"It was a queer, sultry summer, the summer they electrocuted the Rosenbergs, and I didn't know what I was doing in New York."

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So runs the first line in Sylvia Plath's The Bell Jar, which I'm now reading for the first time ever. Just started a couple of hours back and I'm already a third of the way through it, may even finish it by tonight -- go ahead and spoil away, I won't read the thread again until I've finished it, but wanted to see if I could start some discussion in advance.

Grew up knowing the name of Plath more than her work, and sometimes I would stumble across her influence in the oddest of ways (for instance, the name of an obscure Tears for Fears B-side, "Johnny Panic and the Bible of Dreams," as taken from the short story of the same name). Taught a bit of the poetry at one point in college, read a bit of some biographies about her and Ted Hughes, got a strong sense of her being very much the injured party through and through there (I gather there's been some revisionism in the wake of Hughes's death and his collection of poems about her).

The Bell Jar was only a cover to me in high school -- I seem to remember it being crumpled up on the paperback copy someone was reading, a white cover I think. Having taken the plunge, I am finding it very worthy, and in many ways it feels less distant that the near fifty years' difference between setting and the present day. The tone, the issues, the portrayal of urban settings and emotional stumblings...something about it makes me think of now and not then, at least so far (perhaps later in the novel the differences in time will become clearer). Right now what resonates with me most is the sense of feminine intelligence being crushed down by a skewed societal sense of expectations, crushed or being channeled into something else 'safe.'

I am still digesting it slowly in ways, but I appreciate both Plath's constant flashes of poetic comparisons (the early vision of a drink being 'dead water' to the narrator is sticking with me) and the almost absurd humor at many points, not slapstick and not completely black humor, but at points hints of both. Narrator speaking of Buddy undressed and thinking only of 'turkey neck and turkey gizzards' -- freaking brilliant.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

New 'Peter the Hermit and Walter the Penniless...they're from Dartmouth' answers.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Then get ready to lose your lunch over the Plath bio-pic

Chris Barrus, Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic: Sylvia Plath's poetry.

Dud: Sylvia Plath reading her poetry. Never ever listen to her recordings. She's got this obnoxious-as-fuck haughtiness which is almost totally at odds to the brutally mordant tone of the poems.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ned, you should read atwood's 'edible woman'

Josh, Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I loved the novel.

anthony, Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

For me Sylvia Plath is influenced by Julianne Moore. I imagine them both with the same type of proud armor that always threatens to melt away to helpless fright when push comes to shove. In a writer this is winning. In an actress it's shrill. Or maybe JM is the wrong choice. Do you all imagine an actress who embodies her?

Tracer Hand, Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That biopic does scare me, it does.

Julianne Moore...interesting comparison. Let me dwell on it and the novel a bit more. I have now completed it -- it's a quick read, but certainly one that provides much food for thought. The edition I read was the 1996 one with a brief introduction and biography that shed some interesting light on how she herself saw the book, its roman-a-clef nature and how she saw it as a bit of a 'pot-boiler,' to use her own terminology. I am intrigued by the sudden, choppy nature of its progression -- how certain scenes seem to just start then end (the conclusion of the book being the final touch in that regard). Hmm...more thoughts tomorrow, I think!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"That lady was crazy." - a high school friend's only comment on seeing me reading this book.

I love The Bell Jar. No one ever described the experience of a breakdown - the weird blankness of feeling, the growing paranoia, the almost casual attitude toward suicide - better than Plath. I reread it last year and thought it was even better the second time around. The New York chapters are probably my favorite, especially the early bit where she orders the vodka.

I must have overdosed on her poetry back when I did my Plath report in high school, though, since I can't get into it at all anymore. It's technically brilliant - shows Hughes up for the tame, workmanlike poet he was - but it just doesn't grab me anymore. Except for "Daddy," which remains as queasy and disturbing as ever. Part of the appeal of Plath is she doesn't seem to know when she's going OTT, with the Nazi symbolism and all. Maybe that's a flaw but it makes it seem all the more compelling.

Justyn Dillingham, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Michael, that would make it all the more sad. How horrible is it that depression is hiding so deep inside you and the outside is completely at odds with it.

nathalie, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'Bell Jar' is a gas!!! Nothin' says lovin' like somethin' in the oven

dave q, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Pinefox to thread.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sylvia Plath: Godmother of Goth?

So I'm asking myself why I feel so full of loathing as I re-read the bell jar and the poetry, and it occurs to me that all I see in it is a spineless, narcissistic obsession with human weakness.

it also occurs to me that maybe I am not separating the author from the narrator the way I would for a (male) author like Nabokov, but then again, isn't the predicate of all Plath's work a sort of adolescent melodramatic grandstanding that deliberately confuses the two?

these are not rhetorical questions. I've never been able to fully articulate why I loathe her work so much, and I would love to be persuaded differently by someone here, but with my knee now in full jerking mode is there anything in her work other than histrionic self pity plus clumsy gothy imagery and metaphors (the black telephone's off at the root / the voices just can't worm through) oooh look she's going crazy. And don't even start me on the whole Nazi thing.

Senor Pulpo, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Actress that embodies her, I would hazard Judy Davis. There arent many roles given to women to portray this kind of dark and sensitive power and seething.

If Christina Ricci hadnt gotten a boob job, she would have been on the way, she could have been her as a girl. It has to be someone less pop. *thinks*

jeskam, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Note to Ted Hughes: "Dinners on the table, Mum's in the oven".

Pete, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'The Silent Woman', Janet Malcolm's bk on the whole Hughes/Plath saga, is urgent and key.

Andrew L, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

germain greer on hughes/plath (paraphrase): when you're the most handsome man at a party and a gorgeous woman comes over and BITES YOUR CHEEK, don't walk way, RUN AWAY, for she is a mentalist and you are doomed if you go with her

mark s, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sylvia Plath: Godmother of Goth?

I (less than fairly) dismiss The Bell Jar and Catcher in the Rye because I associate both books with some of their...overly earnest fans. It's been more than a decade since I read The Bell Jar; I probably ought to pick up that 1996 edition someone mentioned.

j.lu, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I love the book an offil lot as I said in an article that my editor never brought out.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hahahaha

david h, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"The Bell Jar" was one of the only books I'd no interest in reading, but I noticed it was on the High School honours reading list every semester. Suppose I thought it was too depressing a subject. (Funny that I picked up on Victor Hugo's "Les Miserables" like a shot.)

I'm curious: Did 'The Bell Jar" ever become a play? I may be remembering it wrong, but I think it was!

Nichole Graham, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You're thinking of "The Miracle Worker".

J Blount, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sandra Bullock and Jason Lee are currently making a Bell Jar movie as we speak.

Pete, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sandra Bullock receives jolt to head, opens eyes, says spunkily "that made me hungry! you guys got any wheaties in this joint?"

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i mean you ARE kidding, right??

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nope, Cameron Crowe's directing.

J Blount, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Between this and the biopic, I am thoroughly flummoxed.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ten months pass...
so is the bell jar movie still a go?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

It's been on hiatus with Crowe directing an adaptation of Dr. Faustroll in the mean time.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha, I read The Bell Jar and Girl, Interrupted in high school at about the same time. Only several years later did I realize how odd that was, being that I'm not a girl, nor was I particularly depressed at all back then. (But moody, outcast girls are endlessly fascinating!)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 20:15 (twenty-three years ago)

If you're desparate for a fix, check this one out:http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll

Altough I've read it isn't very good.

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 20:32 (twenty-three years ago)


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