Favourite Miyazaki film

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Too much of a foregone conclusion? Let's see.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Spirited Away 20
My Neighbour Totoro 15
Princess Mononoke 11
Kiki's Delivery Service 6
Porco Rosso 5
Laputa: Castle in the Sky 4
Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind 2
The Castle of Cagliostro 1
Howl's Moving Castle1


chap, Thursday, 31 May 2007 12:10 (twelve years ago) link

Where's the Never Seen a Miyazaki Film option?

Tom D., Thursday, 31 May 2007 12:10 (twelve years ago) link

Totoro is the best animated feature made by anyone anywhere.

Tuomas, Thursday, 31 May 2007 12:14 (twelve years ago) link

Totoro v Spirited Away? Tough choice man.

ledge, Thursday, 31 May 2007 12:21 (twelve years ago) link

No 'Panda Kopanda', no credibility.

Stevie T, Thursday, 31 May 2007 12:24 (twelve years ago) link

i saw spirited away away in an empty movie theater

A W E S O M E

the sir weeze, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:27 (twelve years ago) link

Yes of course it's a foregone conclusion, I've only seen Spirited Away from this list and it's one of my very favourite films, as I'm sure it is for many people here, now accept it!

Just got offed, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:37 (twelve years ago) link

You should see some of the others! Not that I'm saying they're better necessarily (I didn't vote for SA but if I thought it was going to be close I might have) but they're mostly very rewarding.

Groke, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:41 (twelve years ago) link

totoro by a whisker, but yeah, there's a lot of full length and studio ghibli side projects missing from this poll!
Besides which, where's Lupin?

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:43 (twelve years ago) link

above all else, miyazaki films are fun to look at

'my neighbor totoro' is quite the head trip in particular

the sir weeze, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:43 (twelve years ago) link

totoro by a whisker, but yeah, there's a lot of full length and studio ghibli side projects missing from this poll!
Besides which, where's Lupin?

All the feature lengths actually directed by Miyazaki are on the list. Castle of Cagliostro is his Lupin film.

Louis - if SA is one of your favourite films you MUST check out his other ones. In fact, why the hell haven't you. There're a couple which are as good if not better.

chap, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:48 (twelve years ago) link

totoro is the best

bell_labs, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

Besides which, where's Lupin?

what the fuck dude

TOMBOT, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:53 (twelve years ago) link

I know totoro or spirited away are going to win but that's because you all hate fun and are girls

TOMBOT, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:53 (twelve years ago) link

OK, OK!

Just got offed, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:54 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.intercom.publinet.it/manga/lupin.jpg

TOMBOT, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:54 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.hkcuk.co.uk/reviews/images/CastleofCagliostro.jpg

TOMBOT, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:55 (twelve years ago) link

Mononoke by several thousand miles of ace!

Suedey, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:58 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah 'cause the whole ghibli OH NO THE CURSE OF ANGRY GAIA-EQUIVALENT WILL DESTROY US GUILTY, GREEDY HUMANS shit needed a fifteenth do-over

TOMBOT, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:59 (twelve years ago) link

Fujiko is the only female character in any of these movies that he couldn't figure out how to totally emasculate by the end of the film, freakin' misogynist

TOMBOT, Thursday, 31 May 2007 14:01 (twelve years ago) link

OK I'm done

TOMBOT, Thursday, 31 May 2007 14:01 (twelve years ago) link

I voted for Mononoke too, cue semi-comprehensible Tombot rant.

chap, Thursday, 31 May 2007 14:03 (twelve years ago) link

(I think miyazaki has made some really beautiful and charming movies that are marvellously put together but that's the absolute best I can say for them, the stories are vaguely nauseating Capra-via-cutesy-animism)

TOMBOT, Thursday, 31 May 2007 14:04 (twelve years ago) link

Nothing beats the nekobasu. Totoro, definitely.

sidenote: when I was hiking in the rainforest over the weekend, a Japanese family passed - two little girls and the mom, singing the opening Totoro song. A pretty perfect moment.

Jaq, Thursday, 31 May 2007 15:32 (twelve years ago) link

Also, Grave of the Fireflies, though beautifully animated, is horrific in so so many ways.

Jaq, Thursday, 31 May 2007 15:35 (twelve years ago) link

Come on, PORCO ROSSO!

Close race between SA, Torotro and Kiki's Delivery service for second place though.

DavidM, Thursday, 31 May 2007 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

good lord porco rosso

TOMBOT, Thursday, 31 May 2007 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

Not safe. I don't mean not safe for work. I mean not safe, full stop.

I am not clicking on this, but lemme guess. Totoro pr0n?

kenan, Thursday, 31 May 2007 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

actually it's just bible quotes, I was suprised

TOMBOT, Thursday, 31 May 2007 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

Porco Rosso is a quirky marvel - although I find the overlong and brutal climactic punch-up rather hard to stomach.

ledge, Thursday, 31 May 2007 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

Porco Rosso was my tick too.

Groke, Thursday, 31 May 2007 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

bump

chap, Sunday, 3 June 2007 21:49 (twelve years ago) link

kiki is the best, then totoro, then nausicaa

J.D., Sunday, 3 June 2007 22:04 (twelve years ago) link

Well, once upon a time it was totoroporn, at least. Probably all for the best it is gone now.

Oilyrags, Sunday, 3 June 2007 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

I've seen all of those but Kiki and Porco (both of which are high on my Netflix queue). I think Castle in the Sky might be my favorite, though. Just great high adventure, and a really imaginative world. Am I the only one that likes The Cat Returns the most out of all the ghibli projects?

Jeff Treppel, Sunday, 3 June 2007 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

Kiki by a mile, of all his childrens' fairy tales it's the one that seems to have the closest handle on the actual experience of childhood. Wonderful little film about adolescence and the irksome relationship between how others treat you and how you relate to your own passions/gifts/art. Also, the most convincing witch-broom-flying ever put on film.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 3 June 2007 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

I saw Totoro again last night, wish I hadn't voted for Spirited Away now.

V, Sunday, 3 June 2007 22:42 (twelve years ago) link

Finally picked Totoro, but dang, that's hard. To be honest, I've liked every bit of Miyazaki I've seen.

Grave of the Fireflies was Miyazaki? I don't think so. Hmmm. That movie wrecked me over. But in a good way.

Hey Jude, Sunday, 3 June 2007 23:24 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think I ever want to see Grave Of The Fireflies again. Great film though.

Favourite non-Miyazaki Ghibli film = Pom Poko.

V, Sunday, 3 June 2007 23:27 (twelve years ago) link

Hmmm, looks like it might be a surprisingly strong turn-out for Kiki (which is great, but relatively low-key and overlooked).

chap, Sunday, 3 June 2007 23:37 (twelve years ago) link

Laputa was always my fave

kingfish, Monday, 4 June 2007 00:05 (twelve years ago) link

Grave of the Fireflies is Takahata, not Miyazaki. Which is why you don't see any of his usual stuff in it - flying, young woman who grows up strong and fearless, wind through tall grass, environmentalism, etc.

Oilyrags, Monday, 4 June 2007 00:10 (twelve years ago) link

Totoro is objectively a better movie, no weak points, but Spirited Away is my favorite for including some epic/dark/whatever parts. (The beginning, the train ride...) Mononoke is overrated and Porco is underrated.

Rich Smörgasbord, Monday, 4 June 2007 00:22 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, Mononoke was a relatively disappointing note for him to have originally retired on. I was volunteered with some japanese exchange students during the summer of 98, and even they agreed. Spirited Away was much stronger, and i need to see a subbed-copy of Howl's Moving Castle to fully get it.

kingfish, Monday, 4 June 2007 00:34 (twelve years ago) link

Grave of the Fireflies opened as a double-bill with My Neighbor Totoro. Which, I don't know, I just can't imagine watching them sequentially.

Jaq, Monday, 4 June 2007 00:35 (twelve years ago) link

I've only seen the last four on the list, but Porco Rosso. The flashback to the war is one of my favorite scenes ever in anything.

clotpoll, Monday, 4 June 2007 00:42 (twelve years ago) link

I rented Totoro for my daughter based on the board. It's a lot more linear, kiddie, and therefore not as interesting to me as Spirited Away, although unfortunately I am a Lynch type. But she liked it.

humansuit, Monday, 4 June 2007 00:47 (twelve years ago) link

Spirited Away is on the tube right now. It's awful good.

forksclovetofu, Monday, 4 June 2007 02:38 (twelve years ago) link

wild theory: Shou (the boy) is actually pregnant...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:53 (two months ago) link

Don’t be silly

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 21 March 2020 23:11 (two months ago) link

rewatching LAPUTA (1984) as i break down to make some room in my flat

tentative critical observation so far: tintin is one visual ancestor (see also KIKI) and YELLOW SUBMARINE another

mark s, Sunday, 29 March 2020 16:14 (one month ago) link

tintin ancestry comes in by way of lupin iii surely

ciderpress, Sunday, 29 March 2020 17:13 (one month ago) link

maybe yeah

mark s, Sunday, 29 March 2020 17:22 (one month ago) link

The dub version of Kiki that's on Netflix is the one with the terrible corny music and the extraneous OTT Phil Hartman dialogue that was eventually pared down. Sucks for folks who will know this version best.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 2 April 2020 02:03 (one month ago) link

oh we watched it the other day and u remember thinking I didn't remember all that stuff

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 2 April 2020 07:36 (one month ago) link

The dub version of Kiki that's on Netflix is the one with the terrible corny music and the extraneous OTT Phil Hartman dialogue that was eventually pared down.

I've never seen it before so don't know what to compare it with, but it doesn't have the "I can talk again!" line at the end that forks rails about.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Thursday, 2 April 2020 07:44 (one month ago) link

https://www.quora.com/Did-Hayao-Miyazaki-really-say-that-anime-was-a-mistake?share=1
Some really funny stuff in here, sure some of you have heard it already but there's some stuff I didnt know. I think he's right about a lot of things but it's often a bit too sweeping. I've heard that he doesn't even like his work being called anime.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 3 April 2020 17:05 (one month ago) link

I used to think that all japanese animation was called anime but apparently that's not the case. I would like to know if anyone could clarify this.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 3 April 2020 17:06 (one month ago) link

ponyo (the only good film) is now on netflix

mark s, Friday, 3 April 2020 19:05 (one month ago) link

obviously i am watching it, i will always watch it

mark s, Friday, 3 April 2020 19:06 (one month ago) link

anime as the term is used in the west just means any animation produced in japan

ciderpress, Friday, 3 April 2020 19:32 (one month ago) link

I can't remember who it was that said differently. Might be something like the way people said gekiga is not manga?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 3 April 2020 19:39 (one month ago) link

when lisa and sosuke are fleeing the tsunami in the little pink car and ponyo is running on top of the storm fishwaves is the most exciting scene in cinema history sorry if this offends

mark s, Friday, 3 April 2020 19:54 (one month ago) link

also the high stylisation of the sea

mark s, Friday, 3 April 2020 19:55 (one month ago) link

ponyo is running on top of the storm fishwaves is the most exciting scene in cinema history

it is certainly the most exciting scene in the film. it is a very good scene! the whole thing, from the old folks home to the house. lisa's driving is terrifying. love how calmly accepting she is at the end, 'my son's favourite human-faced fish has turned into a little girl, ok'. tina fey is a+ voice talent in this.

watched howls, it is now in my top 4. sure the end with the scarecrow/prince is hugely out of the blue but till then it almost matches spirited away for a wild thrill ride. As usual with Miyazaki there is a wealth of detail and a dearth of explanation (this is good not bad), e.g. all the childhood ephemera in Howl's bedroom. The only thing I thought was unduly skipped over was a scene with the witch of the waste: after she's had her powers taken she becomes entirely simple, except briefly after Sophie's mum visits she perks up, deals with the black wriggly spy thing, smokes a cigar and says she wants a little chat with Howl - but then she goes right back to being simple and it's not mentioned again. I've started reading the book, will be interesting to see how much of this is fleshed out. Already some major changes - Sophie's sisters are dispensed with, Howl saves Sophie from sleazy pickup guys but in the book he is the sleazy pickup guy!

Paperbag raita (ledge), Monday, 6 April 2020 10:30 (one month ago) link

... also love how sophie occasionally wavers between an old woman/a not so old woman/her normal younger self.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Monday, 6 April 2020 10:38 (one month ago) link

The film takes a sharp left turn from the book round about the time Sophie meets the King, iirc. It's more 'inspired by' than 'based on' from that point on.

la légende d'beer (Matt #2), Monday, 6 April 2020 11:21 (one month ago) link

@mark s:

I mentioned upthread that Ponyo might dip a little too deep into the well of Northern European folklore (HC Anderson/R Wagner) for the typical Ghibli fan. Did you find it a more "classics"-informed tale than the other Ghibli films you've watched?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 6 April 2020 15:21 (one month ago) link

you said before yes but i'm not sure i get it? (well i get HCR i guess somewhat but wagner? do i just not know enough abt the submarines in wagner?)

on the whole ponyo seems *less* european to me than many of the others (if european means euro kidlit across the 20th century, which they are full of): its setting is the tsunami-threatened present-day japanese coastline, with warning loudhailers on poles and etc

mark s, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:23 (one month ago) link

i agree that it's a little different from the rest of studio ghibli tho

mark s, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:24 (one month ago) link

the Ponyo score pretty much co-ops Wagner's Walkürenritt for Ponyo's "tsunami" chase, from the part of the opera when Brunhilde and her valkyrie sisters are trying to return the One Ring to the Rhine.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 15:25 (one month ago) link

ah ok!

mark s, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 15:30 (one month ago) link

might fuck around and rewatch PONYO (2008)

mark s, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 18:49 (one month ago) link

actually i already started, love how utterly fkn wired and exhausted her dad looks from the get-go

mark s, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 18:50 (one month ago) link

he's all jacked up on that elixir.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:14 (one month ago) link

also how recklessly sosuke's mum drives, she reminds me of mine getting me to school in like 1969 lol

mark s, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:19 (one month ago) link

Rewatched Ponyo with daughters yesterday - it's #2 daughter's fave now - and was struck again by the sheer loveliness of their little boat put-putting over the flooded motorways as the Cambrian fishies ("IT'S DEVONICUS!") loom beneath them.

Stevie T, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:27 (one month ago) link

semi-convinced that there's a thread in ponyo -- part visual part story-content -- that goes back to a rupert the bear story i dragged my old rupert annuals off their high shelf and finally checked, and tbh (a) no, the two elements i thought were in one single story are in two quite unrelated stories (rupert at greyrocks cove in 1961, rupert and the whistlefish in 1969, if yr keeping count) so i think my grand theory fails BUT someone at ghibli nevetheless reads rupert the bear books imo

mark s, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:54 (one month ago) link

j forgot what b was, i think it's somewhere in what i wrote

mark s, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:55 (one month ago) link

Halfway through Pom Poko, <3 <3 <3 (those are hearts not racoon balls.) Wasn't expecting a rendition of the best non M.R. James ghost story Mujina, turns out Mujina is another word for raccoon (raccoon dog, techinally).

a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Friday, 10 April 2020 20:13 (one month ago) link

We watched Pom poko last week and it manages to balance the watership down sadness, with being absolutely hilarious.

I should read more tanuki mythology.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-tanuki-japan-s-trickster-god

There’s some great tanuki testicle tricks ukioe prints in that article.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 10 April 2020 23:19 (one month ago) link

yeah, either the sombre narration (though not untempered with dry humour) or the WBesque raccoons would be too much by themselves. was trying to place the narrator but i had to look it up in the end: "what are the raccoons going to do tonight? the same thing they do every night pinky: try to take over the world!"

a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Saturday, 11 April 2020 10:35 (one month ago) link

i saw princess raccoon at the ica a while back, with several fellow ex-ilxors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Raccoon

the story i remember little of, the sense of ramshackle panto-level mise-en-scene lingers more strongly

mark s, Saturday, 11 April 2020 13:48 (one month ago) link

not Miyasaki, not even Ghibli, but Studio Ponoc's Mary and the Witch's Flower

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_and_the_Witch%27s_Flower

is on film4 currently. so i guess it'll start on film4+1 in ~40 minutes.

not seen it but it is well regarded.

koogs, Monday, 13 April 2020 10:22 (one month ago) link

(which is based on another english children's book)

koogs, Monday, 13 April 2020 10:25 (one month ago) link

This is on Netflix in the US, pretty good movie.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 13 April 2020 13:06 (one month ago) link

Whisper of the heart: did not finish.

a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Saturday, 18 April 2020 20:41 (one month ago) link

Then you missed her awesome story she wrote

I got 5G on it (Matt #2), Saturday, 18 April 2020 20:52 (one month ago) link

i skipped through and found an intro and another scene but hardly a story - is there stuff that's narrated but not shown?

a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Monday, 20 April 2020 12:55 (one month ago) link

apologies for my disrespectful treatment of ghibli/miyazaki.

a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Monday, 20 April 2020 12:56 (one month ago) link

it's kondō (rip)!

i saw that on the big screen a month or so before the theaters all closed, and found it very soothing and charming and absorbing and unique (?). nice chill slice of life, the coming-of-age of a creative person but without any forced crises or overblown obstacles. the family doesn't always get her but they're supportive, the biggest problem is a snafu with a friend whose crush likes the wrong person, etc. i was also very ready for it to be done when it was done, and didn't much love the ending, but idk it put me in a very nice mood. prob not for everyone tho, and def doesn't scratch the same itches as miyazaki.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 20 April 2020 13:13 (one month ago) link

continued apologies for disrespectful treatment of kondō (though miyazaki did write the screenplay).

a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Monday, 20 April 2020 13:16 (one month ago) link

I was looking forward to The Wind Rises (spoilers follow), I wasn't aware of any controversy and vaguely thought it was universally acclaimed. The opening was charming, all the dream sequences delightful, the sound design outstanding. But I had misgivings early on; in the earthquake and fire he saves the woman because he's a Good Guy but he's materially and emotionally unaffected by the devastation - the library's on fire as he arrives at the university but he laughs it off, books are replaceable after all. I kept on waiting for some moral payback from his war work but it never came, aside from a platitude about the pyramids and the aeroplane graveyard at the end. His colleague and friend recognises the poverty caused by the government's economic policy but happily accepts their paycheck and ultimately dismisses the idea that they are in the arms trade. And then there's Jiro calmly working long hours away from home and late into the night at home on his machines of death as his wife basically lies dying beside him. I found Miyazaki's choices here disappointing, considering the strong sense of humanity and anti-war themes in the rest of his filmography.

a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 07:38 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

When Marnie was There: emo girl gets pally with ghost. 'Emo girl' is reductive and unfair but she's a cartoon so that's ok. I stuck with this but it never transcended its obvious young adult themes, though the ending was pretty moving.

The Tale of Princess Kaguya. Loved the drawing style except for the caricatured characters - the giant headed mum, the pointy headed tutor, the pointy chinned emperor - which I hated. Good story.

a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Monday, 11 May 2020 13:20 (two weeks ago) link

only watched the beginning, but a 30 min bts/doc about Kiki's location/inspiration in Stockholm & Visby.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:22 (five days ago) link

https://vimeo.com/386087768

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:22 (five days ago) link

This now-cafe was the inspiration for Gütiokipänjä Bakery.

https://goo.gl/maps/8rgAjWcBcMjeG1hk6

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:36 (five days ago) link

HM's comments: https://vimeo.com/45200524

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:45 (five days ago) link


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