have you ever eaten RAW MEAT??

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Apparently some of the 'raw foods' types are doing this now to get the vital enzymes you lose when you cook meat. I've contemplated this myself, but fear intestinal worms, e coli, other bacteria I don't want to even think about. Am I being brainwashed or are these raw meat eaters insane?

From a website: There was a study that was done by a Dr. Francis Pottenger back in the 1930s where he divided 900 cats into groups and fed some cats cooked meat and milk and other groups of cats raw meat and milk and with each succeeding generation of cats that were fed the cooked foods, you could see the degeneration that occurred. The cats developed similar diseases to those of humans, and by the third generation could no longer reproduce. The cats that ate raw, on the other hand, were perfectly healthy, generation after generation.

(raw) Food for thought, ILE?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 3 January 2008 08:51 (sixteen years ago) link

The study sounds like bunk (obviously humans can still reproduce after hundreds of generations of eating cooked meat, etc), but certain raw meat is excellent if handled and prepared properly.

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 3 January 2008 09:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Only if you count rare steak and roast.
Oh, also, I recall that it used to be not too uncommon here in Norway to make thick hamburger-like patties out of ground beef, with the center quite red. I don't think anyone does anymore though, as everyone's too scared of the germs. I sure as hell am.

Øystein, Thursday, 3 January 2008 09:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Steak tartare is obviously still very popular in many places.

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 3 January 2008 09:46 (sixteen years ago) link

When I'm cooking anything with minced beef, I sometimes eat a little bit of the raw meat cos somehow it looks tempting. It's never made me ill. Yet.

Zoe Espera, Thursday, 3 January 2008 10:17 (sixteen years ago) link

On holiday this summer in Italy, my friend bought a bog standard pork sausage from the supermarket and ate it raw. He didn't become sick but surely he was playing russian roulette of a sort.

Is beef carpaccio raw?

Mark C, Thursday, 3 January 2008 10:39 (sixteen years ago) link

I've had steak tartare with a raw egg. Living on the edge. It was alright. I've also eaten (by accident) uncooked ham. This was not so good.

And yes, beef carpaccio is raw.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 3 January 2008 10:40 (sixteen years ago) link

eating pork raw sounds pretty mental yah.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 3 January 2008 10:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes, it is. My Mother-in-law served it up and she is soemtimes a bad cook so we all sort of chewed on it for a while and then I had just had to say something like "erm, was this supposed to have been cooked" - of she went and rummaged in the bin for the packaging and the horrible truth was out.

There's a raw lamb dish you can get in some middle eastern restaurants (and, ah, presumable the middle east) called kibbeh nayyeh. Never been tempted but then I'm not a big fan of lamb.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 3 January 2008 10:47 (sixteen years ago) link

only other people's genitals

ken c, Thursday, 3 January 2008 11:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Had kibbeh nayye- delicious. All steaks should be a little raw in the centre.

moley, Thursday, 3 January 2008 12:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I can vouch for raw beef, lamb, and venison. I've had raw beef twice this week at restaurants (steak tartare and kitfo) and both were awesome. I prefer a coarser ground tartare, no point in losing all the texture. I do, however, have some trouble eating larger chunks of raw beef (gored gored, tere sega).

Most places that serve raw meat dishes are pretty careful about their sourcing and cross contamination - I'd be far more concerned about getting sick from an improperly cooked frozen burger.

I DIED, Thursday, 3 January 2008 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link

I can vouch for raw beef, lamb, and venison. I've had raw beef twice this week at restaurants (steak tartare and kitfo) and both were awesome.

...

-- I DIED

ken c, Thursday, 3 January 2008 14:22 (sixteen years ago) link

you make a strong point

I DIED, Thursday, 3 January 2008 14:29 (sixteen years ago) link

i've had the korean version of steak tartare. very good, with no ill effects afterwards.

lauren, Thursday, 3 January 2008 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

lol cats are not people (not to mention people feed their cats cooked meat all the time in the form of cat food)

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link

raw foodies are some of the craziest people in the whole world - one time at a wedding reception this tiny drunk grandma waved a bell pepper slice in my face and said: theres more protein in this than in a 16oz steak!

i do luv raw meat tho - in japan some eat raw chicken!

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

jamon serrano

blueski, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

oh come on, cured meat doesn't count as raw meat.

I DIED, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

what about a raw big mac?

blueski, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Raw like sushi. Why is raw meat scarier than raw fish? Or is it?

ledge, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link

man i love steak tartare

the last time i had some was at this place: http://www.bistrotheque.com

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link

raw CHICKEN?!?

s1ocki, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm kind of bummed out I've never had a chance to try raw chicken (well, at a restaurant where it's supposed to be served that way). I'd like to expand my dining resume to the point where I've had a raw version of every kind of animal I've eaten. Can't stand the lack of heat, get out of the kitchen.

I DIED, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Other dishes

* tori-sashi -- raw chicken, served sashimi-style
* tori-wasa -- almost-raw chicken pieces, served with _wasabi_ (Japanse green
horseradish)
* kara-age -- deep-fried chicken
* nikomi -- meat and vegetable stew

i would eat it maybe in japan only

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.sakaenet.jp/satsuma-po/torisashi.jpg

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

there's at least one place in nyc that serves chicken sashimi occasionally. the texture would put me off.

lauren, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link

what place?

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link

NY raw meat FAP!

I DIED, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link

yakitori torys

lauren, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link

i think steve shasta has had it there. it was off the menu for a while but apparently they're serving it again although it runs out early on.

lauren, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link

review: http://events.nytimes.com/2006/12/13/dining/reviews/13unde.html

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Beef carpaccio, check. Lots of raw fish, check.

At the kaiseki ryori dinner my daughter and I went to last weekend, one of the courses was lobster sashimi. I thought it was pretty bland, really, more of a textural adventure than a flavor one.

Rock Hardy, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:54 (sixteen years ago) link

i've been wanting to try that place for quite a while now, but i'm never in midtown.

xpost

lauren, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link

yes.
summer 2006.
steak tartare.
in a restaurant in Bucharest.
whilst at the same time having a conversation with a random Romanian stranger about Graham Poll, who was refereeing a match on the telly at the time.

Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link

eaten plenty of raw meat, from fish to minced meat. yum yum.it's considered pretty standard fare, raw meat.

nathalie, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link

well maybe the ilx raw chicken fap will have to happen

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link

we should, in the name of science if nothing else..

lauren, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link

you guys are funny, cured and smoked meat is not raw.

carpaccio, tartare, ceviche, etc. = not raw.

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:01 (sixteen years ago) link

lol cats are not people (not to mention people feed their cats cooked meat all the time in the form of cat food)

http://www.lolrider.com/images/lolcats.jpg

ken c, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:01 (sixteen years ago) link

in the name of eating raw chicken and seeing midtown once before we die

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:02 (sixteen years ago) link

you guys are funny, cured and smoked meat is not raw.

yah wtf funny guys

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:02 (sixteen years ago) link

steve shasta is it true u ate the raw chicken at that place in midtown

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Carpaccio and tartare aren't cured or smoked. Tartare can be marinated in booze, but not necessarily.

ledge, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:06 (sixteen years ago) link

yo is it true vordul got sonned by a wite kid after a raw beef??????

ken c, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Raw Italian sausage with some good paisano bread is some nice shit.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link

matsusaka beef is one of the premium types of japanese beef.

matsusaka beef nigiri:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/251/514474607_429f3c545c.jpg

matsusaka beef sashimi:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/201/514474077_92862bb31a.jpg

chicken sashimi:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/222/459318876_cf26ea3b33.jpg

for chicken sashimi, the chicken tenderloin is used (the tenderloin doesn't touch any blood vessels nor internal organs).

basashi (raw horse neck meat):

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link

basashi:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/36/109446338_f26c2546f5.jpg

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:10 (sixteen years ago) link

How is tartare not raw?

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:10 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah tartare is just fresh, cold ground beef on a plate, with an egg cracked over it - salt, pepper and tabasco doesn't count as curing in my book!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:10 (sixteen years ago) link

lol u funney

ken c, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Lauren is right, tartare is not technically cured although many recipes call for it. Most USA restaurants won't serve uncured/seared/smoked dishes as "tartare".

...however, Carpaccio most certainly uses lemon juice as a curing element.

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link

always love seeing how irate people get about food

blueski, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link

or at least people being wrong about food

blueski, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link

joshea, torys and totto in midtown serve chicken sashimi.

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link

carpaccio often has lemon juice heavily involved for teh ceviche effect

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link

steve shasta have you eaten the raw chicken or what?

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Many times.

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:16 (sixteen years ago) link

did you eat it at any of these nyc places?

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:17 (sixteen years ago) link

what it tastes like?

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:20 (sixteen years ago) link

like chicken

carne asada, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:20 (sixteen years ago) link

pollo asada

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link

it's great. it tastes like chewing gum, you can blow bubbles with it!

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link

oh damn i want some

69, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link

yo 69 we should grab some ethiopian soon

I DIED, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:24 (sixteen years ago) link

STEVE SHASTA REFUSES TO ANSWER MY QUESTION AT TO WHETHER HES EATEN RAW CHICKEN IN NYC

cause you know i want to know if it was good or an abomination

jhøshea, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link

i had some awesome steak tartare in nyc a couple of years ago. I'm not sure it agreed with me though. but it could have been something else (there were also mussels involved. cooked, but eh who the fuck knows). of course after reading the debate above, I'm not sure if it was cured or not. Probably so...

i'll do raw oysters if they're not out of the nasty-ass gulf. yeah yeah it's seafood and apparently doesn't count as "meat" to some but it's animal flesh and you are rolling the dice, brother. Sushi, obv.

will, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes

Michael White, Thursday, 3 January 2008 17:02 (sixteen years ago) link

raw anything is kind of rolling the dice a bit really

ken c, Thursday, 3 January 2008 17:25 (sixteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002O5R.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

blueski, Thursday, 3 January 2008 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link

lol let's image google raw

http://www.jucaushii.ro/images/boxshot/upload/WWE_SmackDown_vs_RAW_2007_xbox360.jpg

ken c, Thursday, 3 January 2008 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I eat kitfo (beef) maybe once a month, on average, although (a) I often get it slightly warmed over, and (b) there's a level on which the heavy spicing of it acts a bit like curing.

Raw/rawish beef, lamb, and fish, all okay by me w/ high-quality meat; chicken and pork seem a little insane.

But this all has way less to do with whether it's safe to eat raw meat in the abstract and more to do with western meat being raised and packaged in ways that'll leave them teeming with drug-resistant superbacteria. Go somewhere else in the world and hand me raw meat from an animal someone just slaughtered in the backyard, and I'll try it.

nabisco, Thursday, 3 January 2008 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm sure i'm horribly jinxing myself by saying this, but thus far i've only had food poisoning from cooked food.

lauren, Thursday, 3 January 2008 18:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Plus you're actually most likely to pick something up from salad ingredients, aren't you?

nabisco, Thursday, 3 January 2008 18:30 (sixteen years ago) link

bean sprouts are apparently the worst, although i've never become ill from them.

lauren, Thursday, 3 January 2008 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, so what about straight a taking a bite of some raw hamburger from the package? Does the reaper appear over your shoulder in the mirror when you do?

I think I'd have a much harder time wih raw chicken and not just because of salmonela (sp?) and whatnot. Unlike raw steak or hamburger, it just doesnt' look like it would taste very good. Is it hard to chew? Have you ever cut through raw chicken breast with a knife? Shit is kinda hard...

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 3 January 2008 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd avoid eating raw pre-ground packaged hamburger: it's worse meat, and it's been through all kinds of processing that makes it REALLY easy for it to have bad things in it -- it's all ground up! You're probably not gonna kill yourself with a bite, but still.

nabisco, Thursday, 3 January 2008 19:38 (sixteen years ago) link

For making any kind of raw-beef dish on your own, you pretty obviously want the best available meat, as fresh as possible, etc.

nabisco, Thursday, 3 January 2008 19:39 (sixteen years ago) link

this thread reminds me of the time the lovely emma b decided she'd just make some sashimi - how hard could it be? it's just raw fish cut up into pieces! we didn't get sick but... it wasn't very good.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 3 January 2008 19:41 (sixteen years ago) link

eeeeeew

lauren, Thursday, 3 January 2008 19:46 (sixteen years ago) link

hahaha i mean who would have guessed??

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 3 January 2008 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Wow. I have only eaten raw seafood, usually in the context of sushi.

I did have some raw crab when I was in Japan in 1996. I do not recommend consuming raw crab under any circumstances; the texture is VILE.

Sara R-C, Thursday, 3 January 2008 20:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I had a boss who would go in the kitchen and get a small piece of raw beef (I think he favored filets) whenever he wanted a light snack. I was never brave enough to join him.

milo z, Thursday, 3 January 2008 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I've had some Lao food that I think included raw pork.

I've also had Lao food where I had to specify that I wanted the pork cooked...

shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 4 January 2008 02:26 (sixteen years ago) link

When I lived in Germany an uncle of a Germann friend of my father's ate raw hamburger, apparently a common practice there. The texture seems nauseating with that much fat, though. Same with chicken, I can't imagine it being better than cooked. I've had steak tartare and roast beef rare, and shushi/sashimi. I didn't really care for the tartare, but didn't gag or get sick.

nickn, Friday, 4 January 2008 09:46 (sixteen years ago) link


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