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Just read a great article about race + marijuana arrests in New York by Mark Jacobson: http://nymag.com/news/features/58995/

I don't think there's another thread like this -- a place to discuss the current movements to legalize marijuana (medicinally or otherwise) throughout the United States (and anywhere else that interests people), and any other legal/political/racial issues involved.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

Also, I don't know how it works, but if it makes people feel more comfortable maybe a mod can unindex this thread from google? (If not, can we move it to 77 or something?)

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

Cary Tennis' last column on Salon is called "How I Became a Pothead": http://www.salon.com/life/drugs/index.html?story=/mwt/col/tenn/2010/06/03/marijuana

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

Some other more recent stories:

Marie Myung-Ok Lee's "Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot" Series from Slate:
http://www.slate.com/id/2251174/

Marijuana inspiring Cuisine in NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/dining/19pot.html

Jack Shafer telling NY Times they are ridiculous for writing that piece:
http://www.slate.com/id/2254397/

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

not sure i want to read "why i gave my 9-year-old pot" but.. hm..
intriguingly, my mom's position on weed has flipped--she used to bother me about 'becoming a druggie' and now she is all 'oh, i think pot should be legalized.' maybe she's been lighting up?

ian, Sunday, 6 June 2010 18:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

living in massachusetts i can openly smoke pot at my gay wedding, but good luck to the rest of you.

scott seward, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://johngushue.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/19/bob_dylan_greenwich_village.jpg

Come gather round people wherever you roam...

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

I cannot help but conclude, after a lifetime of observation, that the present power regime in the USA will never consent to legalize drugs, even if it results in more rational regulation of these activities, a massively lowering of the costs of incarceration (both social as well as monetary), and a cutting off of the funding for huge criminal organizations.

There's just too much money at stake in continuing the drug war now. The cops are mostly in favor of it, because it gives them more power and money, and they get to look like they are saving society from a scourge, while they are just engaging in a lot of fruitless, showy, theatrical idiocy. The prison industry is all for it. And politicians love it, because hating on druggies is the opposite side of the coin from loving mom and apple pie.

Against such stupidity even the gods contend in vain.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

Really? Cause the winds seem to be heavily blowing towards legalization.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

Just became medically legalized in NJ, NY is currently looking to medically legalize it.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

i hate the focus on medical though, no one should have to give a reason or be able to see a doctor to engage in freedom

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

Those winds of legalization will die away to a whisper in the South. If the Feds maintain prohibition, then the states will not be able to enact the kind of reform and regulation that will do a proper job of it.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm okay with that. I think that if it becomes legal (or de facto legal) in enough of the country, eventually that'll push things over federally too. You just need to build some momentum, and I see momentum all over the place.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

If we could just strangle enough RRW Republicans, then maybe...

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

... but moral scruples forbid me to discuss this line of thought.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

i hate the focus on medical though, no one should have to give a reason or be able to see a doctor to engage in freedom

― harbl, Sunday, June 6, 2010 3:14 PM (41 minutes ago)

idk, i agree totally about pot and think that all drug possessions should be decriminalized, but i wouldn't extend that 'freedom' to other illicit drugs or prescription medications obv

fman29.5 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

neither would i!

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

ha yeah i basically figured that's what you meant, i'm in lolcollege so i've had one too many conversations w/ ppl who are like yeah pot should be legal! fuck it all drugs should be legal!

fman29.5 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

penalties in ca may be reclassified (no longer misdemeanor)

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/cannabis-chronicles/marijuana-possession-less-than/

not posey: a problem (tremendoid), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think the legalization ballot measure is going down fwiw, but the fact that it's a question is amazing even given the state of bud politics here.

vast majority of la dispensaries needing to ROLL with the punches meanwhile
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_15235255?source=rss

not posey: a problem (tremendoid), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

they're pushing to get full legalization on the ballot in oregon this fall

what it feels like for a goon (The Reverend), Sunday, 6 June 2010 21:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Also, I don't know how it works, but if it makes people feel more comfortable maybe a mod can unindex this thread from google? (If not, can we move it to 77 or something?)

― Mordy, Sunday, June 6, 2010 12:37 PM (4 hours ago)

I've done this, though if it's kept to politics rather than personal habits, I don't know how necessary it was.

Grisly Addams (WmC), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

i hope it's not just a lolcollege idea to want to see see all drugs legalized. obviously we're not talking crack being freely available to schoolkids from the corner shop here; there would besome kind of sliding scale of control, e.g. cannabis as free as tobacco, e/speed/coke over the counter at the pharmacy, heroin perhaps only on prescription for registered addicts. i really don't see the benefit in having any substance completely criminalised. it does not effectively discourage use; it turns ordinary people into criminals - at best merely for usage/possession, at worst for having to commit crime in order to maintain a supply; it enables an enormous criminal trade; it means there is no control over substance purity. if drugs were under government control they would be clean and pure, they could be taxed to help fund treatment for addicts, and there would surely be a huge reduction in drug related crime.

ok maybe things wouldn't be quite that rosy. but it's clear the current system is a complete failure. and in general while i'm far from libertarian i am a strong believer in personal liberty and the idea of the government having such a strong say over what i choose to put into my body is anathema to me.

sent from my neural lace (ledge), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

no i don't think the lolcollege thing refers to what you're talking about, just a certain type of libertarian thinking. i don't believe in drug criminalization either for the same reasons as you said, it has done a lot of very bad things to america in my opinion.

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 23:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

Full legalization is a LONG way away. The area of law I practice in, employment, is one of the areas where this is really clear: The California Fair Employment and Housing Act, or FEHA, recognizes the use of some prescription drugs, and mandates that employers, in certain situations, must accommodate the user of those drugs if the use of those drugs somehow limits their ability to do their job.

But it doesn't provide the same protections to medical marijuana. The way in which the Compassionate Care Act of 1996 was drafted, it addresses only the criminal aspects as it pertains to patients. It doesn't address employment aspects, or any of the other ways in which marijuana can impact lives. The CA Supreme Court ruled that employers do not have to accommodate compassionate care users for precisely this reason - the Act doesn't address employment law. Kind of a legal punt, but it drew attention to just how narrowly the Compassionate Care Act is drawn. There was an Oregon decision recently which arrived at the same rationale. Now, if two of the most pot-friendly states in the country have rulings like that on the books, the 9th circuit is not likely to hold another way if a case were to make it that far.

But the decriminalization has been good. And, in reality, no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag. Driving while doing smoking/stoned? Another story, as well it should be.

Let Amare go ham like he was all you can eating it (B.L.A.M.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 23:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag.

if you have the right color of skin

donk quixote (The Reverend), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

I doubt we'll ever see pot legalized, though it would be so convenient if it was. OK, maybe not "ever," but I really seriously doubt it'll happen in the next 20-40 years, or so long as we have Mormons in the U.S.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

Rev otm, and if you're in the "wrong" neighborhood, you'd be surprised how small an infraction you can end up in handcuffs for

the mom most likely to comprehend juggalos (J0hn D.), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag.

if you have the right color of skin

― donk quixote (The Reverend), Monday, June 7, 2010 10:02 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark

I used to work at a diner where for dishwashers we hired convicts who were trying to get back on their feet, and they were mostly black guys that had been in jail for years and years after being busted in this way. Legalization is in a large part a civil rights cause.

Adam Bruneau, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think the legalization ballot measure is going down fwiw

why do you think this...? I haven't seen any authoritative polling to-date.

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 16:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/31/local/la-me-0601-poll-20100529

i just have a feeling. people don't pay attention to propositions, even this one, until the ads start ratcheting up and the opposition has a lot of boogeymen to unleash, not to mention opposing the measure more forcefully in the coming months is low-hanging fruit for both of the likely gub nominees. from what i've seen, trying to put myself in the shoes of the 'average voter' the pro argument as articulated feels kind of ad-hoc but that could change too.

edd|e house is not a homie (tremendoid), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Besides the Office of National Drug Control Policy, who funds opposition advertising? Someone said the cigarette companies spend a lot on opposition advertising, but I couldn't find any data to support that. Anyone here know?

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

cigarette companies are all broke I thought

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

I would not be surprised if it were religious people (cough cough Mormons). If there *were* a national vote, you bet the Mormon Church would do a Prop-8 style $$$$ push to shut that shit down. I promise.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

are tobacco companies even allowed to spend campaign money? so many lawsuits/civil suits have crippled the industry

xp

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

If there *were* a national vote, you bet the Mormon Church would do a Prop-8 style $$$$ push to shut that shit down. I promise.

I can see this happening. at the same time, most of the country does not love Mormons, much less being told what to do by Mormons.

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

like what is the percentage that thinks Mormons aren't "really" Christians...? it's pretty high iirc

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Well, sure, but it worked w/Prop 8, right?

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

And it's not like they would advertise, "WE, the MORMONS, want you to never smoke pot! And also we don't really have multiple wives. Brought to you by THE MORMONS."

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

Sponsored by the Mormons For Curtailing Your Fun Committee for America (c)

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

At any rate, this topic of converrsation ("will pot be legalized") always kind of feels like a mass funtime of projections of the speakers' pasts & desires. I, por ejemplo, would love for pot to be legalized, but grew up in a community where smoking weed was tantamount (in perceived riskiness & evilness) to smoking meth. This informs my perspective. I imagine someone who grew up in a less conservative area, or had pot-smoking parents, would have a more optimistic view. ANd someone who thinks weed is bad, and has never smoked it, would naturally be more inclined to say it's so not gonna happen. I feel in some ways like there's no way to know.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

i suspect in my lifetime we will see the states where it's been cleared for medical purposes legalize it wholesale; everywhere else will be in sort of limbo between where we are now and full legalization

used to bull's-eye Zach Wamps in my T-16 back home (will), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

It seems to me that once it's become fully legalized in a few states, it'll be de facto legal everywhere. They can't exactly set up state border patrols to make sure you aren't buying in NJ and driving it up to NY, or whatever.

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

still pretty illegal in lots of europe, despite amsterdam

iatee, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

Europe's different

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

As far as I know, Prohibition was repealed everywhere all at once, but an interesting comparison might be individual state tax laws on vices. Technically, afaik, it's illegal to buy alcohol in NJ and then drive it into PA, but this obviously happens all the time, whenever someone in Cherry Hill picks up a bottle of wine and then drives to his friend's place in Philadelphia, and it's de facto legal. How can you enforce that kind of law?

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

wrt CA as an avowed pessimist the fact that they gathered the signatures still feels like found money, bottom line is i think the radius of 'public consciousness raising' for legalization hasn't extended nearly as far as the medical angle, which tbh still relies on compassion for the very very sick to get over (medical cannabis is not going away but it's still plenty begrudged among the majority of counties and municipalities). i mean i hope that's an antiguated view of how politics move in 2010 but yeah, prop 8. think we can just wipe away the culture of prohibition w/o at least will n' gracing it for a minute, it just can't be that easy, right?

edd|e house is not a homie (tremendoid), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah, i guess i would liken it blue laws around here. like, you would probably never ever be able to just pop by dispensary/ package store in the state of Tennessee and buy a nice bottle of wine and some white widow for your dinner party. but if you were pulled over and had an oz cops would just be like eh, whatever - as long as you aren't smokin & drivin (someone will obviously need to build some kind of breath-alizer for weed if it's ever to be legalized i'm guessing)

used to bull's-eye Zach Wamps in my T-16 back home (will), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp except bringing personal use edibles or vape pen is not "trafficking drugs"

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 19:26 (two months ago) Permalink

Man at Reagan airport, I got questioned for 30 minutes, had to strip down most of my clothing because one dude was certain I had weed on me, I have never even used weed in my life, I wouldn't risk it at all.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 19:26 (two months ago) Permalink

Im by no means saying it's a free pass but i travel a fair amount and pretty much always carry. the first few times i was definitly sketched but i for reals don't even think much about it anymore. obv vape and edibles is easier then flowers

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 19:30 (two months ago) Permalink

smoke weed everyday

stoker (Ross), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 19:39 (two months ago) Permalink

otm

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 19:44 (two months ago) Permalink

gonna smoke for brad right now iirc

stoker (Ross), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 19:45 (two months ago) Permalink

pls do, i'm at work where you're still not allowed to smoke weed (in this economy???)

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 19:47 (two months ago) Permalink

smoked it for you my main man

stoker (Ross), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 20:50 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
two weeks pass...

Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance, Jr., today released the D.A.’s Office’s new policy to decline to prosecute marijuana possession and smoking cases, effective tomorrow, August 1. The policy, which is included below, is expected to reduce Manhattan marijuana prosecutions from approximately 5,000 per year to fewer than 200 per year, a 96% reduction.

“Every day I ask our prosecutors to keep Manhattan safe and make our justice system more equal and fair,” said District Attorney Vance. “The needless criminalization of pot smoking frustrates this core mission, so we are removing ourselves from the equation. Our research has found virtually no public safety rationale for the ongoing arrest and prosecution of marijuana smoking, and no moral justification for the intolerable racial disparities that underlie enforcement. Tomorrow, our Office will exit a system wherein smoking a joint can ruin your job, your college application, or your immigration status, but our advocacy will continue. I urge New York lawmakers to legalize and regulate marijuana once and for all.”

The D.A.’s new “decline to prosecute” policy was distributed last week to Manhattan Assistant D.A.s, as well as to the New York City Police Department, Office of Court Administration, and public defense organizations.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:41 (one month ago) Permalink

sweet

calstars, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 19:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Many officers in NYPD will be sad now that they have one less excuse to racially profile. Of course, when they can legally kill an unarmed black man for 'suspicion of selling loose cigarettes on the street', this should not present any insuperable problems.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:09 (one month ago) Permalink

It was interesting to see how all this stuff is being handled on the west coast. I can only assume it will wind down like marriage equality, with the rest of the states following the lead of NYC and just totally ending most enforcement and the lagging federal government eventually more or less forced (or who knows, committed) to following suit. When even Oklahoma is heading in this direction ...

Bike tour guy in San Francisco predicted the hills around Mendocino will soon be to pot what Sonoma/Napa is to grapes.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 12:20 (one month ago) Permalink

too bad the hills around Mendocino are all on fire atm and not the good kind of blazing

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 13:29 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm supposed to be going to a wedding in Idyllwild this weekend, forest fire map thing is not looking too encouraging

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 17:36 (one month ago) Permalink

sorry that would more be for a forest fire thread than this one ;_;

more on topic: angelenos, what's the process for legal pot purchasing? just walk into a dispensary and have id or something?

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 17:37 (one month ago) Permalink

not an angeleno, but yeah it should be that easy.

wmlynch, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 17:51 (one month ago) Permalink

that's how it works in Oregon

sleeve, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 17:59 (one month ago) Permalink

also, cash only

sleeve, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 17:59 (one month ago) Permalink

sounds good!

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 18:01 (one month ago) Permalink

I think it also depends on what city you're in, most cities are not allowed that kind of access yet. West Hollywood does, Oakland, I think.

http://www.thecannifornian.com/cannabis-news/california-news/legally-buy-recreational-marijuana-california-starting-jan-1/

nickn, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:26 (one month ago) Permalink

I bought a couple of edible things last week out west, mostly for the sake of curiosity (I've never smoked so much as a cigarette before). In Ashland, Oregon, we had to be buzzed in (har) to this modest place, barely more than a couple of counters, and the average dude behind the register checked my wife's ID, showed her what they had in stock (there were dried plants, pipes n stuff, lotions, tinctures, edibles, et al.), then she paid in cash. I can't remember if credit was an option, but they did put a few flyers in the bag re: safety and keeping kids away, etc. In San Francisco, totally different experience. There was this insanely high-end (har again) place down the street (hxxps://apothecarium.com), so I went there, showed my IL ID, they took a picture of it, had me fill out some info, then had me wait in a really nice lounge until they called my name. They were extremely nice and professional, answered my questions, offered suggestions, gave me a first time customer discount, then let me pay with credit. I looked into it a bit more, and apparently there are some strictly medical places in CA that do require a prescription or card, but in SF I needed nothing but an ID. And an out of state ID, for that matter. Anecdotally, I saw more dispensaries in Portland but less open use. In San Francisco it was the converse.

FWIW, I packed the couple of things I bought in my carry on bag and took them home. TSA doesn't care about that stuff, and even if anything somehow got on their radar I believe the policy is to refer (har?) it to the local police. But of course local police increasingly really doesn't care short of someone packing a huge duffel with drugs.

Here in Illinois, things are a lot stricter. Pot is legal for medical use, but the official medical uses are pretty serious issues (cancer, IBS, PTSD) that require lots of hoops - doctors, fees, cards, etc., totaling probably a good hunk of time and I think a few hundred dollars in fees. Even so, my pal got his card from some quack, and while he still had to jump through hoops and did get it for a medical condition, that medical condition (insomnia, essentially) is not on the approved list. Still, he said it was pretty easy. The local place he buys whatever from, though, involved several waiting rooms and doors and codes and security and paying with cash.

DC seems to have it weirdest. They voted overwhelmingly to legalize for recreational use, then the federal gov intervened. So apparently there is this whole grey area system of buying some trinket from a dealer/dispensary/shop and then they throw in the pot as a "gift."

It's all fascinatingly ad hoc.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:19 (one month ago) Permalink

navigating the DC craigslist for people giving out "gifts" was crazy but it worked out ok for me when i was there.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:26 (one month ago) Permalink

DC has actual stores now

Heez, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:40 (one month ago) Permalink

But are they cash for goods or is this gifting thing still going on?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:44 (one month ago) Permalink

So apparently there is this whole grey area system of buying some trinket from a dealer/dispensary/shop and then they throw in the pot as a "gift.”


just like how buying mix cds from the guy on 3rd avenue meant paying for the jewel case and artwork!

maura, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:49 (one month ago) Permalink

(there’s also a delivery service in dc and boston called high speed where the “goods” being sold are juices)

maura, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:49 (one month ago) Permalink

But are they cash for goods or is this gifting thing still going on?


You basically order your weed, pay for it and then get a sticker or a pen which it what you’re actually buying.

Heez, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 21:03 (one month ago) Permalink

So still gifting.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 21:06 (one month ago) Permalink

_ FWIW, I packed the couple of things I bought in my carry on bag and took them home. TSA doesn't care about that stuff, and even if anything somehow got on their radar I believe the policy is to refer (har?) it to the local police. But of course local police increasingly really doesn't care short of someone packing a huge duffel with drugs._

still incredulous about this part. Did you have actual stinky weed, or just edibles that could pass as snacks? Is this hearsay or did they actually see the stuff , identify it, and shrug?

calstars, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 22:26 (one month ago) Permalink

Edibles. No big clumps of stinky weed. But if you put your carry-on through the x-ray they rarely inspect it, and unless you leave, like, a bottle of liquids in there, they really have no reason to open your bag, ever. Drugs are not TSA's mandate, especially small quantities. They are looking for bombs and weapons and other hazardous stuff. From their site:

"Possession of marijuana and cannabis infused products, such as Cannabidiol (CBD) oil, is illegal under federal law. TSA officers are required to report any suspected violations of law, including possession of marijuana and cannabis infused products. TSA’s screening procedures are focused on security and are designed to detect potential threats to aviation and passengers. Accordingly, TSA security officers do not search for marijuana or other illegal drugs, but in the event a substance that appears to be marijuana or a cannabis infused product is observed during security screening, TSA will refer the matter to a law enforcement officer.."

So they are not looking for it, but if for some reason they found it - and again, why would they, unless something else in your bag flagged you - sure, in theory you could get in trouble, the same way the feds could theoretically shut down any shop (because it's illegal on a national level). But the last part is key: "TSA will refer the matter to a law enforcement officer." Which means local police. And increasingly local police don't give a shit about personal use amounts.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 22:50 (one month ago) Permalink

I did see it recommended in multiple places not to pack it in checked baggage, though, if you're worried, because those bags do get searched/sniffed more often than when you're just zipping through security.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 22:51 (one month ago) Permalink

still incredulous about this part. Did you have actual stinky weed, or just edibles that could pass as snacks? Is this hearsay or did they actually see the stuff , identify it, and shrug?

edibles are usually individually wrapped, so there's nothing to smell even if they don't just smell like gummies or mints or cookies or w/e

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 23:28 (one month ago) Permalink

would never take the risk of trying to get anything illegal through security

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 2 August 2018 00:02 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't think I would make a habit of it. But certainly encourages you to let your guard down after you've spent a week where open use and stores are a thing, even in the middle of nowhere, and when even the TSA website comes as close as they are legally able to saying NBD.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 00:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Good article here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2018/02/07/can-you-fly-marijuana-within-legalized-states/312169002/

Basic takeaway, marijuana (medical or otherwise) is *always* illegal/not allowed in airports, even in states where it is fully legal, but there is barely any enforcement if it is found. (Apparently the TSA originally ok'd possession for air travel before immediately backing up and away to its current ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ position.) The worst that will generally happen is they would contact the local police, and it sounds like the worst the local police will do is either tell you to bring it back to the car, give it to a friend, throw it away, etc. In the article it says Denver in 2015 busted something like 26 people, and none of them were even ticketed. By 2016, they didn't bother even keeping records. This, of course, is in states where it is legal, but I think the presumption is that is where you'd be bringing it from, anyway. Definitely don't see why you would ever be stopped when you get to where you're going. YMMV, of course.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 11:52 (one month ago) Permalink

I would not be to concerned with personal use quantities. Idk I bring stuff with me all the time

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 2 August 2018 11:56 (one month ago) Permalink

throwing a vape pen in your toiletry bag is something that is nbd ime

marcos, Thursday, 2 August 2018 13:28 (one month ago) Permalink

flying w/ plant material would scare me a little though

if it can be mistaken for a legal product - an e-cigarette, a cookie, gummy bears, i don't think there is much risk if you have a tiny, personal amount

marcos, Thursday, 2 August 2018 13:29 (one month ago) Permalink

Also depends on where you're flying back to. If I'm headed into DFW or Love Field, I wouldn't bring back anything that isn't an unmarked edible.

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:38 (one month ago) Permalink

all the articles on cannabis dosages are lol worthy to me lately

one problem with legalization is it opens it up to people who have never tried pot and will try it and are clueless how to consume it

i dont need a fucking scientist to tell me an edible will mangle my shit

eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:40 (one month ago) Permalink

The TSA can’t even find the things it is looking for.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa-misses-70-of-fake-weapons-but-thats-an-improvement/

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:47 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't know, I disagree. For example, the edibles we bought were very clear that the doses could take 1-2 hours to kick in, and once they did their effects could last a few hours (which is longer than smoking, afaik). So they have pretty gentle warnings on them not to take more if you don't think they're doing much, since "dosage" could be different for everyone, and instead wait a little. One person might get what they want from a 5mg dosed square of chocolate, another might need the whole bar. This is really important for the people taking it for health reasons. Trial and error, gradually up dose until you know what works and how it works.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:47 (one month ago) Permalink

xpost

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:48 (one month ago) Permalink

The way edibles are made now, with THC isolate and production standards makes the dosing very valuable IMO - you can know the smaller amount to take to feel something but not "mangle my shit."

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:52 (one month ago) Permalink

eh i worded myself poorly

i just worry that with the influx of norms using this stuff there will be some bad side-eye - ex. a woman recently chastised smoking joints while buying edibles in a dispensary, as a new user. nobody is gonna make me feel bad for smoking

eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 22:17 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I found myself in a weird situation this past weekend, hobnobbing with venture capitalists and start-up CEOs and bullshit like that. One guy was telling me about his business plan, which was vague bs but I played along. It involved monetizing aspects of pro video gamers and also music festivals. Well, I said, half-joking, if you're partnering up with video game players and concert goers, then clearly your next step is cannabis. His eyes go wide and he looks at me like I am some sort of genius rather than a layman stating the obvious. He turns to a partner of his and says something like "Stephanie!!! Ask Josh what the third platform of our plan is after video games and concerts!!!!" She turns to me: "What's the third platform?" "Drugs?" I say again. And she loses it as well. Buncha geniuses, reinventing the wheel.

Related, he told me his investment strategy in this nascent industry is putting money into European companies, figuring they'll swoop in when it's easier. Similar to someone else I know investing in sort of brick and mortar shops, figuring (probably correctly) that once all is legal and on the up and up someone like AmBev will just buy shit up and they can cash out. Then again, I also know of folks already making so much money they're literally burying cash in their backyard. I personally think if/once Michigan goes largely legal this November that's pretty much the tipping point for legalization. This was interesting, at least as an armchair observer:

https://www.bridgemi.com/quality-life/whats-legal-and-what-isnt-under-michigan-recreational-marijuana-plan-slideshow

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 September 2018 14:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lol

dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah I think MI is going to be a big deal. We've got like 10 million people and are within a half a day's drive from Indianapolis, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Toledo, Chicago, Columbus, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, etc which is another couple of million. And to my knowledge none of those places have anything like Michigan's existing medical system with hundreds of stores and relatively easy to get cards so weed tourism seems like it would be novel.

Some private investors bought 130 acres recently near two major highways with plans for a huge grow / processing / testing facility ostensibly for the medical market but I imagine they doubt that will be a limitation for very long.

joygoat, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

states' rights! states' rights!!

https://www.civilized.life/articles/congress-removes-medical-marijuana-veterans-protections/

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 12:02 (one week ago) Permalink


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