how can intelligent humans achieve happiness in a hypermediated and hypersexualised environment which shows every sign of worsening?

(DG/Tom, can you give this thread a more boring title?)

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I have to disagree. For a start, "disintermediate" doesn't mean switch off media, it means "take out the middle man". Secondly, what you're proposing is Postmanesque. It assumes that there is a place "outside society" where we can somehow "leave media behind" (yet still co-exist with other humans, live, work, breathe, eat, etc). This is by no means the case. Thirdly, whatever happened to the punk ethic: the idea that media is not just for professionals, and that anyone can do it? Here are three media ideas, now form a media organisation! Fourthly, switch off your Neil Postman puritanism and switch on your Thomas de Zengotita.

i'm getting to the point where i'm really sick of the "you don't understand, hiphop/r&b is a legit expression of a culture" argument. lately it seems less an expression as much as an exploitative and lame force that:

1. reinforces sexual stereotypes of the poor, and esp. that of the african-american poor
2. teaches kids (both boys and girls, of all races and classes) to disrespect women - and as such represents no alternative to mainstream american culture (as much as its defenders would like to see it as "subversive")
3. "treats objects as women" to borrow a big lebowski joke: attitude towards sex/women is acquisitive as important as bling and bentleys

i don't really propose any kind of solution, and i don't wanna sound like mr. grumpy backpacker or bill cosby or whatever (there is a ton of hiphop and r&b i like, but i'm also an adult (ha!)), but i do think that things in this sense are kinda fucked. and i find it disturbing. sometimes, esp. when on the train and i see this shit and no adults even react to it, i feel like i'm the only one. and there's nothing i can do (there's no way a 30 yo slovenly-dressed white dude has any authority over any teenager).

okay, everyone feel free to kill me now.

For Marla Ruzicka who inspires a few thousand kids to do good, there are a dozen vacant Paris Hilton types who inspire a couple of million kids to follow in her path. Sure hey, reality TV is entertaining, cell phones are wonderful, and let's play video games and watch shitty sitcoms until we die. Because at this point it probably doesn't matter, since society is quite possibly fucked far beyond what we can even imagine, thanks to the collective effects of the media in all forms, and thanks to the population explosions around the world that will render many a third-world country unlivable in the next twenty years, and thanks to fucking useless institutions like religion, which only serve to try and make us forget that we're all going to die alone.

Or at least that's what I think when I'm feeling super fucking cynical and I've been drinking beer! I'm usually much sunnier.

"ETHAN P CUM SHOT"

-- Dom Passantino, Saturday, June 22, 2002 12:00 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

i'm getting to the point where i'm really sick of the "you don't understand, hiphop/r&b is a legit expression of a culture" argument. lately it seems less an expression as much as an exploitative and lame force that:

1. reinforces sexual stereotypes of the poor, and esp. that of the african-american poor
2. teaches kids (both boys and girls, of all races and classes) to disrespect women - and as such represents no alternative to mainstream american culture (as much as its defenders would like to see it as "subversive")
3. "treats objects as women" to borrow a big lebowski joke: attitude towards sex/women is acquisitive as important as bling and bentleys

i don't really propose any kind of solution, and i don't wanna sound like mr. grumpy backpacker or bill cosby or whatever (there is a ton of hiphop and r&b i like, but i'm also an adult (ha!)), but i do think that things in this sense are kinda fucked. and i find it disturbing. sometimes, esp. when on the train and i see this shit and no adults even react to it, i feel like i'm the only one. and there's nothing i can do (there's no way a 30 yo slovenly-dressed white dude has any authority over any teenager).

okay, everyone feel free to kill me now.

I think a LOT of people are starting to feel this way about Hip Hop. You can see it in Jay-Z droppin Kingdom Come and RZA trying to do something different with 8 Diagrams.

Nas stated the obvious with Hip Hop is Dead.

For Hip Hop to come back to life, it has to undergo a rebirth of some sort, grow up in some way.

Its bound to happen.

I love Hip Hop but I do think it has more of an influence on kids attitudes, especially about sex and gender and relationships, and the influence is mostly detructive.

I don't think the answer is to censor, but there needs to be some evolution among people spiritually and mentally and I think you can start to see echoes of some change happening in the examples I mentioned before and tons of others...

I mean even Ghostface is supposedly going in a role model direction with his next album.

emogaze more liek emogays

I don't think that gangster shit and "disrespectful" Hip Hop has to stop, just that there has to be more of an alternative in the mainstream as well.

Everything used to be more balanced but now things are kind of lopsided.

But I digress, I feel like this has all been said before.

zackly doo, zackly

Controversial Colin

I guess I feel strongly about this because I'm an MC and I'm trying to go in a new musical direction with my Hip Hop, sort of letting it play a background role for now.

Also I'm going to be a teacher in NYC and I want those kids to have good role models in their lives.

Sorry if I'm boring you.

you are very earnest; it is nice

actually, i was making a reference to a widely loathed britishes poster of yesteryear who was prone to using alliterative screen names

paix

lol

its all good

serious answer: yes, I think hip-hop can have a destructive influence on kids without stronger positive influences on their life. But the drug trade and organized crime pre-date hip-hop, and those things will tend to take hold in communities without many other options regardless of what music is being played.

If you want to make positive hip-hop, that's awesome. And if you just want to create a space for it, encourage it somehow, that's awesome too. Best of luck w/ everything.

But talking about the evils of hip-hop is hella boring.

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"Some gizmo".

We at Slut Wear Inc. are offended by that cartoon.

Those Kelly strips bring some proper chuckles.

I sort of thought of this thread today when I happened across this site from Singapore.

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"ETHAN P CUM SHOT"

-- Dom Passantino, Saturday, June 22, 2002 12:00 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

-- and what, Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:00 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

never forget

"They fired me because I'm a furry!"

Really, now. Let's go down the checklist and see for certain whether it was the fandom's fault:

* Were you looking at `yiff art,' i.e. pictures of animal characters with humanlike mammaries and other reproductive organs at work? Are you aware that people also get fired for looking up pornography at work?
* Was your bizarre behavior (barking, yelping, walking around on all fours, fursuit wearing, etc.) driving away the company's more conservative customers, or disrupting the work of other employees?
* Were you spending too much on the web and not enough time working? Productivity is a concern in any company.
* Did you try to explain the fandom to a coworker by showing them `yiff art?'
* Did you break at least one company policy, even if it was a long time ago, such as working while intoxicated, fighting or sexual activity at the workplace, etc.?
* Did you try to download some type of flaky furry related program (Furcadia, MUCK clients, etc.) onto a work computer?

* Did you show up for work on mufti day in a bear suit with the seat cut out?

* Did you make love to a li'l doggie during office hours?

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/19/conservative_leader_porn_is_a_form_of_pagan_sexuality/

His grand thesis is that pornography is an anti-Christian vestige of a sick pagan world: “What we really have is a pagan sexuality, which is totally different from a Christian sexuality. Homosexuality, infidelity, euthanasia, infanticide – these were all common sexual practices of pagan Rome. Christians were for being very different, for being monogamous, faithful.” Using the precise tools of social science to which his organization is dedicated, Pagan explained in his talk that, “There’s a pagan sexuality which is a pan-sexuality which is the erotic. Abortion, homosexuality, infidelity, pornography, euthanasia, infanticide all of those things were just the common sexual practice of pagan Rome and Christians were for being very different. Monogamous, faithful, struggling, etc…you know the chastity, purity.”

According to Fagan, “Those who are monogamous have the best sex they’ll ever know, because they don’t know anything else.”

That's like saying "Plain oatmeal is the best meal I'll ever know, because I've never eaten anything else!"

but strictly speaking, that's true!

*eats plain oatmeal*

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i'm imagining his great sex right now

"was appointed Deputy Assistant Secretary for Family and Community Policy at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services by President George H.W. Bush"

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i think that portrait was done on a ray-tracer

the moustache routine on their software was next-level