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even in dilapidated Dewsbury where I live, local ppl complain all the Kirklees funding goes to fucking' Hudders, which has just been polled as the worst town in England to live in. Got to admit I feel a swell of civic pride in that accolade!

everything you say about London is true, glum, but surely you can see how even the word "provincial" contains within it a slice of what makes us stage provincial long to rip the piss

(xp) Tell me about it, stuff like this is the only time Paisley comes top in anything.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/958836/highest-murder-rate-UK-scotland-police-division-renfrewshire

Huddersfield only wins by default because all the other shitholes around us have City status!

xxp Yeah. I'm fine with ripping the piss. In the uk politics thread it comes across as actual prejudice, though.

ogmor of course not at all coming from a place with pound for pound more bloviating self-regard than london, oh no

hey guys let's all just agree that Leeds can fuck off

huh the turd city of the Northern Powerhouse? don't talk to me about sophistication .. etc

I like most cities I know and I think about Leeds and come up more or less empty. Maybe some of the buildings round the town hall are alright?

I've been there a couple of times. It isn't a lovable place at all but I do recall it having some sort of Christmas market at least. Generally to be avoided though

Christmas markets, where you can pay delightfully fairy tale prices for shit gluhwein and fudge

without turning into Scruton here, I think most of the new buildings in Leeds are a fucking eyesore. And that Bridgewater building that somehow the architects have turned into the perfect wind funnel is a hilarious classic though. It actually causes people to be blown in the air like confetti and blew over a large HGV one day.

Leeds Market is not bad tbf, but hardly worth travelling to.

Which reminds me, have we had this year's "£25 a head Christmas theme park in a disused industrial estate turns out to be shit" story yet?

the dangerous myth of 'london' is an affront to my cosmopolitan values as a citizen of nowhere. "i live in the most multicultural city on earth" the acolytes chant every morning for the duration of their 60 minute commutes. the myth makes working in a sprawling powerhouse of empire more appealing. "diversity is the thing that makes this thing better than the other things" they chant as they pay grossly inflated prices to their overlords.

sadly, rather than take heed of the more philosophically-sound rhizomatic structures of the north of england, where ppl live in a variety of more streamlined locales kept separate by an appropriate level of animosity, the cult of centralisation is being spread. a second powerhouse is proposed, a counterbalance, another pole to offset some of the more egregious effects of the island's cunt-magnet.

leeds has been turned into a Big Modern City through various arms of the hegemony. you can't judge it by itself, you have to factor in bradford and w yorks in general

I like Bradford a sight more than Leeds

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Bradford is an absolute classic. Some wonderful buildings and pubs all over the place, used to love working there.

Leeds's post-1980 architecture is fairly uniformly awful, but that's true of most of the UK. It has at least as much decent Victorian and Edwardian neoclassical and gothic revival as anywhere in Yorkshire, and the university is by my reckoning the second-best brutalist building in the county. And there's the Whitelocks. Anyway I like Leeds, I liked living there, so (I understand I'm going to be onto a bit of a loser here.

nice little arty cinema in Little Germany which is the building where the Labour party were formed.

sorry xp, not interrupting Tim's fine flow.

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― ogmor, Friday, 7 December 2018 13:49 (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trying to disguise your bigotry under layers of mutually annihilating irony doesn't make you seem like any less of a cunt, tbh, but I chuckled at some of the billious jokes. Having said that, Stewart Lee will need his fee for that post.

sorry everyone, please continue with the fine chat about british cities. Glad my ill temper has led to something worth reading.

(since we're on the subject of Yorkshire, Calz have you come across this book called Round About Town by Kevin Boniface? I think it's great. It's the observations of a Huddersfield Postman.)

Every city and every building is good.

you'll come round glum

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no, I'm a bit suspicious of locals Tim. Especially that clot from Marsden who writes bad poetry! But I'm presuming this might be worth checking out on your word and I'll look into it. On our football page they all rave over some 70's/80's hooligan memoir called Come On Then!

Treesh you have never seen Tamworth railway station

I think it's good. This (the first image on their site rather than one hand picked is a perfectly decent reflection of the flavour of the thing. It carries on like this.

http://www.colinsackett.co.uk/images/books/kbspreadone.jpg

you'll come round glum

― ogmor, Friday, 7 December 2018 14:09 (nine minutes ago)

Mate I've been hating London most of my life. Only in the last decade actually have I come to love it, and that's not through thinking of it as a political-economic superstructure for perpetuating Empire. I teach people from Southern Europe, China and the Middle East here, and most of my friends and acquaintances are immigrants too. I don't think of them as unwilling appendages of Imperial expansion or accessories of its effects. Maybe I should?

Which reminds me, have we had this year's "£25 a head Christmas theme park in a disused industrial estate turns out to be shit" story yet?

― biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Friday, December 7, 2018 2:39 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes!

lol amazing

can u advise that ur linking to an actual terrorist organisation next time u post a hyperlink kthx

^^^there's a bit of that famed london preciousness for you

thread delivers

i feel this interesting debate could be continued on a more focused thread:

https://i.imgur.com/waCoBx8.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/nrpG0ba.png?1

etc

those threads are propaganda. there are a few big metropolitan areas in england, all of them bear scars of industrialisation and empire and have cosmopolitan features like international educational institutions; being unwilling appendages of imperial expansion or accessories of its effects is our shared condition.

there's a weird paradox with 'london' as a way of understanding that part of SE england. on one hand there's the fiction that it's still fundamentally one place and can function as such if ppl will just congest themselves enough, on the other, an erasure of its hideous suburban periphery. just as the sterility of leeds & the deprivation of bradford are linked and should be understood in light of each other, the liberal, labour-voting urban areas shld be understood in relation to the commuter belt tory strongholds which surround & sustain them. anyway, i propose we split it into a dozen cities and dig a pit to hell in the centre

"and dig a pit to hell in the centre"

apparently that is what they recently did in Bradford City Centre. Haven't seen it yet, it was still a site last time I was there.

tired: water features and museums
wired: yawning abysses and the ever-more distant screams of the damned

pit to hell in the centre

camden ready-dug, saving time and money

breaking: hell erupts onto the streets of bradford, causing tens of millions of pounds' worth of improvements

the liberal, labour-voting urban areas shld be understood in relation to the commuter belt tory strongholds which surround & sustain them

other way round

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― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, December 7, 2018 1:55 PM (two hours ago)

Wait is this a post you were going to make elsewhere and thought better of or did you actually have this thread bookmarked? Because why the hell would anyone do that?

I have it bookmarked for the drama and views from the provinces

Yes but imagine keeping it bookmarked for the oblique bitchiness and then deciding that this particular round of British metropolitan defensiveness is just too much for you.

By now I thought it became an ILX meme that just means "This conversation has devolved beyond the point of no return and I'm checking out"

it's a space to have conversations that won't be derailed by tetchy brexit hypothesising

it's amazing all these posts here today that are responses to other threads bc they all seem to be in conversation with each other but i know that's not true

We blether where we like up here in the North

By now I thought it became an ILX meme that just means "This conversation has devolved beyond the point of no return and I'm checking out"

― Evan, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:17 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fp'd u for this