Why not class warfare?

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People pass prohibitive judgement on actions just by claiming that they might constitute or lead to class warfare, as if it's somehow self-evident that that's a bad thing. Fuck man, seems to me it's just what we need.
Or, actually, more like we already are, only the attacks by those "above" are legal and encouraged, while any movement in the other direction is quashed.

Dan I., Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

this is very vague

mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes...

Dan I., Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, I'm sorry. This whole Pledge thing (as almost totally unrelated as it is) has put me in that vague mood in which one hates how the Stupid Majority insist on doing what's bad for themselves, and one can't get that quote by can't-remember-who about nobody ever losing money betting on human stupidity out of one's head.

Dan I., Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yeah! it's called "being really grumpy and spiteful". Yeah. That's me. Right now. :(

(I even used one of those things is how disgusted by it all I am)

(and I'm sure I'm part of it, too, in some way that I can't see from my own perspective, which makes it all so much worse. I mean, consume commercial goods, I let myself be exploited. It's like the system itself is self-perpetuating and even if we all didn't want it to be that way it would hold us nonetheless )

Dan I, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

from the outside, dan, the public and managerial overreaction to the pledge thing looks like unease not confidence, a subliminal awareness of the usa's deep deep deep social disarray and dividedness: if the unity was monolithic and comfortable, there'd be no NEED for a pledge

in the 50s, the rhetoric of the usa's successful, easeful, triumphant, modernised, integrated utopia was i. pervasive (= cold war propaganda) and ii. a cultural disaster (a few tv images of racist cops in birmingham loosing dogs on black school kids, and half the white suburban kids raised on the utopian rhetoric were flung into anti-american turmoil => the 60s)

lies also always corrode the system that requires them to survive (another potent example: eastern europe 20 yrs ago)

mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't quite underastand the pledge thing but...In england, there is an increasing gap between rich and poor (leading to a lot of social problems) and if steps aren't taken to sort this out I can see some sort of class warfare, that is for sure.

Julio Desouza, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yr all fucking borgies

Queen fo the buscuits in the oven and the buns in G's bed, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That god stuff was added during the cold war in an effort by the american leaders to make their nation obviously different from the atheist commies. yeah.
It's been said before and I'll say it again, USA aint a nation under god, it's a nation undereducated, under stress and under delusion of grandeur.
About the original question: when rarety will be abolished by nanotechnology there wont be no need for class warfare. In the meantime hang in there et chacun pour soi... not! anarchist lifestyle rules but personnally I find it's a bit of a burden since it's not that popular. et glou!

The Hegemon, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hey I was bitching that almost nobody in the media mentions the god schtick was a manipulation from the cold war and what da I know having not read properly, mark s said it before me. I must have just "speed read" it and my subconscious remembered me I had someting to say on the subjec, this is probably what happened. yeah. Hello world, usually I read mark s post carefully you can quote me on that

The Hegemon, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

eight years pass...

“Felony convictions have some pretty serious job implications for someone in Mr. Erzinger’s profession, and that entered into it,” Hurlbert said.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/11/08/how-to-buy-your-way-out-of-a-felony-charge/
On July 3, Erzinger was driving his black Mercedes in Eagle, Colorado, and ran over a cyclist — New York physician Steven Milo — from behind. Erzinger immediately drove away from the scene of the crime, eventually stopping in a parking lot on the other side of town, where he called the Mercedes auto assistance service and asked that his car be towed.
i mean, in bonfire of the vanities, at least the guy had to cover up what he did.

kamerad, Monday, 8 November 2010 17:51 (fifteen years ago)

A little confused -- it sounds like the prosecutors made the decision so the perpetrator would be in a position to pay restitution in a civil suit, which isn't a totally terrible reason.

Kinect: The Body Is Good Business™ (Hurting 2), Monday, 8 November 2010 18:20 (fifteen years ago)

sure it is!

sounds to me like they didn't want to prosecute because a felony on you can be, like, a problem for a big shot.

goole, Monday, 8 November 2010 18:22 (fifteen years ago)

god forbid someone rich should go to jail for a little hit and run. he has money to manage!

norton and ariely's survey about the optimum distribution of wealth has been making the rounds lately. good to hear from them directly

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-norton-wealth-inequality-20101108,0,1887934.story

If Americans say they want a country that is more equal than they believe it to be, and they believe that the country is more equal than it actually is, the question becomes how we lessen these disparities. Our survey didn't ask what measures people would be willing to support to address the wealth gap. But to achieve the ideal spelled out by those surveyed, about 50% of the total wealth in the United States would have to be taken from the top 20% and distributed to the remaining 80%.

that'll be the day

kamerad, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:20 (fifteen years ago)

pshaw, simply invest what you were left with in burger king stock, reginald

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:21 (fifteen years ago)

three years pass...

teach the (poor) children well, their father's hell, can slowly go by . . .

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/03/working-class-kids-middle-class-fit-in

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 16:53 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/nyregion/at-nail-salons-in-nyc-manicurists-are-underpaid-and-unprotected.html

“audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 May 2015 12:03 (eleven years ago)

great timing

love, britain

an absolute feast of hardcore fanboy LOLs surrounding (imago), Friday, 8 May 2015 14:12 (eleven years ago)

(the answer is that I'd be amongst the first lot against the wall, obv)

an absolute feast of hardcore fanboy LOLs surrounding (imago), Friday, 8 May 2015 14:13 (eleven years ago)

On my feed of that article is the most appropriate accompaniment, that weird picture of John Travolta (with his name on a folding chair in case you didn't recognize him - uh oh) with a threatening pointy jet in the background. Anybody else have this?

Vic Perry, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:19 (eleven years ago)

Thank goodness for the perspective in the Times letter column from Charlie of Boston who knew all about this already because he's so smart:

Charlie Boston Yesterday
Its a well-written piece, but is it really necessary? Any thinking person could see what's happening in these shops just walking by-- it's plainly obvious and has been for many years. Anyone who pays $10 to a business for an hour of human labor is either willfully exploiting another human, or in deep, deep denial.

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Well Charlie, I'd say that somebody who goes to the trouble to post a variant of "is this really news" is kind of a dope since you could have done the next step and figure that your post is clearly just as inevitable as the originating article, and therefore just as unnecessary. "It's plainly obvious" as you would say.

Vic Perry, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:27 (eleven years ago)

Can you and Charlie have this conversation elsewhere

italosVEVO (wins), Friday, 8 May 2015 15:17 (eleven years ago)

Yeah the active conversation on this thread is being interrupted.

Vic Perry, Friday, 8 May 2015 15:39 (eleven years ago)

http://media.gotraffic.net/images/i_Yu58B.xZ_A/v1/-1x-1.jpg

“audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 May 2015 14:28 (eleven years ago)

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/05/grim-racist-methods-of-one-brooklyn-landlord.html

real estate agent and landlord using a pseudonym explains his business (maybe this has been mentioned on another thread since it involves class and race)

We’re small, so we look into places that haven’t caught on — we just did a place on Nostrand Avenue. People are not even there yet. We put in $600,000 and everyone was laughing at us. “It’s crazy, you’re over there. A building for yuppies, white people? It’s not going to work.” The building was full of tenants — $1,300, $1,400 tenants. We paid every tenant the average of twelve, thirteen thousand dollars to leave. I actually went to meet them — lawyers are not going to help you. And we got them out of the building and now we have tenants paying $2,700, $2,800, and they’re all white. So this is what we do.

curmudgeon, Monday, 18 May 2015 15:49 (eleven years ago)

I swear that where I live there is a conspiracy to make real estate speculators rich. Architecturally significant homes are selling for $100,000 or less. Because it is a majority black area, they can go on FB or anywhere else and lie and say it's a ghetto. I know the neighbors, it's NOT a ghetto. These people are sitting on goldmines, but their homes are valued at one hundred grand or less.

I have come to despise white people because of the greed I have seen.

Freeland Avenue (I M Losted), Monday, 18 May 2015 22:54 (eleven years ago)

one month passes...

http://justinkan.com/fun-with-magic

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 June 2015 16:04 (eleven years ago)

a+ find

got bent (mild cheezed off vibes) (s.clover), Sunday, 21 June 2015 19:28 (eleven years ago)

"christ, what an asshole"

maura, Sunday, 21 June 2015 20:33 (eleven years ago)

is that satire? what is that? i'm dumb.

wizzz! (amateurist), Sunday, 21 June 2015 20:48 (eleven years ago)

(i don't have a smartphone, which might explain why that link mystified me.)

wizzz! (amateurist), Sunday, 21 June 2015 20:48 (eleven years ago)

i don't think that's a real phone service

Treeship, Sunday, 21 June 2015 20:54 (eleven years ago)

http://getmagicnow.com/

1staethyr, Sunday, 21 June 2015 21:08 (eleven years ago)

huh i stand corrected. uber seemed like magic to me at first too

Treeship, Sunday, 21 June 2015 21:14 (eleven years ago)

it's real

https://twitter.com/justinkan/status/612481525813133312

maura, Sunday, 21 June 2015 21:16 (eleven years ago)

Cortana needs to up her game or Clean Bandit are jumping ship

imago, Sunday, 21 June 2015 21:30 (eleven years ago)

they accept bitcoin, awesome

sarahell, Sunday, 21 June 2015 22:35 (eleven years ago)

would exploit

example (crüt), Monday, 22 June 2015 03:24 (eleven years ago)

http://www.theawl.com/2015/06/the-members-only-penthouse-for-millennials

, Monday, 22 June 2015 15:22 (eleven years ago)

i will not make class warfare on 龜 if he gives me his TV.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 June 2015 15:27 (eleven years ago)

“I was at dinner at La Esquina with friends, and we were all talking about how much we wanted a black card,” McFarland told the New York Times in December 2013. “So, that night, I did a ton of research on how to add a magnetic strip to a metal card without demagnetizing it and ruining data,” he said. “I got ahold of a place in China that could embed the magnetic strip onto the metal, and I had one made.”

Most coverage of Magnises thus far has focussed on this: that it is “the hot new way to spend money among NYC’s young elite,” as the New York Post described it last August. The Magnises card—which is, of course, black—is not actually itself a charge card, but can be used, for two hundred and fifty dollars per year, following an application process heavily reliant on referrals, in place of one’s normal debit or credit card; it is, essentially, a clone of an already existing card.

pathetic

j., Monday, 22 June 2015 15:31 (eleven years ago)

three months pass...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/us/for-offenders-who-cant-pay-its-a-pint-of-blood-or-jail-time.html?_r=0

MARION, Ala. — Judge Marvin Wiggins’s courtroom was packed on a September morning. The docket listed hundreds of offenders who owed fines or fees for a wide variety of crimes — hunting after dark, assault, drug possession and passing bad checks among them.

“Good morning, ladies and gentlemen,” began Judge Wiggins, a circuit judge here in rural Alabama since 1999. “For your consideration, there’s a blood drive outside,” he continued, according to a recording of the hearing. “If you don’t have any money, go out there and give blood and bring in a receipt indicating you gave blood.”

For those who had no money or did not want to give blood, the judge concluded: “The sheriff has enough handcuffs.”


i mean

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 14:47 (ten years ago)

The record at the county jail shows that no one was taken into custody that day. The court clerk said in a brief interview that there had been no intention of jailing anyone; Mr. Crocker said this was because everyone decided that having blood taken was better than going to jail.

However, Sara Zampierin, a lawyer at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said that in the handful of instances she reviewed of people who gave blood, none had received the $100 discount they had been promised.


so this worked out fine

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 14:48 (ten years ago)

wow

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 17:51 (ten years ago)

four months pass...

not sure about that tie

ogmor, Monday, 14 March 2016 13:33 (ten years ago)

is that tie purple?

^ 諷刺 (ken c), Monday, 14 March 2016 14:06 (ten years ago)


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