Or should you take some other approach - ie 'do unto your neighbour as you would have them do unto you'?
― maryann, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
i. winning an argt in yr head (= ethos) ii. winning an argt in the room (=tactics) iii. winning an argt in the world (=strategy)
― mark s, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― jel --, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― katie, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Actually I don't but its a nice idea. I think the moot point in the question is the word "exactly".
― Pete, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Ronan, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― c., Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Matt, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― unknown or illegal user, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Like Kant said, don't just treat others the way you want to be treated: treat others the way you want EVERYONE to treat EVERYONE ELSE. People are very rarely mean to people who are both nice and unflappable.
― Douglas, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Daver, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Martin Skidmore, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
'Tit for tat' is the most obvious and most basic strategy to achieve a balance of power between individuals. And it works well in cases where the original wrongdoing was calculated. When you dish it back in kind, it takes all the 'profit' out of acting badly. It returns the calculation back to zeroes. The greatest difficulty here is escalation. Most cold-hearted bastards pick on people with less power to do them harm, giving them the edge in an all-out war.
Next, vengance as a tool of justice has real obvious flaws when it is pursued automatically. That leads to feuding and an endless cycle of getting back at the other guy. This is especially true when the original bad act was not calculated, but reckless, heedless or blindly emotional. Then the only way to break the cycle is to interpose forgiveness, involve an impersonal arbitrator, or just walk away.
On the whole, when people coldly choose to treat you like shit on the assumption they will get what they want and you can't or won't fight back - I say get out the hammer and smash 'em back!
― Little Nipper, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― queenoftheharpies, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― ducklingmonster, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Norman Phay, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― queenoftheharpies, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Norman Phay, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
deems, would you care to sort this out for us?
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 19:43 (nine years ago)
imo, only mo now, to presume that someone is getting the same outcome (desired or otherwise) from treating you in manner x as you would obtain from treating them in manner x seems to me to be as foolish an understanding of how ppl work as there might be in this strange world.
the above outlook, and its only mo, leads me to think that kant was as full of shit as anyone ever was, amongst other things
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 22:35 (nine years ago)
ooh there's my "ethos, tactics, strategy" post
― mark s, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 22:42 (nine years ago)
i was less full of shit than kant, when i wrote that post
― mark s, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 22:43 (nine years ago)
I'm struggling with this at the moment. Dated this girl in the past and we were friends for years afterwards. However, in the last year she started dating seriously and she e-mails me links from work and just wants me to be her penpal - so I think it's fair to cut her off completely. I don't want this arrangement at all so I don't think treating her the same way as she is treating me works. Does that sound fair?
― Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 22:46 (nine years ago)
serious post: saying everyone has the potential to have a different outcome by treating others in manner x can lead to moral relativism; in the mind of a lunatic, hitting someone or treating someone like crap could potentially not do her/him harm or, worse, the lunatic may think the victim may actually benefit from it
unserious post: a tug for a tug yields other results
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 22:51 (nine years ago)
saying everyone has the potential to etc is true
where it might lead a lunatic is a funny approach to take tbh
nb no philosophy pls we're only looking for a better wqy to be, none of that extreme example shite thks
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 22:59 (nine years ago)
i c u follow the philosophy of pragmatism
u can't get away from it dmac
philo is all around us maaannn
.,; ';,.' ';.,' ;,.;'
;.,: '.,;, ',. .',;;.',; ____________ \oooooooooo/ \________/ {________} \______/ ',__,' |oo| |oo| _____ |==| / ___() |==| / / |oo| / / |oo|/ / |==/ / |='./ |oo| |==| |__| ,'____', /"________"\/____________\
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 23:10 (nine years ago)
.,; ';,.' ';.,' ;,.;' ;.,: '.,;, ',. .',;;.',; ____________ \oooooooooo/ \________/ {________} \______/ ',__,' |oo| |oo| _____ |==| / ___() |==| / / |oo| / / |oo|/ / |==/ / |='./ |oo| |==| |__| ,'____', /"________"\ /____________\
;.,: '.,;, ',. .',;;.',; ____________ \oooooooooo/ \________/ {________} \______/ ',__,' |oo| |oo| _____ |==| / ___() |==| / / |oo| / / |oo|/ / |==/ / |='./ |oo| |==| |__| ,'____', /"________"\ /____________\
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 23:12 (nine years ago)
i like both those
throwing a name on a non philosophy and claiming it is as lame as claiming atheism as a religion rly but im not strong on it or anything
treat ppl however. try to get something out of it.
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 23:16 (nine years ago)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatism
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 23:18 (nine years ago)
it's like the same bong from different perspectives, maaan
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 23:20 (nine years ago)
the bongs are covered in infinity
it's like an elephant yet we're, like, blind man
all of us
but some of us are, like, touching different parts of the elephants
we can't tell if we're touching the tail or the trunk maaannnn
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― F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 23:23 (nine years ago)
thats fair
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 January 2017 23:25 (nine years ago)