TS: jonathan ross vs terry wogan

How much does Jonathan Ross charge for charity gigs?

Wogan is a curmudgeonly egomaniac, but an amusing one. Ross is an obsequieous egomaniac, but an amusing one. Score draw. I actually quite like both of them.

I was about to say same (though not worded so exquisitely as Ailsa was able to do). I think however that I'd vote for Ross. I haven't seen any new Wogan programs/presenting. I used to watch his talkshow every week when I was, uh, young(er).

well i was thinking of wogans old chatshow vs ross' current one. i just find it hard to watch ross interviewing people. he makes it all about him.

Wogan is pretty egocentric on his radio show, more so than Ross on his, but the opposite is true on TV. The only one of Wogan's recent chatshows I have seen was the Dallas one, which was really entertaining.

Ross loses points for his continual mutual backslapping with Gervais.

(actually I don't think it's that mutual, tbh, because that would involve Gervais thinking about someone other than himself for a second)

ross' interview with that actor from dirty pretty things on film 2007 was one of the most embarassing interviews i think ive ever seen. he didnt ask one decent question. it was like he didnt even bother preparing for it. i felt quite sorry for the actor. barry norman>>>ross.

i suppose the main problem i have is that ross is on bloody everything on the bbc! (although he was less irritating than i thought he might be presenting live earth).

Yeah, Barry Norman is sadly missed on Film 200X. Jonathan Ross has some degree of knowledge about and enthusiasm for the things he likes, but he's not much of a cultural commentator on the whole. His radio show's generally great, but I think a lot of that boils down to the music choice, mainly made by his producer (who used to be on his TV show too, before getting booted)

Oh, I don't know. Barry Norman had become an awful old curmudgeon who seemed to have developed a real distaste for novelty. He seemed kind of jaded by the time he left. Although he certainly did piss all over Ross when he was at the height of his powers.

I like both Ross and Wogan on the radio, I like Ross's in-betweeny bits on his television programme, but I hate him actually trying to interview anyone, especially women. He's appallingly sexist.

Ross had Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst on his TV show a couple of weeks ago, that was excruciating. Maguire didn't get his humour at all, yet he kept ploughing on at him regardless. Dunst was finding it funny, but she might as well not have been there, basically because he had no knob gags to make to her.

that interview with nicole kidman was quite good i thought, if only cos she was quite rude back to him.

Maguire didn't get his humour at all, yet he kept ploughing on at him regardless.

He seems to only have two settings: knob joke and deferential. Deferential for people like Russell Crowe, of whom he was clearly terrified when he met him, and knob joke for everyone else. And if you don't get knob joke, then it's too bad for you. I remember his interview with Denzel Washington was awful as well, because he kind of didn't get it either, but he was pretending he did.

He also loves to step all over the punchline of any story the guest might be telling, especially if the guest is a comedian. In this, he reminds me very much of my dad.

I do appreciate his (even sexist) jokes partially because, when it's an American or a humourless actor/actress, you can tell they are so accustomed (?) to the free publicity interviews. (I say American, cause most English celebrities know of him and his style of interviewing.) Of course the ones that Ross does are free publicity as well, but he at least doesn't do the cliché lame-oh questions. Shit, I just mean , in small doses, he's quite entertaining.

neither, both are entirely contemptible

On Saturday's evidence, infinitely better than either Graham Norton or Edith Bowman.

Is Graham Norton that bloke who likes to pretend he's a squeaky teddy bear? He seems extremely annoying to the point I don't know what the fuck he's on about.
Never heard of Edith Bowman to be honest.

She is very butch. Or at least tries to be.

The point where Ross abruptly had to terminate an earnest discussion on climate change with David Baddiel and an environmental specialist in order to cut to Butch Bowman interviewing the Beastie Boys said even more about the event's failure to convey its message than Terence Stamp's address repeatedly being broken up by chants of "Madonna, Madonna" every time he paused. So much for policital entryism.

Do we have any pics of Wogan's missus so we can fairly compare the two?

Ugh, David Baddiel - all that humanities undergrad waffle about 'mankind has always needed some sort of apocalyptic scenario' - thanks Dave but not sure how that refutes the science exactly. On the other hand, it was sort of amazing to see how easily wrong-footed ace reporter David Shukman was over Baddiel's question about the oceans warming up.

The Beastie Boys themselves appeared to die like the proverbial louse in the Russian's beard.

As he ages, Ross is apparently turning into Wogan before our eyes. The phoney self-deprecation, the mannerisms, the surprised looks to camera. Even physically, as his face gets saggier.
Like dogs that start to look like their owners (or is it the other way round?)

I guess it was either that or turn into Simon Dee, as was a brief possibility in the early nineties (Jonathan Ross' Fantastic Facts, anyone - reputedly the lowest-rating show in the ITV Saturday peak time slot ever, lower even than Phillip Schofield's It's Now Or Never?).

Lower than that Bradley Walsh show that got cancelled after one episode?

Ah, Sports Addicts...

Marcello, did you hear Ornette on the Today programme today? They trailed the interview with a short blast of music and James Naughtie reacted with a disgusted 'ugh' as though a fat dog had just farted in his face. Anyhow, Ornette >>>>> Naughtie > Wogan > Ross.

Much as Jack De Manio did in the Today programme circa 30 years ago when he came over for the Bracknell Jazz Festival.

Anyway, Ornette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other music, especially if his gig tonight's as good as Cecil T's was last night.

http://youtu.be/GcfLzuBQADs

i cried laughing at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcfLzuBQADs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

rolling is this racist, but holy shit

there are a few bits that i am actually dying with laughter at. the "selectaaaa" and obv when he eventually starts rapping, it's just fucking ridiculous.

got bored of all the hold tights 6 mins in tbh

just cut to 12 mins 30...

ok lol

and 8.50

Rumours aboud that Terry's favourite band was the Velvet Underground.

Citations?

neither, both are entirely contemptible
― lex pretend, Monday, 9 July 2007 08:03 (8 years ago) Bookmark Flag PostPermalink

^^^^^^

Largely how I feel tho maybe a tad strong for my feelings about Wogan

i love wogan tbh.

ross is so so so much worse than tel could ever be.

definitely, but I listened to Wogan a lot as a kid and I've never really connected to him - too glib for me, albeit in a different way than Ross

The Secret Pirate Radio thing above, which is all over my Facebook, captures something though, about how he's always seemed more audience-focussed than a lot of his peers (despite never as far as I know actually doing any old school pirate radio - he was straight RTE->BBC).

I'll go one further than LG - I liked him doing Eurovision, and can barely listen to Graham Norton.

Agree with LG, Wogan was charming and comforting, Wossy is mostly an obnoxious bore.

Also apparently (true story - I definitely read it) - Wogan was the first person to play Reggae on the BBC in 1968.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jan/31/terry-wogan-intriguingly-subversive-national-treasure

Such sharp humour was most apparent on air in Wogan’s laconic television commentaries on the Eurovision Song Contest, which were reputed to have brought protests to the BBC from the broadcasters and even ambassadors of some of the countries whose competitors he skewered. He escaped discipline, though, because these voiceovers were another example of his clever use of found material. Most often, he was merely reciting, with a slight inflection of scepticism, the descriptions of the host nations or songs distributed by publicists.

Anyone talked about his eurovision meltdown or was it all part of this subservise act?

did he have a meltdown?

He quit live on air didn't he? Accusing Eastern Euro/Russia of bloc-voting iirc

I'll go one further than LG - I liked him doing Eurovision, and can barely listen to Graham Norton.

Ruined it more like, insisted on treating it as a big joke long after it had ceased to be a joke, xenophobic old fart, and what's with these Union Jack waving Irishmen and who are more British than the British, sure didn't a few of youse die so you didn't have to wave the Union Jack anymore?

He quit live on air didn't he? Accusing Eastern Euro/Russia of bloc-voting iirc

― xyzzzz__, Monday, February 1, 2016 12:54 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He stayed to the end of the particular show.

So, bloc-voting means that the same countries win every year, right?

People forget that his chat show was a total dog too, and the Beeb kept dragging it on and on in the hope that it would get better, but it never really did. I hear he was good on radio though.

So, bloc-voting means that the same countries win every year, right?

That's why it was stupid. iirc someone did a few sums and there was no conspiracy as such. It was just xenophobic shit.

Of course, still better than Jonathan Ross.

Exactly. xpost.

Wogan statue unveiled in Limerick yesterday. the state of it

https://www.thesun.ie/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/06/nintchdbpict000334099076.jpg?strip=all&w=650&quality=100

Och, not so bad. They're always terrible. These statues.

I was there. Briefly, and hungover, but I witnessed

Microphone size and placement looks... wrong

I guess it's no worse than the average but the brown leather jacket colour is pretty nasty

Not only is the microphone slightly, er, odd looking it's not even the microphone associated with Wogan, that would the long thin one he used on Blankety-Blank. Of course it would be forever being snapped off by assorted scallywags and wrong 'uns which I'm sure are as prevalent in Limerick as they are anywhere else - maybe more, I know nothing of Limerick tbh.

you're on the right track

It's missing a certain something

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04/08/article-0-01F9E19F000004B0-441_468x348.jpg

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