OK what do YOU think Gollum looks like?

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soon part two will be out and he will be visually fixed whether we want it or not

pauline baynes envisaged him kind of a cross between a maggot and the michelin man (off-white and sort of damp and spongy and icky looking)

i always thought of him like a kind of prancing scarab beetle, green-black iridescent walking on hind legs, with his head flush with his shoulders (which are also kind of his shell) but with big shining eyes

mark s, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

but how do YOU see him?

mark s, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Like he was in the first one - didn't you watch it?

david h(owie), Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(yeah i know but he wasn't around enuff to imprint really: in time or visibility) (film version = pretty close to tolk's own piXoRs, but I WANNA KNOW WHAT YOU SAW WHEN YOU READ IT)

mark s, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

When we used to play Dungeons & Dragons my mate Matt had a Gollum miniature, perfectly cast in lead. So I KNOW what he looks like. And it is Gareth Gates.

Nick Southall, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Who's got time to read that?

david h(owie), Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Whats a Gollum?

jel --, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.tolkienwinkel.nl/gollum.jpg

out of focus gollum, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.tolkienwinkel.nl/evilgollum.jpg

shrink-wrapped gollum, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.tolkienshop.com/272520.gif

!!!!, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Boring Bible stuff continued, Mark Im sure you know this already but anyway...

The Golem by Alden Oreck In Jewish tradition, the golem is most widely known as an artificial creature created by magic, often to serve its creator. The word "golem" appears only once in the Bible (Psalms139:16). In Hebrew, "golem" stands for "shapeless mass." The Talmud uses the word as "unformed" or "imperfect" and according to Talmudic legend, Adam is called "golem," meaning "body without a soul" (Sanhedrin 38b) for the first 12 hours of his existence. The golem appears in other places in the Talmud as well. One legend says the prophet Jeremiah made a golem However, some mystics believe the creation of a golem has symbolic meaning only, like a spiritual experience following a religious rite. The Sefer Yezirah ("Book of Creation"), often referred to as a guide to magical usage by some Western European Jews in the Middle Ages, contains instructions on how to make a golem. Several rabbis, in their commentaries on Sefer Yezirah have come up with different understandings of the directions on how to make a golem. Most versions include shaping the golem into a figure resembling a human being and using God's name to bring him to life, since God is the ultimate creator of life.. According to one story, to make a golem come alive, one would shape it out of soil, and then walk or dance around it saying combination of letters from the alphabet and the secret name of God. To "kill" the golem, its creators would walk in the opposite direction saying and making the order of the words backwards. Other sources say once the golem had been physically made one needed to write the letters aleph, mem, tav, which is emet and means "truth," on the golem's forehead and the golem would come alive. Erase the aleph and you are left with mem and tav, which is met, meaning "death." Another way to bring a golem to life was to write God's name on parchment and stick it on the golem's arm or in his mouth. One would remove it to stop the golem. Often in Ashkenazi Hasidic lore, the golem would come to life and serve his creators by doing tasks assigned to him. The most well- known story of the golem is connected to Rabbi Judah Loew ben Bezalel, the Maharal of Prague (1513-1609). It was said that he created a golem out of clay to protect the Jewish community from Blood Libel and to help out doing physical labor, since golems are very strong. Another version says it was close to Easter, in the spring of 1580 and a Jew- hating priest was trying to incite the Christians against the Jews. So the golem protected the community during the Easter season. Both versions recall the golem running amok and threatening innocent lives, so Rabbi Loew removed the Divine Name, rendering the golem lifeless. A separate account has the golem going mad and running away. Several sources attribute the story to Rabbi Elijah of Chelm, saying Rabbi Loew, one of the most outstanding Jewish scholars of the sixteenth century who wrote numerous books on Jewish law, philosophy, and morality, would have actually opposed the creation of a golem. The golem has been a popular figure in the arts in the past few centuries with both Jews and non-Jews. In the early 20th century, several plays, novels, movies, musicals and even a ballet were based on the golem. The most famous works where golems appear are Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, Karel Capek's R.U.R. (where the word "robot" comes from), Isaac Bashevis Singer's The Golem and The X-Files. There is also a character named Golem in J.R.R. Tolkien's classic series The Lord of the Rings. Today, there is even a golem museum in the Jewish Quarter of Prague. Sometimes, someone who is large but intellectually slow is called a golem. Other civilizations, such as the ancient Greeks, have similar concepts.

KG, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah i've wondered abt that link too: it might just be coincidence though (he is spelled "gollum" not "golem", and he is not a proto-robot)

mark s, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(see also pic on "i hate going out" thread)

but where are YOUR IMAGINED HEAD-PICTURES of the WEEZENED FISH-THROTTLING FELLA!!??)

mark s, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://ilex.cc.kcl.ac.uk/wlm/golem.jpg

keiji haino greets his fan, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-55704/photpers/gollum.jpg

trewartha to thread, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

like e.t., exactly

Maria, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Having seen the Rankin-Bass cartoons when I was young, I was stuck with that image in my brain for a long while:

http://www.stomptokyo.com/img-m5/rotk-e.jpg

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ahem.
http://www.efanguide.com/~lilbowwow/gallery1/1.gif

Alex in SF, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh Gollum's are cool! A gollum with one eye would be even better.

jel --, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, im with ned. the animated one is what's in my head

Ron, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

wasnt there some other animated golllum with blacker skin and big eyes with no pupils or something?

Ron, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That was the one from The Hobbit -- this is the Return of the King version.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i still have summor grate pix up my sleeve yes i do but i want DESCRIPTIONS OF YR INNER IMAGININGS ppl please ppl

mark s, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, okay -- animation damage aside, I always thought thin as a rake (obviously), a touch shorter than the hobbits, with lank hair (as mentioned in the books), an almost not there nose, large but not enormous eyes, jagged triangular teeth.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd post a picture, but my scanner is not working. Damn all that LPT port (SPP/EPP) stuff!...

jel --, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha Keiji is saying to the little girl: "Don't be afraid... Even if your nerves snap, you can tie them to a fragment of the universe..."

Gollum - looks like Eric Sykes.

Andrew L, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Gollum, hmm? I can't help picturing the mirror image of Strom Thurmond, only much shorter: perhaps 4ft 2, wrinkles all over, sinister twist to (what's left of) its lips, green glowing eyes, bones showing through its skin and clawlike feet.

Nichole Graham, Saturday, 22 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Goldplated Ring with necklace

This is a budget version of the One Ring. This one is made of 24k goldplated bronze on a goldplated 60cm/24" necklace. The ring is machine polished and is therefor not so fine as the above rings. You cannot wear these on your finger, for then it will rubb off and your finger gets green...

from an on-line franchise catalogue, Sunday, 23 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rossnbrg/died.jpg

has anyone read this? one of the characters is called lorĂ­en, Sunday, 23 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

He was called gllum cos of the sounds, not because of being golem like.

isadora, Sunday, 23 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

gollum finger puppet

mark s, Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
i think goullum looks like an goullum!!!!!

Lauren Wilson, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://home.graffiti.net/buglebear/gollum.gif

Gollum! (This is the last in my series of triangle eye pictures!)

jel --, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

jel wins!! ktee will be pleased also, as gollum is clearly NOT hobbitus hobbitus but some kind of vampire demon deal

mark s, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
http://www.brickshelf.com/
gallery/Obi-Juan-Kenobi/Lotr/gollum.jpg

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 16 September 2002 11:24 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Obi-Juan-Kenobi/Lotr/gollum.jpg

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 16 September 2002 11:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Steeeeeenky fissssssssssh!

(no 'orrible chips please, I am possibly some kind of mutated hobbit creature)

Sarah (starry), Monday, 16 September 2002 11:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Like a combination of Richard O'Brien as Riff Raff in the Rocky Horror Picture Show and Albert Steptoe but slimier and fishier.

gazza, Monday, 16 September 2002 11:54 (twenty-three years ago)

and with Marty Feldmans eyes. (rather than Betty Davis ones)

gazza, Monday, 16 September 2002 12:11 (twenty-three years ago)

The shrink wrapped Gollum is AWFULLY close to what I envisioned him looking like.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Monday, 16 September 2002 12:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Green with pointy ears, vaguely reptilian-like. I always had a hard time imagining him because he had to be reasonably small (in order for that whole slimy worm 'tude to go down), yet big enough to scare Bilbo (then again, everything scared Bilbo...)

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 16 September 2002 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

White skinned, average human height but frozen into a hunch by years of cavedwelling, huge white almost blind eyes, and oddly hard to see properly due to his history of effective invisibility. Hairless.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 16 September 2002 14:08 (twenty-three years ago)

found this this morning (by 'found' i mean clicked on a slashdot link)

Lego Lord Of The Rings:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=9222

which includes some great models (a lot of the minifigs are custom painted) including:

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Obi-Juan-Kenobi/Lotr/thumb/gollum.jpg_thumb.jpg

andy

koogs, Monday, 16 September 2002 14:13 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry, RickyT beat me to it with the picture. but check out the first link is you haven't already. ta.

andy

koogs, Monday, 16 September 2002 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Sort of like an upright, boney armed, stringy haired deep sea angler fish.

Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 02:53 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
This was finally answered, of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 November 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Ever since my friend Kevin has pointed out to me how much this girl I was in love with looks like Smeagol, it's been SOOOOO much easier to not think about her, and when I do I hear a little voice going "smeeeeee-guuuuhl" in the back of my head and I laugh and laugh and laugh...and then remember that I kissed her EW!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Sunday, 16 November 2003 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

his IS a proto-robot tho in that he exists to bring the ring back to its master, even though he thinks he's going to keep it for himself. he's got only one real instruction in the program: 10 GET RING 20 GOTO 10

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 16 November 2003 23:46 (twenty-two years ago)

he does keep it for himself tracer: he's the only person in the trilogy who turns out to be correct all along

mark s (mark s), Monday, 17 November 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah Mark! I dunno what happens yet!Whatcha wanna go do that for!

Johnney B (Johnney B), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

the film might be a little different tho innit

stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i am expecting Gollum to go apeshit, steal an APU from Zion and go kill all remaining Jedis

stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

in a Quidditch deathmatch natch

stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

seven months pass...
We thinks he looks like a frog of some sort, yes we does......not saying we are a frog.....tasssty frogses! WE DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A FROG, PRECIOUSSS, WE LOOKS LIKE A NORMAL STOOR HOBBIT! no.......YES!!!!............good bye, my love.....GRRRRR!

No Identity, Saturday, 26 June 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

Dud. Dull story, Aragorn has zero charisma, ridiculous ending iirc.

Still, kudos for the effort.

George Mucus (ledge), Thursday, 29 October 2009 10:12 (sixteen years ago)

Cool! Thanks, I was almost going to waste time on this :-)

StanM, Thursday, 29 October 2009 10:14 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dC9D27Vark

it's a meme i made and i like (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)


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