Is there some stupid role that says you can't start a sentence with an adverb?

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because my editor seems to think so!

Tape Store, Thursday, 21 June 2007 22:59 (eighteen years ago)

Surprisingly, you can, and it's called a disjunct.

emil.y, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:00 (eighteen years ago)

She got rid of 'consequentially,' and I don't think it makes sense. :(

Also, the word 'so,' which also had a purpose... :( :(

Tape Store, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)

What was your sentence (before she changed it)?

ailsa, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:13 (eighteen years ago)

some stupid role? i would thank your editor.

lfam, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:14 (eighteen years ago)

"Consequentially, the y0ung singer started churning out more straightforward pop tracks with last year’s A Girl Like Me."

p.s. please shut the fuck up, lfam

Tape Store, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:17 (eighteen years ago)

but feel free to make more enlightening threads like this!

Tape Store, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

There's a difference between typos and cutting out whole words. Did she cut 'consequentially' entirely, or replace it with something like 'therefore'? Mind you, I completely overuse 'therefore' and 'thus' etc as starting words for sentences, and these things may be verboten to style guides, so I'm perhaps not the best judge.

emil.y, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:20 (eighteen years ago)

no...got rid of it completely

Tape Store, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:20 (eighteen years ago)

"consequentially" is a fucking horrible word, though, anywhere in a sentence. i'd need more context, but i think i'd have rewritten that somehow.

but there's nothing wrong with adverbs (or conjunctions) starting sentences per se.

grimly fiendish, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:21 (eighteen years ago)

(just getting rid of it completely is stupid, though.)

grimly fiendish, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:22 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, wait, I am drunk, and seeing the sentence makes it mean something slightly different. I imagine the removal would make it make less sense, yes. Has it already gone out? If she doesn't like it then your best bet is asking to rephrase it, as you can create the same meaning without starting with an adverb there, I think.

emil.y, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

I'm with GF, I can't imagine the context in which "consequentially" is the best word? Consequently? As a consequence/result?

(note, I'm not any form of editor, just a pedant when it suits me)

ailsa, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:25 (eighteen years ago)

emil.y ot.m

grimly fiendish, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:26 (eighteen years ago)

Haha, is for Exeposé?

elan, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:26 (eighteen years ago)

fwiw, I think consequentially is a little overboard here.

elan, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:28 (eighteen years ago)

"Consequentially" doesn't mean what you think it means -- it denotes something done in a manner that's significant, important, weighty, of consequence.

What you want is something more like "As a result, ..."

nabisco, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)

it's five syllables of distraction

elan, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)

that too

elan, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)

haha...you're all correct. It should have been consequently. I'm an idiot. She is, too?

Either way, it's in print. It doesn't read well. etc. Thx.

Tape Store, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:32 (eighteen years ago)

As for general rules, yes, there is such a thing as a "sentence adverb" or "disjuct" where an adverb modifies the entire sentence: "Amusingly enough, they never found the place!"

Some old-school sticklers object to this, based (presumably) on the notion that adverbs should be directly modifying verbs, not whole clauses, and that using them as "sentence adverbs" can create slippage and confusion and kill off old uses: "Hopefully we will find it" commonly means "I hope we will find it," but might traditionally mean "We will find it in a hopeful manner/style."

nabisco, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:37 (eighteen years ago)

i remember learning that when i was a kid - it was in a babysitters club book

rrrobyn, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

Ja, nabisco, that's what I realised when I read the sentence - I was thinking of 'consequentially' as a 'therefore' equivalent, but it is not. However, one can get the context fairly well from that sentence, and I can't imagine it saying even nearly what it wants to with a word completely missing.

emil.y, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:44 (eighteen years ago)

Curiously, I like sentence adverbs.

emil.y, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, without the adverb, it's just a statement in its own right without a link to whatever the sentence was that came before.

ailsa, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:48 (eighteen years ago)

without the adverb

(or a replacement for the adverb, if you prefer)

ailsa, Thursday, 21 June 2007 23:49 (eighteen years ago)

Also, the word 'so,' which also had a purpose... :( :(

This is often seen as too informal.

jaymc, Friday, 22 June 2007 00:20 (eighteen years ago)

this thread definitely appeals to my nerdy side

Surmounter, Friday, 22 June 2007 00:44 (eighteen years ago)

In which case, you really want this thread ( ATTN: Copyeditors and Grammar Fiends) for all your grammatical nerdy needs.

ailsa, Friday, 22 June 2007 06:38 (eighteen years ago)

I think I'd have scrapped consequentially, too. I mean, did you really precede the sentence with the reason why she started putting out more straightforward pop tracks? Sometimes less is more. Also, if you get sensitive about every little precious word, even throw-away words like "consequentially", you'll be getting irked at editors a LOT.

Maria :D, Friday, 22 June 2007 07:06 (eighteen years ago)


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