Auditioning For Band Members

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Why do I bother?

Our local music scene is dreadful. We have bands in two flavours: angry Ash, or mellow Ash. That's it. You want something different, you fuck off to trance night at the local clubs.

I found a webpage for local bands... www.northamptobands.co.uk. I checked the adverts on there. Dismal. "Influences: Hundred Reasons, Haven, Deftones"... it's like the personals section of Kerrang! So I put an advert up. I didn't bother mentioning musical influences, I just asked for passion. I did mention "indie" however.
So, over a week down the line. Six responses. Not bad, huh? Except...

One response is from a woman called Katie. Bad start. All women called Katie are cloned somewhere in a lab where they fill their skulls with kitsch at conception and breed them to be obsessed with Barbie merchandise. Sample of the girl's e-mail:

i cant really explain myself. but im not a goth i have black hair but its because i love snow white and on the superficial side of things i love the attention too!! heh heh urm im just me and there is no other way to explain it!!!slightly crazy but i can sat that so it must mean i'm not. oooppps i ve said loads!!Sorry!!!

I'm thinking maybe not.

Next up... a guy who's into Red Hot Chilli Peppers, and "acid funk" (strike one). He's currently in a band called Melted Fuzz Box (strike two). And whilst discussing the football with him, he referred to the Nigerian team as "jungle bunnies" (strikes four through six hundred).

Then I had an e-mail from two guys who said "We're looking for a vocallist for our death metal project". I wrote alt.indie in the ad. Last time I checked, Burzum weren't alt.indie.

So they're gone as well.

The other two weren't that interesting. One mentioned Stevie Ray Vaughan, which got him crossed off the list straight away. I think my dreams of musical stardom are going to have to go onto the backburner for a bit.

Apologies if this is long winded and tedious, but it's 1am and I'm irritated and the off license is shut.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd have gone w/Katie myself, Dom. She sounds like she = r0x0r. I have avoided the tedious palaver of auditioning musicians myself, partly by playing in bands where someone else does the shitwork (tho' this can have its nar-sty downside as well) but mainly thru using drum machines and sequencers. I strongly recommend this course, not only will they not fuck up, they are far cooler, and you get more money. (actually in me and Mark our guitarists's case this turns out as lose less money, but whatever blah blah blah) You can fit all yr gear into a medium sized saloon car anyway, and not waste £££$$$ on van hire.

Norman Phay, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

All women named Katie are ace.

I want my own Ktee!

Graham, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Putting adverts up= running into an enormous bunch of, by and large, well, guitarists. There's an awful lot of them out there.

Matt, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Recently seen in the Village Voice classifieds:
FEMALE BASSIST WANTED
Supercool female bassist wanted for new sensational rock n roll act coming out of Hollywood CA (but not originally from Hollywood) with amazing female vocalist. The world will be yours and you can play your little tail off!. Send promo kit to (no exceptions): BBR, 7095 Hollywood Blvd. #732, Hollywood, CA 90028

Don't cry, Dom, it could be worse. Just play your little tail off in your basement.

Dave M., Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Right.

It is astounding that people expect that there are people out there on "their wavelength" that can and will be found who will turn themselves into one half of a Hall and Oates-esque conglomerate that fufils even sexual desires within the twosome, and in the mean time conquers the world.

This is patently not true

The most you have got to get out of said advertisement is finding someone who smokes as much blow as you do who will not slag your playing off or seem generally uninterested in what you do. Beyond that I can only recommend praying to God or spanking yourself chalky.

Bossack, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Life really is nasty, brutish and short. And so are bass-players.

Matt, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

All women named Katie are ace!

She's not going to sleep with you.

No idea, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My tip: get your friends in and get them to learn to play the instruments you require. At worst you may have to use a drum machine. This is not necessarily a bad thing.

My experiences with auditioning band members has been hit and miss. I've played with some excellent people, but also some total howlers who talked the talk but couldn't come up with a bassline if their Galaxie 500 t-shirt depended on it.

electric sound of jim, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Also: despite the occasional anomaly, CHEMISTRY TAKES TIME. I have a very strong chemistry with my writing partner but this did not happen overnight. It takes a long time of learning each other's writing quirks, and building up a trust. Absolutely vital. I could go on for hours about this..

electric sound of jim, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Woo, shocka!

Graham, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

MOVE.

Also, in my experience classifieds have a phenomenonally low success rate. It's usually all about recommendations from people you already play with/are friends with, if there's no scene to begin with...

Jordan, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

this katie's far too rock for you, Passantino! FITE etc... though you do seem to be having bad luck at finding band members. do you have mates in other bands, i generally find that meeting people through mutual friends/ "borrowing" other bands' personnel is much more effective.

katie, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

someone audition me as a vocalist, and i'll take lessons and everything to get good.

Alan T, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have mates in other bands, but they're all part of the Northampton scene I'm desperately trying to counter.

Latest e-mail line from Katie:

my friend just fell over doing this crazy dance move and dislocated her knee cap. it made the coolest sound in the world until i realised what the sound was.

Is there any way I can't recruit her now?

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Got a call from a bass player once, answering my ad. "Ummm...are you concerned with image at all?" "Uh, why?" "You see, I'm overweight." "Uh, that shouldn't be.." "No, listen, I am like REALLY REALLY REALLY FAT." "Um..." (Voice rising)"I'M SICK OF THIS FUCKING SHIT! I AM REALLY GOOD BUT NOBODY GIVES ME A SECOND LOOK JUST BECAUSE I'M SO FAT! THERE'S NO POINT, YOU'LL PROBABLY JUST SHOW ME THE DOOR WITHOUT EVEN LISTENING!!!" "Well, I don't have a problem with your looks if you don't..""WHAT DO YOU LOOK LIKE THEN?" "Richey Edwards" CLICK!

dave q, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hmm Dom i see what you mean. but she does come across as being just a bit eager to please and a bit "i'm wacky, me" rather than utterly psycho (having a dislocated kneecap is NO LAUGHING MATTER though) and you yourself come across as a bit grumpy generally as well as having run out of patience with the local "talent" so maybe you're best just to leave that one, as you don't seem compatible... or you could move as the bloke above suggested!

katie, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am going to join a band called the Pervy Hobbit Fanciers! So far it is me on a guitar I cannot play and the SAUCEPANGS!

Sarah, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

We will be a GARAGE BAND (in the old skool sense). *clang clang* *THUMP* "killedby ORCS!!!! stupid ORCS!!!!"

Sarah, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I've worked out why a) there's so many solo artist, and b) why solo artists are, on the whole, miserable bastards with a hatred of humanity.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

slain by elf

Alan T, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

dom, you have to be in a band with people you like and get on with and could imagine going on TOUR with, fer chrissake. if the thought of spending 8 hours a day on the road, doing a gig, getting pissed out of your mind and sleeping in the van/a crowded hotel room with them, and then repeating the whole sorry performance again the next day doesn't appeal, then don't hire them. simple as that!

katie, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

though sympathy for your predicament (you still have to take it back about Katies though...)

katie, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

**if the thought of spending 8 hours a day on the road, doing a gig, getting pissed out of your mind and sleeping in the van/a crowded hotel room with them, and then repeating the whole sorry performance again the next day**

'erm, bands don't HAVE to do this Katie!

Anyway - main problem with recruiting friends/friends of friends etc is that it's difficult to kick them out when they turn out to be no good. I am having this problem at the moment. Stealing/borrowing people from other bands is a good solution, especially if you've already seen them play and know what you're getting. Of course, they may jump ship if a better offer comes. I've never been involved in auditioning anyone, as I can't believe that it would work out - I distrust anyone who would answer wanted ads - if they can't get involved in something without answering an ad they're probably not the sort of person I'd want.

Rather than advertise we've made do with a drum machine in the past when we couldn't find a suitable drummer. Also swopped instruments around or simply retooled our material to fit who we could find to play it. Keeps things interesting.

Also - avoid all 'local scenes' at all costs.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah it is true that bands don't have to go on tour but they do have to spend a lot of time with each other - that was kind of a "worst case scenario" - i get on pretty well with my band but still nearly cracked up when we went on tour (and it was only a 5 date tour!) and Dom's probably gonna have to hit the road at some point if he really does have dreams of "musical stardom" as he says...

katie, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i want to form a band. i am fed up talking about music all the time & would like to make some for a change. but i don't want to sit in a smelly van and punch the trombonist when they miscue a chord change or miss the 23rd turnoff on the M6.

so i would only perform in arty spaces and use environment, involve members of the audience etc. perform outside, maybe, like asdas in roehampton, or on putney common, but definitely not shoreditch or hoxton they are all dullards there.

we could have regular friday evening gigs on the M40 at high wycombe asda; would cheer up miserable passengers on oxford tube taking four hours to get to stokenchurch.

but most importantly any band i form has to be indie in outlook. so you have to like belle & sebastian, right, and, er, delgados and other things which are like that and they are honest with no tory cocktails. and ballboy that's another good one.

i think maybe i will have to be this band in myself. ok i might be able to do isleworth.

Maurice E, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Marcello?

Dr. C, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dr. C OTM i think :)

katie, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But of course ;)

It was Stokenchurch wot gave you away, Carlin!

Dr. C, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Be like the Silicon Teens and just make up the rest of your band members. Get shop dummies on stage with you, and then to show your rage at having to perform with such dummies smash them to bits. Also, get a big tea crate, to hide the backing tape machines.

jel --, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The 'boat is about to go on a week-long tour up to Sydney with another band of some stature. I can see myself throttling my bass player because he is physically incapable of shutting the hell up when he's drunk. But other than that we get on like an house and fire..

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Screams, flames, people running for safety...

Matt, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

slain by elf

official: ILE = where old Urusei Yatsura fans come to die. rad.

petra jane, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Thought they were all hiding in the Strategic Hamlets.

Matt, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

slain by elf official: ILE = where old Urusei Yatsura fans come to die. rad.

Or in this case, old fans of multi-player arcade game GAUNTLET

Alan T, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Wizard is eating all the food!"

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

kill wizard

RickyT, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

An Italian guy, a trying to be cool gurl, a drum machine and a sequencer. WHAT THE FUCK R U WAITING TO BECOME THE NEXT THING IN ELECTROCLASH?

Chupa-Cabras, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

how did it go then?

max r, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

!

That mong guy that's shit, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

i make tunes with a mate i've known for years on the pc. it's the way foward innit.

max r, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 10:55 (eighteen years ago)

I placed an ad in a music shop, I was a possible bass player with two songs.

A drummer called. Met him, good.

A guitarist called. We met him, good.

A singer called. We met her, good.

So, we had a band.

It sounds simple. We tried, failed, split eventally, but had some fun times.

Subsequently, I realised that getting a band together via that method is super rare to the point of impossible! It was pure chance to say the least!

Mark G, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

Final proof that all music writers are failed musicians.

If you can class ver man Passantino as a music writer, that is.

King Boy Pato, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

lol at the many mentions of indie btw

King Boy Pato, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

After the failed wrestling career and failed indie porn career this was the last throw of the dice

DJ Mencap, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

I'd sooner take three people I knew and force them to learn instruments than start a band with strangers from a flyer.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)

With people you know you're also better-equipped to judge how capable you are of breaking their spirit and making them do what you want

That mong guy that's shit, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

No wonder Dom hates Eddie Argos!!

King Boy Pato, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

I joined a band via an advert about three months ago. So far it's working out prety well; they're all really nice and as I far as I can gather they don't think I'm a headcase.

Anna, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

With people you know you're also better-equipped to judge how capable you are of breaking their spirit and making them do what you want

so true

DG, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 13:00 (eighteen years ago)

I'd sooner take three people I knew and force them to learn instruments than start a band with strangers from a flyer.

i think this is how it works most of the time! at least when younger. most fun way to learn anyway.

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

these days i wouldn't even dream of being in a band with someone i didn't already know - i don't know how people do it.

electricsound, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

I've found it easier actually, not so political and band decisions don't reach over into the rest of your life - you can turn it off.

Anna, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

I'd sooner take three people I knew and force them to learn instruments than start a band with strangers from a flyer

I've changed my mind on this. Although both of my bands have people I've known for years in them, I may be looking to start up another band in the new year. I will be asking around first, but may have to advertise if I can't get the right people.

The thing is - how practical is it really to get people who have never played before to a decent standard quickly enough? They've got to be prepared to put in a LOT of work to do it. And why aren't they doing it already? I'm not saying it's not possible, but I wouldn't want to do it. Maybe you could persuade someone to learn another instrument if they're already musical and accustomed to playing in bands? (I've done that myself - it was fun for a while, but I'm never going to be a decent keybd player and I've switched back to guitar in that band.)

Dr.C, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

Re: looking for strangers or recruiting friends - it depends on your goals for your band. If you want to be "pro" and quickly get to the stage where you can play shows and make money and generally be "a serious band," you might be better off trying to recruit some people who have been in bands before and know their instruments really well. But if you want to actually have fun, recruit your friends. Basically it depends on if you look at playing music as a professional or a social endeavor.

n/a, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

Not sure I agree - I think it's more fun to be in an amateur band that can play well.

Ideal scenario = friends that can play.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)


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