An Impossible Choice: Kids In the Hall

Ha. I just now noticed that three of 'em have a Mc prefix.

bruce is the answer.
though i want to pity vote for kevin.

They're playing in Milwaukee in a few weeks, can't wait.

(I've always been a Dave man)

Btw I saw Carpoolers for the first time last night. Not the greatest thing ever, but way funnier that I thought it would be.

Do I have to take their post-KitH careers into account?

funniest or most f***able?

(Scott wd be easiest, obv)

I lean toward Bruce too, but man. Foley and his sarcastic meanness, McKinney in his passive-aggressive paternal roles, Thompson going over the top, and yes Kevin would be a great mother.

I don't think anyone wins if you take post-KitH careers in account.

dave

Dave, duh.

I'm a big Bruce fan, but I voted for Mark. He's got the broadest comedic range. Rewatching the show I'm impressed by what a good actor he is, I wish he was in more stuff.

Kevin gets -1000000000000000 points for being in the "Roses" video and getting outdone by Katt Williams.

bruce

that is, I wish he was in more stuff now.

look, they've all done tons of shitty stuff post-KITH

Dave was the most evil. Evil!

Another impossible poll would be who was the best woman?

Funniest, not fuckable.

(xp) I think getting sonned by Katt Williams trumps everything, though.

they were all really good women!

http://nerdnirvana.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/kidsinthehallgirldrinkdrunk.jpg

i had forgotten about this, mark was pretty good in it:

http://flakmag.com/film/images/saddestmusic.jpg

it really is kind of an impossible choice though, they were all essential to the show

I have averted my eyes from the post- careers (save Saddest Music). Agree McKinney had the most range.

I should vote Dave cuz I saw him get a boner in his Hecubus costume onstage. He blushed adorably.

It seems like Scott has done the least post-KitH.

bruno ponce-jones

what has mark been doing, aside from his brief stint on SNL and 'saddest music'?

BRUCIO

poll of impossibility

bellini

Kevin is my pity vote.

i read some really depressing article about kevin mcdonald a couple years ago...after some article had come out about dave calling him "the straight man" of KiTH...he just kept pointing out that he was dating a WOMAN because he's NOT GAY and talking about his lack of popularity, and you could picture him saying it in the typical self-deprecating way that was funny sometimes during the show, but also sometimes a little sad. but now it just seems totally sad. poor kevin :(

aw

kevin first (no pity either, dude was fucking funny), mark second for me

Another impossible poll would be who was the best woman?

I always loved Scott's women, especially his older ones (e.g. the queen, the old lady who's mugged).

people have said i look like kevin!

i voted scott

all the other Kids consistently defer to Kevin as "the funniest". He's definitely willing to go to exceptional lengths to humiliate himself for the sake of comedy.

I can see their point, but Bruce is still my favorite.

the sizzler sisters!

Scott's had the best post-career, I think. his standup show was really funny.

there should def. be a best woman poll! with pictures! Dave was the "cutest" girl.

Well, the Kevin pity comes from him having that sad sack persona and also that I only ever see him doing cartoon voices now. He was probably my favorite on the show as well, although it's just too hard to choose.

buddy

actually wait: sizzler sisters vs. francesca fiore vs. the hotel la rut whores vs....

scott did the best old/middle-aged women

Btw I saw Carpoolers for the first time last night. Not the greatest thing ever, but way funnier that I thought it would be.

-- Jordan, Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:49 AM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

last night's was probably the funniest episode so far, and also the first time I caught Bruce cannibalizing a KITH line in it ("who knows where I could be this time tomorrow, I could be in Chicago, eating bacon and eggs with gangsters"). generally a pretty weak show with occasional bright spots.

bruce as kathy with a k <3<3<3

i'm talking about mark too much but his old lady who complains about how you can't use the word 'fisting' anymore is gold

i like the scott-as-old-woman monologue sketches

Scott was busy...he did Larry Sanders quite successfully.

I'll probably vote Bruce. Saw one ep. of Carpoolers finally a week or two ago. Mostly pretty low-budget sitcom stuff with sudden bursts of oddness, funniness and the occasional "this feels like a bruce skit" line. Still, it's no MY PEN!

my fave women were the office Kathys

xpost!

I remember an old Conan where Dave Foley and Isabella Rossellini were both on. Foley put a black wig on and the similarity was frightening.

Awww, glad to hear this is good, I really want to see it at some point but don't have Amazon.

I’ve been out of the country but will start watching tonight!

I eagerly cued up the original series for a rewatch on Amazon to prep for the new episodes and the very first episode featured a blackface sketch

i assume that's mark mckinney as mississippi gary (the blues singer). they do another version of that sketch later where he breaks character and talks about how it doesn't make any sense for him to be playing that character (and he longer appears to be in blackface). but i'm not saying it absolves them for including the character (or doing blackface obviously)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_2ao-QAb5E

just to complete my thought, i guess it's interesting bc the later sketch is basically mark mckinney indicating that he knows he probably shouldn't be doing the character, and he tries to brush it off with self-deprecation and suggesting it comes from a place of love, but then he just goes back to doing it anyways. that probably just makes it worse in a way.

It very quickly became obvious that the blackface was completely tangential to the core of the joke and the follow up does show that they were thinking very subversively about it, so I actually think it does absolve them!

isn't there another sketch later on in the series with Scott Thompson in blackface as a guy meeting his white girlfriend's disapproving parents for the first time, and the gag at the end is that the parents don't want their daughter dating a guy who wears blackface i.e. it's diegetic blackface

Thompson also plays a south asian character in the sketches with Raj and Christine where the blacking/browning up is seems almost entirely superfluous, you could filmed those sketches with him playing a white guy and it wouldn't really change it that much afiact, which makes you wonder why they bothered making him south asian in the first place? I guess maybe there's something implied about the backgrounds of the two characters and that being reflected in how Christine dominates and bullies Raj without really thinking about it - she's from a rich and privileged and family and is part of the counter-culture by choice whereas he is gay and from an immigrant, possibly conservative family, and is part of the counter-culture through necessity? I don't know if they ever reveal much about Raj's background, maybe he's from a fancy background as well for all I know.

xp there's one where scott in in brown(at least)face and brought home by his gf (dave), who warns him that her parents are awful racists

but the parents turn out to be super lovely, thwarting the gf's desire to transgress

but maybe there's another one later that goes a level deeper?

been re-watching the first season

i was always a dave guy but upon reflection i might be turning into a bruce guy

Funny, I’ve always rated them Mark, Dave/Scott, Kevin/Bruce. But I’m thinking I might have Marge Simpson syndrome (whereby I loved Homer as a teenager and now love Marge above everyone else) and might come around to Bruce

I’m not watching the new season til I finish my rewatch of the originals

Idk Bruce is so one-note to me (and tbh it’s a great note). Mark is amazing. The sketch where she’s flunking the dance prodigy in favour of Kevin and then says “obviously I’m totally kidding!” I just died it was so good

They’re all good but I admit the cult of Bruce is sort of beyond me

The sketch where she’s flunking the dance prodigy in favour of Kevin and then says “obviously I’m totally kidding!

lol i actually just tried to look up the dance prodigy to see if she'd done more acting! she was solid

with mark, for me, it might mainly be that the headcrusher was worthy of one skit only but it just kept going

scott is beyond rankings tho. rank the others however you want but scott will always be at worst 1a

I just had the realization tonight that, despite watching the series on and off and even going to a taping of the show in 1989, they never got beyond "theoretically funny" for me at best; as if they were content to be absurd, daring, squirmy, trenchant etc. without actually connecting that to something that made me laugh then or now. I would assume even the fans would accept that a lot of their material was so dry or conceptual that its humour content was hypothetical?

Nonetheless I just read the summary of their 2007 Just for Laughs appearance on Wikipedia, and it made me laugh more than the show ever did!

I think what makes a lot of their characters funny for me is that the characters feel like they have an existence outside of the sketch, it's not just that they've had an idea for a sketch and invent a character that acts a certain way dictated by the structure of the sketch, but they make it seem like the character is out there being like this all the time and you're just happening to see a particular five minutes of it.

Enjoyed this long-ish appreciation of it

Must-read long-read on the Kids in the Hall by @evankindley. https://t.co/iWKFhTlfbh

— Tyler Wilcox (@tywilc) May 12, 2022

Opening blurb of that medium post otm.

I would assume even the fans would accept that a lot of their material was so dry or conceptual that its humour content was hypothetical?

Yes and no - there's some material that crosses over into performance art/art film weirdness and as such isn't about belly laughs, but it's a small slice and really their skills in terms of timing, expressions, reactions - old school comedic chops I guess - are so off the charts, they make me laugh as much as any sketch comedy I've ever seen.

they never got beyond "theoretically funny" for me at best

ffs, smoke some weed

some stuff can feel like that – where they have a great idea and it's not really an obvious/easy laugh. not so much a joke that doesn't land – but a joke that isn't intended to land.
but then at the same time they have lots of stuff that is just goddamned funny as hell.

i feel like a lot of those end up hilarious on revisit still

i admit when i was a kid i did not entirely *get* this show but i watched the comedy central reruns religiously lol

i was in college when it suddenly clicked

fine ham abounds

god even in that one sketch there's the kind of low-key joke about how many people hanging out at once distinguishes a "get-together" from a "party"

"someone has to leave"

"lyle"

everybody: "lyyyyyle"

every line of dialogue has some sort of hilarious content embedded in it

any indication if they are doing another new season? the cliffhanger jokes made me think another one might be coming, but then the way they ended it made it seem like they are done with new episodes.

god i love these guys so much.

One great low-key joke in the new series: Mark’s dumb cop instructing Kevin and Dave to “Put your hands on your own head”.

yeah that slayed me. exactly the kind of pointless tossed-in joke i come to KITH for.

That went right over my (own) head.

KitH was my favorite show as far back as middle school (comedy central reruns also) because it was goofy and funnier than everything else I'd ever seen, don't really get the "theoretically funny" part because nearly every joke is still executed with maximum goof

Like I didn't "get" the the God Is Dead sketch but the visual of mark holding god's dead body and saying "and he's really light!" was the funniest thing in the world to me

For me it's about the small, unique turns of phrases and the line readings. So many are permanently etched in my head, and when they come out now no one knows what I'm talking about. :)

"I'll eat pancakes on your grave" is something i will never stop saying whenever i get the chance, regardless of the odds no one will have any idea what i'm quoting.

fuck the bank i work for, fuck the baaaaaaaaank

really enjoyed the new episodes, including a few that seemed slight but popped back in my head a day later

they have this ability to concoct an utterly absurd premise, roll with it through an entire sketch, only to end it with someone saying something that's obvious or common sense followed by "oh, of course!"

the main thing that differentiates KITH from something like SNL at a basic level is that 90% of SNL has winking at the audience -- hey, we're your featured players doing these characters to get some laughs -- where KITH starts from the premise "we really are two ladies working in an office reminiscing about fax machines" and you can forget that they're acting

Started rewatching from the first season and got to the blackface skit. It was pretty weird because the blackface half of the skit is awkward and cringe but whenever it switches to Kathy the same skit is solid gold. The notion that THIS is the devil woman that the old bluesman is forever cursing is hilarious.

That first ep is pretty amazing - Kathy, Headcrusher and Eradicator all make an appearence iirc.

mh I def think SNL is trash and KITH gold but I think the thing you highlight is more about format than comedic sensibility; the "live" aspect means the frisson that anything could go wrong at any second is built into SNL and so a higher amount of meta and mugging kinda comes with the territory

I think my point-of-view on Kids in the Hall was shaped by the context of contemporary Canadian TV comedy. At the time there were a lot of (not very hip) Canadian sketch comedies like "Smith and Smith Comedy Mill" and "Royal Canadian Air Farce" from which, I'm sure, the Kids wanted to distance themselves. So it seemed to me that their ethos was "avoid being corny" more than "be funny".

where they have a great idea and it's not really an obvious/easy laugh. not so much a joke that doesn't land – but a joke that isn't intended to land.

...ending up at the infinitely unpopular Point C

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uSSobogtHQ

Checked out the new Prime documentary, weirdly split into two episodes. Mostly the fluffy lovefest you'd expect, but they do get pretty real about the bad vibes circa Brain Candy. Mae Martin talks a lot about how much it meant to her as a queer person, incl being attracted to Dave Foley's woman characters (nice to know that's not just a straight guy thing). Kind of deflates the comeback a little to see how many times they'd reunited before lol, but I appreciate the doc doesn't pretend they didn't. Overall would recommend.

Only a whore weighs herself

Ep 4 was one great sketch after another: Super Drunk, french people who don't want to leave the couch, a Kevin McDonald sketch. The new season has been really enjoyable so far

finished it and the whole thing was pretty much a home run for me. feel like kevin was the all star for me in this season,
particularly loved "hot-hot water" guy. if that had been in the original 90s run i can easily see myself having spent the last 20 years annoying my friends & family by complaining that things are not hot-hot.

the hot-hot thing killed me

“friends of mark” had me dying

Between that one and AssAssin and a couple more I've forgetting, Mark has led some truly weird (and great) sketches this season

he's come a long way since being voted the worst kid by ilxor.com users 14 years ago

Not worst, least best.

Kevin and the cats omg