and have you ever done the one within - say - 24 hours of the other?
― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Kris, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― rainy, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Kris, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― dave q, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
The song, maybe.
― Graham, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
It just seems a bit boring and silly just doing war. Okay, how about doing something really fun like re-enacting the Last Days of Rome (I think I do that already), Tim Leary's house circa 1972, Mr. C from the Shamen's first E re-enacters.
It's all war, war, war with us monkeys isn't it?
― Lynskey, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― jel --, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Battle renactments seem a bit silly, but "Money for Nothing" is absolutely and completely coal-black evil.
― Nicole, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Do you want to know the reason why I make this connection?
― Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I find this amusing and significant because the clash of "I want my MTV" with this ostentatious and deliberate attempt to create a mythical, innoculated past exemplifies the divide between the idea of Britain that these events encapsulate, and the way Britain was actually going: the very heart of 1985.
Also helps that it was in Lincolnshire, always the repository of High Tory cranks. Colonel Sibthorp, a 19th Century ultra-reactionary (hated railways, the Industrial Revolution, everything) was the Lincoln MP once, and in our own time the county has been represented by Sir Richard Body (first elected in 1955, supporter of Robert Henderson, wrote a book called "England For The English", thought the CIA funded the yes vote in the 1975 EU referendum, "flapping of white coats" etc etc). Current Lincolnshire MPs still include Sir Peter Tapsell (who has likened the supposed German desire to dominate the EU to Nazism), the only remaining Tory MP from the Macmillan landslide of 1959, and the last 1950s survivor in the Commons, and Douglas Hogg (might also be a Sir), the son of the late Lord Hailsham (a man accurately summed up when he died as someone "instinctively suspicious of change in all things"). When I stayed near Grantham two years ago, my hosts were Hague supporters and Telegraph readers (and, wonderfully, the first thing I heard on the radio when I arrived was "The Real Slim Shady").
Body, Tapsell, Hogg and their ilk believed passionately in the Tories' ability to protect and conserve; the mid-80s heritage boom convinced them that the Thatcher govt was doing so: the phrase "I want my MTV" entering into its heart showed that its free market values were doing nothing of the sort.
In fact, I think of that use of "Money For Nothing" at Lincoln Castle as something of a flashpoint for everything that happened in Britain in the 1980s (broadly: those elected on the promise to conserve and restore the old order opening the floodgates for radical and unprecended change, because in the context of High Tory values even Dire Straits are Eminem). Marcello Carlin already knows this.
― Robin Carmody, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr Noodles, Sunday, 23 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)