Jewish Nazis - What's All This About?

Oops shit:

I don't know how Jewish they were, I'm guessing not very

The suspects all migrated to Israel under the Law of Return which allows anyone with at least one Jewish grandparent to become a citizen.

Ms Almog said of the accused, "their connection to Judaism is distant, through grandparents or distant family connections".

Claiming Jewish heritage so you can go attacks Jews. WTF.

Didn't Hitler have a Jewish granny?

I'm guessing these guys are in for a bumpy ride in prison

depends -- i would imagine israeli prisons harbour one or two people who are less than sympathetic to the jewish faith, no?

hitler's grandparent being jewish is an old and still disputed meme:

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_325b.html

http://www.benbuck.net/blog/2007/06/contradictions-of-jewish-identity.html

Typical self-loathing Jews, amirite??

hitler's grandparent being jewish is an old and still disputed meme:

Aye, but like all good memes, it needs to be said.

why? i'm not sure why ppl cling to that as if that would somehow make anything about the holocaust or hitler better or more understandable.

Claiming Jewish heritage so you can go attacks Jews. WTF.

Yeah, but it's just as possible that they emigrated for economic reasons, or because of their families (they're young), and just turned out ... extremely anti-social about it.

(NB: I'm not saying this makes it better, just that it seems like a possibility.)

Very likely even - there are lots of Russians with at best vague Jewish ties emigrating to Israel for economic reasons.

also Israel is kind of desperate to "fortify" its jewish population.

http://web.ivenue.com/holonfoods/images/cerealbrowncinimon.gif

There is a Gary Shteyngart minor character just waiting to happen here.

i would think they are there for economic reasons. that or like damn, you already had the pogroms and pushed loads of russian jews into the levant way back when, what more do you want?

There's quite a history of Jewish Nazism, I'm afraid.

I guess this is the part where I say "what's that supposed to mean?"

ya and that ryan gosling movie doesn't count.

I guess this is the part where I say "what's that supposed to mean?"

Yes, Hurting, I was wondering too...

Self-hatred and Ideology vs. Identity is nothing new.

And the movie does not count, natch, but it is loosely based on Daniel Burros.

not really adding up to "quite a history" tho.

yeah, it's not like there was some Jewish Nazi version of the Tuskeegee Airmen.

Not an overwhelming one, but there have been numerous self-hating Jewish Nazis. I don't understand why this is such a hot button. Disenfranchised people in trying to recapture a lost sense of control shocker.

yeah, it's not like there was some Jewish Nazi version of the Tuskeegee Airmen.

-- Hurting 2, Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

lol analogy

http://www.myspacecustomz.com/images/Graphics/Clayton-Bigsby.gif

fuk, that gif is more annoying than I realized.

no way man

It's soothing.

<i>why? i'm not sure why ppl cling to that as if that would somehow make anything about the holocaust or hitler better or more understandable.</i>

Yeah, cause it's real understandable as it stands now. Humanizing Hitler certainly can't help.

lol old tags

Maybe they're into nazism for the worshipping of physical strength and martial discipline, and consider the anti-semitism a mere detail. It's basically the same mistake that allows the likes of Galloway to support islamism.

And awesome graphic design, c'mon.

Aye, true. Also, Hitler was very kind to animals. Whether he was a devil or a saint is just a matter of perspective.

Maybe they're into nazism for the worshipping of physical strength and martial discipline, and consider the anti-semitism a mere detail. It's basically the same mistake that allows the likes of Galloway to support islamism.

-- Ismael Klata, Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:09 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

o_O

Well, I disagree that it is EVER considered a detail. But I don't think it impossible for someone to shut off their emotions/everything else in order to follow an ideology.

with galloway it's pure expediency.

with these russian guys, i don't think they're conflicted. i guess don't jump the gun till you've read up, but they don't seem to consider themselves jewish other than as a means of getting into israel, which presumably has better prospects and sunnier weather than magnetogorsk or whatever.

Well, you get neo-nazi groups in Russia. And if anyone is likely to consider the holocaust a detail of (the european) WWII, it would be Russians. So this group isn't as unlikely as it might initially seem.

You could call it expediency on this group's part too (any excuse to get elected vs any excuse to feel righteous while bullying the weak). Anyway, I doubt that we're dealing with considered political philosophies here.

I'm not sure how to put this in a way that doesn't come off as mean, generalizing, or shitty, but ... aesthetics like "worshipping of physical strength and martial discipline" have traditionally gotten more mixed up with odd gay men and weird camp and homoeroticism than anything having to do with Judaism. You know, from Mishima to 300 and whatnot. Possibly N/A's "what is the masculine style" thread.

There are a few different Russian Jewish writers who get into this related thing I can totally understand and relate to, where there's a combined repulsion/attraction with all these tall stocky blondish magnificent Cossacks coming around and being assholes to everyone (Isaac Babel has this, I think) -- this is SO not self-hatred, though, just the minority's amazement at how some people get to walk confidently around being everyone else's cultural ideal. I mean, I get this feeling every time I watch The Bachelor.

This is just me talking shit about aesthetics and literature, and makes no claim to have all that much to do with everyday life...

xpost - They are ages 16-21, and all the article says nothing about their emigration other than the law it was under -- I'm really not sure why we'd assume they must have come under their own steam, as opposed to being sent or brought by family. I realize things are different in Russia, but I'm still pretty skeptical that 15-year-olds are just up and emigrating to Israel all on their own.