beer whose name I forget as the rarest one. mythos?

i'll have to check ch0whound or something.

Will M., Monday, 28 May 2007 14:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Let me know if you find (or have had) Dieu du Ciel Aphrodisiaque. The folks rank it as the best sweet stout on earth but I haven't found any around here.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 18:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yes. mythos. it's not bad!

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 28 May 2007 18:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think I am going to drop by Dieu du Ciel tonight, actually. Everything they have is actually to a pretty high standard... the reason you probably haven't found it is because they aren't actually bottling any of their brews yet. Apparently they're opening another brewery north of the city though, and they're going to start bottling there! I can't remember where I heard that. I read it today after doing a bit of ch0whound research. I will see if I can talk to the owners or something tonight (I'm going early so hopefully the place will be near empty, I'm not much of one for the crowd there). I've not had the aphrodisiaque, don't know if it's "in season" (they only brew most things a couple times a year), but if they have it I'll give you a review!

Will M., Monday, 28 May 2007 18:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Where exactly?

Brussels. and Paris, but that's obviously not in Belgium. May I also suggest that if you do go to France and decide to try the local brews, Kronenbourg tastes like piss. stay away.

Stevie D, Monday, 28 May 2007 20:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I've developed a fondness for Zywiec lately - I don't even usually like lagers much but it's so smooth and tasty. Perfect warm weather beer.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 00:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it is. and that red-temperature indicator on the back is key!

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 01:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

König Ludwig Weissbier is majorly tasty, if a bit pricey.

I recently tried this weird Belgian beer, "La Chouffe." Unpasteurized, 8% and quite good. (Although the floaty yeast cultures were somewhat of a turn-off)

Michael Servetus, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I've had La Chouffe - very nice. There are so many good belgian beers it's amazing.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I just remembered I have a beer question:

In Mexico I tried Bohemia (regular, not dark) and it was fantastic - at the moment I thought it was one of the best beers I'd ever tried.

Recently I tried some Bohemia in a U.S. Mexican place and it was meh. Is it possible I was getting a different "export" version, or that the transit did something to the beer?

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Man...I have had so much "skunky" imported beer, could that be it?

On a related note, what do you do when your beer is obviously off and you've already drank a couple? Can you take the rest back to the store.?


Michael Servetus, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Oh yeah, I went back to Dieu, but no Aphro... was available. I didn't get a chance to ask when/if it was coming back... next time! Maybe I'll go tonight, I would like to dig into my new book and my house smells like cat piss and I am not currently poor.

Will M., Tuesday, 12 June 2007 18:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh man! I didn't see that you guys were talking about Biere D'Achouffe. I thought it was a Quebecois beer for so long! True story. Apparently the first place they started exporting to was Quebec! It is very delicious. I don't remember finding any little floaters, though...

Will M., Friday, 15 June 2007 19:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Response from Dieu du Ciel to two questions I asked via e-mail:

Hello Will,

Thanks you for your comments. It is much appreciated.

1-) We brew the Aphrodisiaque only 2 or 3 times a year. The next batch
will probably be avaible something like next september.

2-) Yes, it's true, we are in the process of building up a bottling
plant in St-Jérôme. There will also be a pub there. We hope to be able
to sell our first bottles at the end of July.

[dude's name removed by me]

Will M., Friday, 15 June 2007 21:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

currently - harviestoun Butter and Twisted is amazinhg, but we've just come back from North East France (ie very near the Belgian border and lots of Flemish beer-making tradition) and have been loving L'angelus which is beer's swankiest bottle I fear, gold foil and everything. Also Maredsous, Amadeus (lemon flavoured, should be wrong but oh so right) and god's own beer - Orval.

Porkpie, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

erm that's bitter and twisted of course

Porkpie, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

When alcohol content is shown on U.S. beer, it is often labelled by weight. Since alcohol is lighter than water, this can leave the mistaken impression that U.S. beer has much less alcohol, on average, than Canadian beer. A 3.2% beer in the U.S. (by weight) would be equivalent to a 4% beer in Canada (by volume).

Wikipedia I LOVE YOU. Did anyone know this? It boggles the mind! WHY?!

Will M., Friday, 22 June 2007 18:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

let's have a sesh

hstencil, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink


dan m, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

my girl friend brought me a 6 pack of Hitachino Nest White Ale. Pretty good stuff. nice floral aromas ,perfect for a hot summer day. i think it's kind of pricey though

carne asada, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

link, sorry: Canadian Beer

Will M., Friday, 22 June 2007 18:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Apparently they have Aphrodisiaque in now. And I'm destitute poor and going away for the weekend! NOOOOO!

Will M., Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Recommend some beer. Not too heavy, not too wheaty, crisp and refreshing in the style of Tsing Tsao or similar.

Also recommend some beers like Paulaner or the white Kronenberg with the fruity taste whose name escapes me.

I am in the mood for trying different beers.

Ronan, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Dude, Zywiec

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

(re: light, crisp, refreshing, not wheaty)

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I was at the nashville beer fest and the best thing there was a homebrewed bock that they ran out of by my second go-round. After a while though all you care about is that the beer is cold, because it's nearly august, and you're outdoors in nashville.

I think I might have talked my dad into getting a 30-gallon kit from Boot Lager. (ha ha, "boot lager")

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I also finally made myself a michelada with a little kosher salt on top of a can of tecate with a lime in it. not half bad, if you don't mind a bit of foamy foam foam.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Sundar, have you tried Flying Bison? I can't quite remember which bars serve it (I think the Ulrich's, but they have closed, I think). I miss it dearly.

molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I swore by Aviator Red (which you can get at Wegman's) for a while. I still think it's good but have gone off it a bit. Are there other good FB beers?

I wanted to make it to Dieu du Ciel when I visited Mtl earlier in the month but couldn't make it. Drank a lot of St-Ambroise (and some nice micro wheats) instead.

Sundar, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They have seasonal beers (which I can remember the name of), that friends would bring me in growlers. I never managed to locate the brewery, which apparently is on the West Side (on Niagara, maybe?). Anyway, I remember enjoying the summer and winter ales quite a bit.

Available in Wegmans!? Ahh! This was not so when I lived there! I love you, Wegmans!

molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Dude, Zywiec"

One of the benefits of my area of London filling up with large numbers of young eastern Europeans is the availablity in the cornershops of excellent Polish beers at ridiculously cheap prices.

Zywiec is one of the better ones, at about £1 a bottle. The dark lagers especailly are a revelation.

bham, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ronan WTF?? This is truly a new era for you!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Saku from Estonia is pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Saku or Saku Kuld, anyway. The dark variety has that soy saucey aftertaste I can't get with.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ronan WTF?? This is truly a new era for you!

is this a joke? heh...I don't get it if so. is it that unusual that I ask about trying new beers?

Ronan, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I had a Saku Porter that had a weird aftertaste, that was probably the same one.

Wheats: Last night I was drinking Sprecher Hefe Weiss, which was all right.
Non-Wheats: Last night I was also drinking New Holland Mad Hatter, which was goddamn awesome.

dan m, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I guess I am in the dark :/ I thought you were still teetotalling because of your stuffed-upedness-in-the-cabesa.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Lagunitas is based out in Petaluma and they are a extremely family friendly large brewery that's worth stopping by... food, activities, things on tap that don't see distro. Good spot for lunch imho. Henhouse is also out of Petaluma, they can a lot of good to great beer, definitely also worth swinging by if you can.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:07 (one month ago) Permalink

i like john's marketplace in portland, really good selection

as far as pubs the horse brass is a venerable institution with a good selection

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:58 (one month ago) Permalink

at least in Portland and Bend we will be with beer drinking friends who can help guide me.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 July 2018 23:05 (one month ago) Permalink

Redwood Curtain is in Arcata, just north of Eureka, and they make good hoppy beers and some wild stuff I think. Lost Coast is in Eureka; I like their dark beers. The 8 Ball stout is especially nice. North Coast is in Fort Bragg (north of Mendocino) and makes some excellent stouts, Old #38 Irish and Old Rasputin imperial Russian. The Russian River brewer once said he wouldn't make an imperial Russian stout while Old Rasputin was available. In the Bay Area, I'd look for these breweries on tap: Cellarmaker, Fieldwork, Alvarado Street, Faction, Barebottle, Laughing Monk, Henhouse.

wmlynch, Friday, 13 July 2018 01:39 (one month ago) Permalink

also Revision and Altamont.

wmlynch, Friday, 13 July 2018 01:43 (one month ago) Permalink

I've liked Almanac sours, who are Bay Area but I don't know if they have a tasting room or anything.

nickn, Friday, 13 July 2018 07:47 (one month ago) Permalink

almanac's a good one. they have tasting rooms in the mission and in alameda.

wmlynch, Friday, 13 July 2018 13:58 (one month ago) Permalink

Almanac is a hard pass from me, all their beers taste the same.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 13 July 2018 14:23 (one month ago) Permalink

I like the Farmer's Reserve series from them (but haven't had one in an age). An IPA I had at the taproom was good but not great.

wmlynch, Saturday, 14 July 2018 02:54 (one month ago) Permalink

East coast vs West coast FIGHT!

calstars, Saturday, 14 July 2018 03:03 (one month ago) Permalink

I know I've talked about Blue Owl sour beers a lot, but today I got to visit the brewery and stock up on a whole assortment of sour beers. Was impressed with how busy they were on a Saturday afternoon. Hopefully someday they'll be able to extend their reach beyond Austin because their beer is fantastic.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:33 (one month ago) Permalink

Huh, never even heard of them, will keep an eye out. When I was in Austin, I was loving fresh cans of Live Oak Hefe/Pils everywhere, and Jester King for the more serious beer nerd adventure.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:39 (one month ago) Permalink

love the logo.

wmlynch, Saturday, 14 July 2018 22:17 (one month ago) Permalink

The range of sour beer varieties these guys brew up is kind of crazy. There was a bunch of stuff I decided not to buy today because it was feeling like too much.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 22:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Got the rhubarb compote sour from evil twin, like an alcoholic version of the rhubarb compote my grandmother used to make

calstars, Friday, 20 July 2018 02:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Mmm, that sounds like my jam

Minister of the Pillow (fionnland), Friday, 20 July 2018 08:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Drinking this tonight. What a beer world we live in.

Jeff, Saturday, 28 July 2018 01:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Is it good? Sounds a little nutso.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 28 July 2018 01:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

My wife has had two (2) pickle beers out west. Tastes like ... pickle beer.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 28 July 2018 01:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Even Cel-Rey is tough to stomach. Not sure about pickles ... though it would probably go well with potato products

calstars, Saturday, 28 July 2018 01:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Bartender at Deschutes said most don't make it past trying a sample. But my weird wife went back for more!

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 28 July 2018 04:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

What to drink in Cambridge MA? Or Boston proper I guess, though I may not make it that far.

A Box of After Dinner Comics Shipped to Your House Each Month (seandalai), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 23:38 (one week ago) Permalink

I remember a big 2 story beer hall there with a massive amount of taps but can’t remember the name

calstars, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 00:30 (one week ago) Permalink

you can stick to cambridge and be perfectly happy, here's a quick list.


cambridge brewing co. - o.g. brewpub, makes some interesting wild ales and good stuff across the board
lamplighter brewing co. - cool new brewery/taproom with n.e. ipas and a decent variety of other stuff
aeronaut brewing - technically right over the somerville line but close enough to count...good beer, slightly over-the-top camberville scene, can be fun at times.
remnant brewing - also in somerville, very very new taproom that's got a great space and is flying a little under the radar (or at least it was a month ago, maybe not anymore)


lord hobo - still offers a great taplist beyond the average-ish lord hobo brewing offerings.
5 horses - deeper in somerville but my go-to spot when i'm back in my old neighborhood
bukowski tavern if you're in inman sq. proper
the 2-story bar calstars is thinking of is probably meadhall....if i were in that neighborhood i'd just go to CBC but it does have a huge variety.
russell house is a great all-purpose gastropub

finally here are two more under the radar places i couldn't not recommend:

green st. - short but good beer list, amazing cheap cocktails, good food, cozy.
shay's pub - completely regressive beer list but my favorite bar in the city. minimally changed since the 90s and may it never change more. if you're there on saturday afternoon my pal chris will be playing pavement and silkworm and shit like that, he's the man.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 01:11 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah mead hall, that’s it.

calstars, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 01:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Bukowski has a fantastic beer selection

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 02:04 (one week ago) Permalink

I just bookmarked all of CAD's recommendations.

Is there any place in the city to readily drink Trillium or do you have to go out to Canton to get on-premise pours/tasters?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 02:09 (one week ago) Permalink

there's a handful of places that technically carry trill but ime it's usually just a single tap at best.....they are currently doing a summer beer garden in a great location on the greenway and i think they'll having a roving winter taproom going forward (they did one in the less-visited roslindale neighborhood this past winter but per my inside info they're not going back there). they also have a big new space opening in fort point probably later this year, rock-throwing distance from their original location, so they'll have a permanent city taproom. i welcome this development since canton is a pain in the ass.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 02:21 (one week ago) Permalink


I am tentative for a conference in the Fall pending some other travel... Will be calling you out if it goes through!

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 02:25 (one week ago) Permalink

oh sweet, let's hang if you make it out here

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 02:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Bit of a hopeful punt, but anyone know of any good bars/taprooms in Zurich?

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 09:11 (one week ago) Permalink

xps thanks! I will endeavour to drink as much as possible during my 3.5 day work visit

A Box of After Dinner Comics Shipped to Your House Each Month (seandalai), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 20:39 (one week ago) Permalink

can't think of anything else to do on a work trip. lmk if you end up digging any of those places or find anyplace else you like.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 20:58 (one week ago) Permalink

Exclusive for YOU: @GABF her-story in the making. 2018 will be 1st time since 2002 American IPA is no longer the top entered #beer style. How’s that for a juicy year-one showing?

— Julia Herz (@HerzMuses) August 9, 2018

Jeff, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:32 (six days ago) Permalink

Over 700 hazy IPA’s at GABF this year.

Jeff, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:33 (six days ago) Permalink

I ain’t complaining, but it is fascinating.

Jeff, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:35 (six days ago) Permalink

Hazy IPAs destroy me

calstars, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:11 (six days ago) Permalink

yeah I'm not really into them

sleeve, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:14 (six days ago) Permalink

I could drink Trillium & Hill Farmstead haze all day, but there are so many terrible ones.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:32 (six days ago) Permalink

My wife's theory is that their color makes them very Instagramable, which I guess is a thing.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:48 (six days ago) Permalink

By the way, some random beer data by way of her as well (she works with MillerCoors). Apparently legal pot has depressed beer sales in states where available. Apparently young people today prefer spirits over beer. Apparently younger people like to hang in groups at home rather than go out to bars. Apparently the craft beer market is (duh) pretty saturated.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 August 2018 21:42 (six days ago) Permalink

I try them all that are released locally, many are good. Some are ok. Some are bad.

Jeff, Thursday, 9 August 2018 22:06 (six days ago) Permalink

Only instagramable with a boss pour.

Jeff, Thursday, 9 August 2018 22:07 (six days ago) Permalink

I'm not sure I've had any NEIPAs from bigger breweries, are they any good? Like Hazy Little Thing from Sierra Nevada?

Btw, on my west coast trip I hit Deschutes (which is a nice space) and Crux (which had some really interesting beers) in Bend, and Russian River, in Santa Rosa. I'd had Pliny before, and it's good, but I feel very lucky to live in a city that gets Ninja Vs. Unicorn.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 August 2018 22:23 (six days ago) Permalink

they're pretty forgettable. i've had hazy little thing and couldn't tell you anything about it.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 9 August 2018 23:30 (six days ago) Permalink

They don’t compare with a fresh local. I don’t think anything with a widespread distribution is going to compete with the best locals.

Jeff, Thursday, 9 August 2018 23:33 (six days ago) Permalink

my in-laws are visiting and the only thing that makes it palatable is that they brought some beers from IL inc ninja vs unicorn and this beer i've never had before but is delicious + refreshing snaggle tooth bandana

Mordy, Thursday, 9 August 2018 23:35 (six days ago) Permalink

I like Hazy Little Thing but mostly because it's cheap (was going for about $8 6-pack).

nickn, Thursday, 9 August 2018 23:57 (six days ago) Permalink

Well, it's that time of the year again:

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 9 August 2018 23:59 (six days ago) Permalink

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