Sterling Cooper: a Mad Men poll

haha yes lol sorry

mea culpa, the Olsons are from Brooklyn (Bay Ridge), not Queens

no surprise you guys would pick joan over peggy

from the orig locked thread:

(Draper) has a genuine soft spot for (Peggy) - not sure if thats anything more specific than theyre both outsiders trying to beat the system or if well find out she reminds him of his sister or whatnot - i guess maybe he just kinda likes her like people do

― ice crӕm, Tuesday, September 2, 2008 1:49 PM

she is quite likable

― ice crӕm, Tuesday, September 2, 2008 1:50 PM

She is, esp relative to the rest of the characters, but also sometimes unbelievably naive for a bright Brooklyn girl, even an Irish Catholic one from Bay Ridge.

I'm starting to enjoy things pop culture phenomena showing up in season 2 that I remember from toddlerhood.

also don't spoil it, but Duck Phillips seems like an imminent heart attack and/or suicide, whether he beats the bottle or not.

no surprise you guys would pick joan over peggy

Duck's character arc consistently delivers

xp

that fucking guy

I appreciate Peggy's character arc, in that she keeps progressing through life and having minor (and some major) successes but by the end she's still not sure what she wants or where she's supposed to go with what she has. Very relatable.

i like that Peggy's essential core of primness pretty much stays intact throughout the whole show. the way Moss lifts her chin a bit when she's standing her ground is a wonderful character beat.

i had the most sympathy for peggy

Peggy gets better and better as a character although by early Season 3 she'd yet to hit her full stride. If I had it to do over again, I'd probably vote for her (or Don) since Pete Campbell by contrast got less interesting.

Paul Kinsey revealed to be a dick w/ his whitesplain of "Marxism"/advertising on a Freedom Ride.

i liked how they didn't softpedal the general revulsion when the Funny Euro Gay blurted out his orientation.

It was shortsighted to lock the original seasons 1-2 thread.

The "Telstar" music cue was great, but a sly one at the end of "The Jet Set" (Don chucks work to lounge with Eurotrash in L.A.) is Irving Berlin's "What'll I Do?" It was prominently used in the disastrous '74 film of Great Gatsby, and Don & Betty often seem like the answer to "what if Gatsby and Daisy had gotten married, but in the mid '50s?"

Morbsplaining

why did the seasons 1-2 thread get locked?

I think they just got too long and were replaced with "...Part 2" continuations

need to see more of Mrs Cooper after she dissed Sterling for his engagement to a 20yo -- "You need to take care of your children."

i really didn't buy Peggy's unloading the babytruth on Pete. I DID buy Fr Colin Hanks telling her she'd go to hell during the missile crisis.

need to see more of Mrs Cooper

she's great in her few scenes but yeah she doesn't appear much

Watching the first season again, Don's pithy American Meursault lines ('the universe is indifferent,' 'love was made up by guys like me to sell nylons,' etc.) seems like a thing that disappeared right after we get a shot of him reading Frank O'Hara.

Hey, it's Roger Sterling.

http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/amazon-the-romanoffs-matthew-weiner-trailer-1202904183/

plus Joan and Stan

that looks...insufferable, tbh

and uh not just saying that 'cause the romanovs had it coming

it's hard to say what it looks like considering weiner is famously opaque when it comes to previews. in the mad men days, he tried to pack as little information as possible into the "next week" teasers, to the point that it just showed something like roger saying "that's impossible" and don saying "what?"

I thought the trailer looked okay--they went with a concept, and, you know, it's a trailer. I liked seeing Corey Stoll from House of Cards.

I've only seen the second episode, but if it's supposed to be the better of the two openers, then yikes.

It cycles through such an eclectic variety of badness in 80 minutes: it starts off merely interesting-but-bad, but the middle section is straight-up mediocre, and the ending is holy-shit-who-paid-for-this awful.

Two leads are good though. I felt sorry for em

1st ep was ok-ish idk id watch more~

Yeah, I'll watch a few more.

my recollection is that the best stuff in the early episodes is generally the pitch scenes. it takes a bit for the other elements to coalesce.

joan is really people's favorite character? she is sympathetic and admirable in a way but i never thought of her as the heart and soul of the show.

I'm not sure I could pick a favorite tbh

I can tell you who my least favorite was

when was there a poll for heart and soul of the first two seasons of the show?

solid critique of my post

(NB I mean The Romanoffs, not Mad Men! I pretty much dug every season of MM.)

yes same

i didn't know there was a show called the romanoffs. just googled it -- sounds like an awesome premise and good actors

weird thing is after this thread, ilxors became fervent supporters of the peggys irl

how the world has changed

joan's a feminist character too. in the beginning she advised peggy to go along and not question the order of things but that changes by the end.

honestly, the storylines of both peggy and joan are really bleak.

i really disliked the episode where joan was made to sleep with that disgusting client. i know it gave her lifetime financial security but it was awful.

I agree making her into a literal whore was a bit over the top

and Don being too late to come to the rescue was such a knife-twist

It wasn’t over the top when you consider this isn’t something that rarely happens

Plus there had to be some controversy to keep people on the edge

advertising executives regularly prostituted lower level staff to clients in the 60s?

maybe you know something I don't idk

I know that happened to ballerinas in 19th century paris. Not sure about secretaries. It seemed over the top to me too.

Sometimes I think the core group of actors in this are so well casted and finely conceived + written that some of the peripheral sub-plots look really ordinary to bad in comparison and descend into soap opera tedium at times, but it is worth sticking for the good stuff. Well that is my haven't seen it in years take.

Salvatore Romano actor puts in some really good shifts, he brings genuine pathos to that trying to be one of the lads repressed gay role. Every scene he is in feels quite loaded. I'd have probably voted for Bert Cooper. A complete old world evil cunt with a Rand book in his desk and a Rothko on the wall that he can't stand the sight of.

I didn't realize this thread revive was about the Romanovs fwiw, that should probably have its own thread imo

XP...and has no balls.

but yeah agree w calzino that Don, Betty, Bert, Pete, Joan, Peggy, Roger, Ken and Sally were all just pitch perfect

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Posted: October 12, 2018 at 3:00:49 PM
advertising executives regularly prostituted lower level staff to clients in the 60s?

maybe you know something I don't idk

You’re thinking too narrowly here and literally

Men in power constantly pressure women into things that are belittling, especially women who are vulnerable or feel helpless and act out of desperation when men typecast them

I feel like the joan arc is a little more complicated as opposed to the peggy arc in some ways