Neal Stephenson said in an interview a few years back his _Cryptonomicon_ book was once reviewed with the line, "This is a book for geeks and the history buffs that they turn into."
here's the bit:
There was a review of "Cryptonomicon" with a line in it that struck me as interesting. The guy said, "This is a book for geeks and the history buffs that they turn into." I'm turning into one. I'm in this history book club, which is not all geeks but it's definitely got some serious geeks in it. It's been going for four or five years maybe. We're all consistently dumbfounded by how interesting history is when you read it yourself compared to how dull it was when they made you study it in school. We can't figure out why there's that gap. I think they try to cover too broad a sweep at once so you never get down to the individual people and their stories. It's all generalities.
This strikes me as being really true. Most of the people i know(online or not) who are historically bent have been geeky types, and most of the geeky types really get into certain aspects of history.
I mean, hell, even on here there's more a few of us who really dig on WWII, and we have a sister board chock full of people obsessed with the history of pop music. My question is why? Is it a matter of an above-average interest somehow translating into an investigation of the subject or its background?
― kingfish, Monday, 2 July 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link
define "geek"
(I mean I feel I've always been one, and history has always been interesting to me as well - tho largely thx to my history-teacher dad and our family background)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 July 2007 21:30 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost: A strong tendency to want to dig deeply into subjects is sort of what makes one a "geek" in the first place, I guess. As for history in particular, it can be seen as a sort of catch-all phrase, can't it? History = all things that have happened, ever?
― anatol_merklich, Monday, 2 July 2007 21:31 (sixteen years ago) link
most of the computer/techie geeks I know don't give a fuck about history, for ex. Most of them aren't even remotely familiar with anything pre-their own birth.
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 July 2007 21:31 (sixteen years ago) link
btw I hate Neil Stephenson
it can be seen as a catch all phrase, but geeks tend to have certain subject areas that they glom onto most.
― kingfish, Monday, 2 July 2007 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah the intention wasn't really to make the question look vacuous or anything, it is interesting. This same process has happened to me btw, I've become much more interested in history (starting with Greek and Roman stuff when learning the languages) as I've grown older.
― anatol_merklich, Monday, 2 July 2007 21:39 (sixteen years ago) link
you learned latin?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 July 2007 21:40 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't agree with the premiss.
― That one guy that quit, Monday, 2 July 2007 21:43 (sixteen years ago) link
not coz i did history for my degree, nooooooo.
I've always been interested in history and have always been a geek. I studied history in university and wrote a dissertation on the historiography of Stalinism. Apart from Stalinism I've always been interested in the independence wars of Latin America and Simón Bolívar.
― jim, Monday, 2 July 2007 21:44 (sixteen years ago) link
i kind of hate how anyone remotely interested in history gets called a "buff," like it's somehow weird or unusual to have an interest in history.
― J.D., Monday, 2 July 2007 21:47 (sixteen years ago) link
I prefer "nerd"
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 July 2007 21:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Pretty standard. Hell, you can't be interested in politics w/o being called a "wonk". Works great as a dismissive term, too, apparently.
― kingfish, Monday, 2 July 2007 22:00 (sixteen years ago) link
policy wonk history buff computer geek
what others are there
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 July 2007 22:06 (sixteen years ago) link
porn hound
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 July 2007 22:07 (sixteen years ago) link
English Civil war, long form from magna carta to the american civil war
― Ed, Monday, 2 July 2007 22:07 (sixteen years ago) link
The entire steampunk genre (writers, gamers, tinkerers, etc.) to thread!
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 2 July 2007 22:08 (sixteen years ago) link
I loved history (modern and ancient) when I was in school. I still love it now, going through phases of being interested in different things (second world war, English civil war, colonial expanision in Asia, etc.).
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 2 July 2007 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Been on a long run of World War One reading myself with sidetracks into the Crimean War, the whole monarchy->nation state transition, and the marketing/iconography of the same via world's fairs, etc.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 2 July 2007 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link
I started as a history buff and it's never really left me. I am interested in a lot of things but the oldest, most enduring and most irrational fixations are:
Anglo-Saxon and Viking Era England; The Angevin Empire; The Wars of the Roses; The English Civil War; The Enlightenment, esp. wrt the French Revolution; and The American Civil War.
― Michael White, Monday, 2 July 2007 22:15 (sixteen years ago) link
I guess one could really start with pre-norman law and the law of the forest
― Ed, Monday, 2 July 2007 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link
"law of the forest"?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 July 2007 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link
i like history OF THE FUTURE
― rrrobyn, Monday, 2 July 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
I am obsessed with the history of the city of berlin 1918-1989
― admrl, Monday, 2 July 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
As for me, I can't sever my love for literature from history. How can you?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 2 July 2007 23:05 (sixteen years ago) link
"most of the students I know" obv
religious history, heretical Christian theology/sects
― milo z, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:59 (sixteen years ago) link
is this the one that turned Karl Marx into a Marxist, or am I thinking of something else?
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 13:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Mister M is a huge nerd in every respect, right down to his love of history, particularly classical Greek and Roman, and history of organized religion.
I like to read narrative histories about exploration, the Enlightenment, whaleboats being stove in by whales (there are more of these than you would think), and Nelson's navy.
My problem is that I can retain none of the information I read. We were having a conversation about the Cathars the other night and not one thing could I remember except that they were all killed or something.
― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 13:22 (sixteen years ago) link
You and me both. As a result I don't consider myself a "buff" (that sounds like a masturbator extraordinaire somhow) by any stretch, nor really an interest of mine. I mean, I am interested in history but I forget 99 procent of what I read anyway. :-(
― nathalie, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 13:27 (sixteen years ago) link
I remember everything... except things I am studying for my course.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe you need to not look directly at your coursework, or pretend to your brain that you are not studying, but reading for fun. That'll fix it. Stupid brain.
― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 13:33 (sixteen years ago) link
a "buff" (that sounds like a masturbator extraordinaire somhow)
I will never be able to look at Buffy the Vampire Slayer in the same way ever again.
― StanM, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 13:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway, my list:
American Revolutionary War American Civil War WWII the Space Race the Civil Rights era
And plenty to do with the history of science & technology. Big James Burke fan(new book comes out tomorrow!) It's one of the main reason I dig on the Civ games so much. It's fun to march your little empire up the tech tree as fast as possible.
― kingfish, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link
whaleboats being stove in by whales
Hunh, hadn't thought of that as an area of historical inquiry. How much lit about this is out there?
― kingfish, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I was perhaps exaggerating, but I've read three books about the whaleship Essex, including Nathaniel Philbrick's EXCELLENT In the Heart of the Sea. Then there's the true account by two guys who lived through it. Then there's Moby Dick, which is based on the same story, but with extra bits thrown in.
― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, and there's one by Thomas Farel Heffernan, who also wrote about the mutiny on the whaleship Globe.