Not just religious matters, but other values -- marriage, family, money, politics.
How important is it to you?
It seems to be very important for me, as I'm learning more and more -- one of my friends is making a lot of changes to her life right now, and I'm finding I can't take it, or her.
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:32 (eighteen years ago)
One of my "bestest" friends has extremely different views. She dislikes pop culture immensely for example. It doesn't really affect me nor our friendship that much. Sometimes I will stop and give her one of my "lectures" (and vice versa). But on the whole it hasn't stopped us from being best friends.
― stevienixed, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:39 (eighteen years ago)
Most of my friends have different values & ideologies to me. Mrs Vague does too, in lots of ways. God knows I don't think I'd want to buddy up with someone exackly like me.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)
Yes, I am friends with people with different belief systems. Republicans, Jews, vegetarians, Guided by Voices fans...
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:47 (eighteen years ago)
Me personally most of my friends are all on a pretty liberal wavelength, tho there's disagreements about various things and there's a bit of a range. My wife, otoh, is still close with her best friend from childhood, and he best friend's family and lifestyle are kinda the polar opposite of ours. Sometimes its a bit of strain on their relationship, but my wife doesn't want to give up one of her oldest friendships.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:48 (eighteen years ago)
Certainly I'm friendly with various family members who's belief systems I completely disagree with
i like to respect people's uniqueness. no, hang on, that's BS, but the chances of knowing more than a couple people, hell *anyone*, who you even agree with most stuff about is hard.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:49 (eighteen years ago)
chances are hard?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)
ivy league snooty syntax fascists hic
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)
I'm actually friends with several vegetarians and some people who don't think twice about their carbon footprints.
― Jaq, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)
I lived with a far-right libertarian Christian for a year. We wrote the opposing political columns for the paper. It was fun. We sparred over politics all the time, but didn't take it personally.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:08 (eighteen years ago)
all my friends are exactly like me
― RJG, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)
that's right
I'm friends with people who enjoy the company of other people. So, yes.
― admrl, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)
Also, a lot of Arsenal fans.
― admrl, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)
this question is dumb: yes, of course i am friends with people that i don't agree with
― river wolf, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)
i'm friends with jewish people too, and i'm "catholic" supposedly. but those friends are not very religious. i can't imagine being friends with someone who is very religious. i'm not.
you can disagree with someone but the extent to which you disagree makes a difference. i don't think i could be friends with someone who i disagreed a LOT with -- or on a lot of issues.
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)
xpost The question isn't dumb at all. It all depends on how much you find importance in your and other people's beliefs. I used to think and feel that I could not relate to other people if they were extremely open (and defensive) about their (religious) beliefs. Well, I sort of believed it but then I realized it wasn't all that important. *shrugs*
― stevienixed, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)
there has to be some kind of common ground, doesn't there? i dont have a ton of republican friends, or friends of a certain kind of christian bent, because the foundations on which i build my sense of self is pretty radically different from the kinds of foudations that some christians and most conservatives do.
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:44 (eighteen years ago)
i also tend to think people who have different belief systems than me are usually unredeemably dumb, and im not friends with dumb people
It's weird but ever since college the guys who I've developed the closest ties with are frat-boys-with-hearts-of-gold types. People with similar interests... we're usually like waves with similar amplitudes but different phasing.. always clashing even though we look alike.
― wanko ergo sum, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:50 (eighteen years ago)
yeah to be honest i dont have a lot of friends who share the exact same interests as me (i.e. certain kinds of music or "being an english major" if that counts as an interest). i dont know if thats just circumstance tho, or something else.
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:53 (eighteen years ago)
but "interests" != "belief systems" at any rate
OTM, max.
This question seeks to make mountains out of molehills.
― B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)
"interests" is definitely different -- obviously, my friends have many, many interests that i don't share. but we pretty much all share the same deeply rooted beliefs/values.
my one friend just got married to this guy in the army, that she only knew for like i don't know, 7 months? and now they're having a baby and moving to south korea. i'm having a hard time with it. i just feel like her values are sooo different from mine, that i can't see eye to eye with her anymore.
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:15 (eighteen years ago)
I tend to befriend people who are on a v. close moral/intellectual wavelength & also in terms of sense of humor. I wld prefer to have few/almost no/(maybe even) no friends than friends whose values just disgusted or maddened me, or if they were impolite (manners and tact being perhaps my most important values!).
― Abbott, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:52 (eighteen years ago)
=) go politeness!
― Surmounter, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 00:19 (eighteen years ago)
Australia's run by a horrifyingly bigoted warmonger. I cannot take seriously anyone who supports him (for obvious reasons). Unfortunately most of my wife's and my families are gung-ho bigot supporters (and also bigots). This I find difficult to ignore when I have to fucking eat dinner with them.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 00:23 (eighteen years ago)
So that's the political one, and even then it's just against people who support bigotry, not supports of the party back when it wasn't being run by monkey boy.
You can roll homosexualist-haters into this group of 'people' with whom I refuse to mingle.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 00:31 (eighteen years ago)
Hmm, me too, except minus the scare quotes.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 00:44 (eighteen years ago)
Er, I actually had a strange experience yesterday evening when smoking a massive doobie at a classmate's place. I was with two schoolmates, the girl whose apartment we were in and a boy. As I said, it was a massive joint, and we were all pretty giggly and stupid when we were talking, mostly about art and the people we know who're making it and it what forms it is taking.
The boy brought up a few friends of his who stage guerrilla art shows concerned with, it sounds like, mostly the war in Iraq. As someone who wholeheartedly opposes the war, I thought what they were doing sounded wonderful. The guy, however, made their efforts sound like it was the most misguided thing in the world! "You could try, I don't know, writing a letter and saying a prayer." Was exactly how he put it.
Now, I agree that there need to be many more letters written, by myself included, but the fact that he tacked on "saying a prayer" freaked me out a bit. I had to leave shortly after because my brain wasn't working in the way it is right now where words are coming out and seem to make some kind of sense. I don't think I would stop being friends with him, but now I'm curious about how religious he is, and (if he is very or isn't at all) how that changes my perception of him, which began as funny guy from my painting class.
― Andi Mags, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)
prayer probably marginally more effective than letter-writing, unfortunately.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 22:39 (eighteen years ago)
My girlfriend is currently having the same problem with a friend of hers from uni, he's a total born-again crazy man apparently. do not want to meet him. xp
― W4LTER, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)
you're telling me
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)
I don't know, it's a pretty good way to find a husband (who is in prison).
― Abbott, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 23:15 (eighteen years ago)
I have a habit of assuming people are highly and devoutly Christian, when they turn out to be gay atheists.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)
lolololol louis
― max, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 23:20 (eighteen years ago)
Gaytheists!
― Abbott, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 23:21 (eighteen years ago)
Christiaggotry
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 23:52 (eighteen years ago)
That's my new name for Rio de Janeiro
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 23:53 (eighteen years ago)
oh no! i just saw all these facebook groups a friend of mine from junior high has joined :(
republican youth bullshit stop obama something or other
AGH! i don't know if i can poke her anymore
― Surmounter, Thursday, 31 July 2008 16:32 (seventeen years ago)
the dilemma of our times
― Just got offed, Thursday, 31 July 2008 16:34 (seventeen years ago)
I'm getting a pizza abovementioned bro this weekend. Amped.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 31 July 2008 16:37 (seventeen years ago)
Friends? With people?! Me??!! I am afraid I do not understand. Now pardon me as I wander off into the empty wilderness alone for a couple of weeks to commune with my friends, the rocks and trees. Not forgetting the birds and bees.
― Aimless, Thursday, 31 July 2008 17:29 (seventeen years ago)
most of my friends share very similar belief systems, at least politically. i don't think this makes me boring, though; i've been exposed to enough other worldviews in work situations or with family or whatever
― dell, Thursday, 31 July 2008 17:38 (seventeen years ago)
I'm not sure I have a lot of common ground with anybody so i kinda have to be. but then someone can say/believe things that really seem bad/wrong/dumb to me and I dont really feel like I need to set them straight unless they try to set ME straight. then they'll get it. I have TONS of family/friends who are strong believing christians and believe me they all gave up a long time ago, but thankfully they all still love me.
― ryan, Thursday, 31 July 2008 17:38 (seventeen years ago)
my friend's mom-in-law is an evangelical christian of some stripe that i just don't get at all (think joel osteen)
she also happens to be this amazing person who simply makes you feel loved and accepted in her presence in a way that very few other people do that i've met. so...
― dell, Thursday, 31 July 2008 17:49 (seventeen years ago)
that's because she's riding high on the power of the lord
― Surmounter, Thursday, 31 July 2008 17:50 (seventeen years ago)
haha i think i have quite a few people "praying" for me...
― ryan, Thursday, 31 July 2008 17:50 (seventeen years ago)
xpost aw, don't be mean. no, i think that she was just always like that
she's not at all sanctimonious or whatever, fwiw
― dell, Thursday, 31 July 2008 17:51 (seventeen years ago)
hell2thanaw
― and what, Thursday, 31 July 2008 17:51 (seventeen years ago)
xpst
she's just a really sweet person. whether that has anything to do with her religious beliefs, i couldn't say
― dell, Thursday, 31 July 2008 17:52 (seventeen years ago)
Y'know, I seriously try to realize it ain't all that important. On top of that who's to say they are wrong (and I'm right), right? (Well, I do think I'm right but y'know whatevs I'm trying to downplay my being right...) It all depends on how in your face you and/your friends are about your/their beliefs.
― stevienixed, Thursday, 31 July 2008 17:56 (seventeen years ago)