AMC made Weiner scale down the cast once (two seasons ago) and then wanted him to do it again before this season during all the contract talks. He said no, and won.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
well that doesn't really bode well for the idea of expanding the cast then does it
― goole, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
They don't have to expand the cast, they just have to show Peggy and the other guy up against Don every so often.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
I hope we get to see Mother Francis again this season, particularly with Sally.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
Don't think Peggy's going away from the show anytime soon - iirc both Jon Hamm and Matthew Weiner have said things recently along the lines of, that there's a reason that the show starts on her very first day of work.
I don't know if that's just misdirection, but in those instances they seem to acknowledge that Peggy is the closest to an audience proxy, so I just don't think they're going to let go of her that quickly.
― Roz, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
Also, while Don may treat Peggy like crap in the office, she's also his new Anna - she'll prob be the first person he turns to if things go seriously wrong with Megan.
― Roz, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
someone on twitter posted an interview with christina hendricks, and she said matt weiner had this joan plotline in mind since a season or two ago. maybe that's meant to be comforting, in a "he has a plan, don't worry, this is going somewhere" way, but i still find it difficult to accept that roger wouldn't talk to joan about it beforehand, and that joan would reject roger's money but go through with this.
― producer / dj / humanitarian (reddening), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
I think the way Roger has treated Jane this season has made it clear that his money comes with a lot of strings attached. Joan is never going to have to deal with Jaguar guy again -- it makes sense to me.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
Also, while Don may treat Peggy like crap in the office, she's also his new Anna
^^^ This. I mean, Don was on top of his game before he went into that room with Peggy and he looked genuinely crushed at the end of it. Especially when he realised here she was going.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
Don was on top of his game before he went into that room with Peggy
haha waht he was totally pissed about the Joan/Jaguar thing and had ditched the party!
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
i am a bit surprised that post-acid, "life-altering experience" roger would so blithely let this pass. though blithe is admittedly what roger does best...
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
Remember, Pete phrased this all to them as if Joan had already agreed but that they couldn't afford her. Joan was trying to tell Pete she had no price (until Pete went back to HER as if they'd all voted that she had to do it - did not say 'you can say no' as Bert wanted clear.)
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
So from the perspective, Roger thought Joan was up for sleeping with this guy and then just said the "leave me out of it" or whatever.
still, if i were a friend of joan's, i'd want a word with here, regardless of how some weaselly little nerd described the situation to me. roger hardly seems to be pete's biggest fan, after all.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
here = her
one of the problems with standard soap opera plotting is that it so often requires that everyone unquestioningly accept things said by the least credible people. mad men is usually smarter about avoiding that device.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
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That scene was a really, really tough scene to film. They didn’t tell me they were going to do this but Phil told Jon to hold on to my hand and not let it go. And then he did and I really sort of lost it… and I will say that every single one of those tears was actually absolutely real.— Elisabeth Moss, Inside Episode 511
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
it does seem sort of weird that Roger would take Pete's word for it and not discuss it with Joan. otoh maybe he did and we just didn't see it.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
scientologists don't cry real tears fyi
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
xp and of course we've all read Mad Style by now & know that JOan wore the fur Roger gave her (when he met Don!) as a giant 'Fuck you!' to Roger -not- going to talk to her about the deal.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
we have another two whole episodes to see how bitter and miserable roger is
― goole, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
haha wow I missed that about the fur. of course
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
I had no idea. But of course she did, because Joan fucking RULES
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
i love vincent kartheiser saying "jag-wire" like a minnesotan
and jared harris' non-posh accent
― goole, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
“When I wear it, I’ll always remember the night I got it.”
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
Can we get a gif of Joan flatly snubbing Pete's handshake attempt to contrast with that Peggy/Don one?
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
would like to throw some love to Joan's mom this season, she is a laff riot. "we all wish he was dead" indeed
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
she is the perfect archetype of mom living in yr apartment
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
the whole thing about her and the repairman is lol
"we're just friends"
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
i still find it difficult to accept that roger wouldn't talk to joan about it beforehand...
We know that Lane and Roger already objectify Joan, as affectionate as they may be toward her. We can assume that Bert doesn't care enough about Joan to say no. The darkest part is, knowing Pete, that he'd in his own way enjoy prostituting the female staff, and especially a woman more respected than himself.
...and that joan would reject roger's money but go through with this
It's different. This situation has Pete manipulating Joan into thinking that 'whore' is in her job description, and that all the partners think so. (And they do, except Don.) Even though they say "she has a choice" and "she can still say no", the fact that any of the partners would even consider the idea, in the first place, it has effectively redefined her occupation.
The fact that Roger and Joan were in a relationship-- that is, boss with secretary-- only re-enforces the fact, despite his affection for her, he still thinks of her as an object.
― poxen, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
Why does Don hate Ginsburg so much? Any reasons besides professional jealousy?
― poxen, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
he has no manners
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.avclub.com/articles/jaguar-is-cool-with-looking-like-total-scumbags-on,75814/
― Hare Kinsey (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
during the close up of peggy where don was holding her hand, i remember wondering why it was going on for so long. like, "what is he doing down there...?"
this is obvious, but since i don't think anyone's mentioned it... i keep thinking back to the first episode of the season where joan was practically falling apart at the idea that she'd been replaced at scdp and could be so dispensable. and after all that, what finally institutionalizes her is her body and her looks.
― phantompenguin, Thursday, 31 May 2012 02:36 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like Rogers's whole internal reality throughout this episode remains unseen. Like, he was holding it all in, or we'll get more information later.
― Leon Septamost, Thursday, 31 May 2012 05:36 (eleven years ago) link
Roger doesn't really give a shit. Lane was appalled but using it to cover his own back. Bert at least said "tell her she can still say no". Pete obviously the worst of all of them. Don was the only one who actually emerged with any credit at all.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Thursday, 31 May 2012 11:53 (eleven years ago) link
I initially thought that Don just washed his hand and didn't do enough to stop it by just leaving the meeting, but I guess the point was made by Pete that he's not the end-all, be-all at the company and he sometimes doesn't grasp that he's not in control of everything that happens.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 31 May 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
well there we go
― Grimy Little Pimp (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 4 June 2012 03:07 (eleven years ago) link
fucked up!
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Monday, 4 June 2012 03:14 (eleven years ago) link
lane's final note was exceedingly sloan wilson.
― s.clover, Monday, 4 June 2012 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
jaguar ignition gag was awesome.
last ep is called 'the phantom' fyi
― johnny crunch, Monday, 4 June 2012 03:20 (eleven years ago) link
Thought that too.
Also, Creepy Glen is the best.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 4 June 2012 03:36 (eleven years ago) link
he wasn't terribly creepy tho just kinda meh imo!
― Grimy Little Pimp (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 4 June 2012 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
nice to see a nice moment btwn Betty and Sally there
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 4 June 2012 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
Creepy or not, I like him getting screentime.
Don's kind of in a pickle now. He's trying to do one of those "Don regroups and recharges the business and his own sense of purpose" things, but all this shit is getting his way. I wonder if he'll fail at it this time.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 4 June 2012 03:57 (eleven years ago) link
Great episode from the Jaquemattons. They wrote the Lucky Strike letter episode last season, they have their own private part of the plot now.
Also the ironic failure of a suicide attempt was classic. Hanging in the office was well played. Just devastating and unvarnished for everyone.
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Monday, 4 June 2012 04:52 (eleven years ago) link
the actual sight of the body hanging there was hands-over-my-eyes shocking to me. we've been talking all season about someone killing themselves and the whole episode was so clearly leading up to it, but even with all that to potentially soften the blow it was horrible.
― the bibles fake lol don't trust a book (reddening), Monday, 4 June 2012 05:44 (eleven years ago) link
yeah ^^ that
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Monday, 4 June 2012 06:06 (eleven years ago) link
good insight from sepinwall:
(*) On the plus side for poor Rebecca Pryce and her son: didn't Pete learn that the company insurance policy indemnifies for suicide after three years? SCDP's been in existence for more than three years now, after all.
― modest mouskouri (get bent), Monday, 4 June 2012 06:15 (eleven years ago) link