Extremist Culture: Search And Destroy
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I don't like the music at all, whatever "extremist" music is. I mean,
I like some noise, but not all noise is affiliated with "extreme"
culture. I've had an interest in "extreme" stuff over the years -
mostly true crime stuff and the Apocalypse Culture books. Some of the
RE/Search stuff. I don't care for the ideology, especially when some
people can't recognize that they *have* an ideology. I'm just
interested in the extremes of human behavior. Or was. I'm into elves
and balloons and candy-colored flowery crap now.
G.G. Allin, I couldn't give a shit. So to speak.
Oh, and Peter Sotos used to work at the Vintage Vinyl in Evanston,
where he was kind of a joke amongst the locals - used to stand outside
the store in his leather pants when it was 90 degrees outside. He was
never rude to me when I was buying all of my 4AD and Incredible String
Band records, though. Guess even professional badasses have to make a
living.
― Kerry, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Anal Cunt would fall under the extremist rubric, yes?
I confess to having a few of their CDs. Can't be beat for separating
the wheat from the chaff, as it were. Funny song titles, too. (Of
course, the whole thing's a joke.)
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I still don't understand why Japan has such extreme forms of
porn. How a lot of their manga and anime is so disturbing:
connecting sex with violence. I think a lot of it has to do with their
culture: the way they have two *faces* and have to uphold that.
Anyhow I am a fan of Noise (a la Decaer Pinga/Prick Dcay)
because it's extreme and it doesn't care about rules.
― nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I suppose you mean cultural artifacts that are intimately acquainted
with the death drive, right? Dud. I'm not convinced that it has
anything to say to anyone who doesn't have their heads wired in a way
radically different from mine. I don't think you can be taught or
acculturated or seduced into liking this stuff.
The fact that "extreme culture" is even a
culture at all is
kinda disappointing. It seems weird to me folks who dedicate
themselves to the outer limits of human experience always seem to slot
themselves in such predictable ways - you know, same fixations, same
clothing, same cultural touchstones, same nipple-stretching
techniques, etc. -- just as with any other culture.
Oh wait…this is supposed to be a search and destroy, right? Hmm…I'll
give black metal and noise the benefit of the doubt even though I know
shit about either, so I'll put them in the search category,
along with true crime stories. Everything else can piss off.
― Michael Daddino, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
True-crime fits here, then? Okay - Search - 'Zebra'(Clark
Howard), 'Shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer' (Brian Masters), 'Cold Storage'
(Wendell Rawls Jr. - one of my all-time favorites, set in a barbarous
asylum for the criminally insane in the 1960s, see also the
documentary 'Titicut Follies'), 'Buried Dreams' (T. Cahill), 'Victim'
(G. Kinder), and for the trash-sleaze angle, 'And I Don't Want to
Live this Life' by Nancy Spungen's mom.
― dave q, Saturday, 4 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Search: Throbbing Gristle lps "Heathen Earth", "20 Jazz-Funk
Greats" "2nd Annual Report" "Thee Psychic Sacrifice". PTV "Dreams
Less Sweet". Just about any LP by Coil. Re-Search Press books -
"Pranks!" "Modern Primitives" "Industrial Culture
Handbook" "Brion Gysin/William Burroughs/Throbbing Gristle". All
books by J.G.Ballard, but esp "Crash", High Rise"
(great!!!) "Concrete Island". William Burroughs "The Naked Lunch".
I think that just about covers it. Some folks I know really rate 93
Current 93 and Nurse with Wound, but they really get on my wick.
Whitehouse are rubbish. Destroy them - "I'm coming up your ass"
indeed. pffff...Oh no you're not.
Take a look at the back cover
of "Hate" comic no2. See the pic of Lisa - "I Wanna be
Baaaaad!!!!" That was me. And a lot of my friends. Not any more,
though (me, and the friends, thankfully)
x0x0
― "E23", Saturday, 4 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I wondered when someone was gonna bring up that ol' perv Genesis P-
Orridge in this thread. Wonder why he slipped my mind, he and his
antics are tailor-made for a thread like this one. Then there was
that film four/five years ago about that guy who liked to do all
sorts of painful and nasty things to his body (title of which I can't
remember now, it did get a lot of play on the art-house/college film
coop circuit if I remember correctly).
The thing I've wondered about this sorta thing is where the viewing
public ultimately draws the line. I mean, advertising being what it
is I think that a lot of "extreme" stuff could be
advertised, esp. if the ad agencies smell a lot of money by doing so,
and thereby it gets distributed among mainstream society and outside
the "extreme ghetto." Think of the mainstreaming of s&m imagery, or
Madonna's picture book with her and animals eight years ago.
Obviously, the really hard, explicit stuff from those genres don't
get out but "softer" versions do. But where does marketing end and
the average person's gag reflex begin -- what, if anything, is so
repulsive to the average person that all the marketing and
advertising talent in the world couldn't sell it in large numbers?
That's a question I find interesting about this sort of thing.
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Saturday, 4 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Ballard is extreme? Surely not! I would pick Dennis Cooper over
HG. In the same style but then in another forum, Greg Araki. I
especially like Doom Generation.
― nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 4 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Tadeusz - I think you're talking about "Sick" - the film about Bob
Flanagan, the Supermasochist.
― Kerry Keane, Saturday, 4 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link