indefensible: john gruber

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I’m biased, insofar as I consider Apple’s strategy more appealing than Google’s. But that’s because my interest lies in having the best possible user experience — the best-looking UIs, the lowest-latency responses, the smoothest animation, the most elegant designs. I share that interest with Apple. Google’s interest is in reaching the largest possible audience. That’s why I chose, at the outset of this paragraph, to say that I find Apple’s strategy “more appealing than”, rather than, say, “superior to”, Google’s. Apple’s strategy is correct for optimizing the quality of the user experience. Google’s strategy is correct for maximizing the number of users for its apps.
http://daringfireball.net/2011/06/its_all_software

James Mitchell, Thursday, 16 June 2011 07:39 (nine years ago) link

haha liking this thread no matter how redundant it is - keep em coming

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 16 June 2011 07:49 (nine years ago) link

Will be interesting to see how this pans out. Not sure what it means if it’s true that their initial target is Mobile Safari specifically, not mobile WebKit in general. My guess is that it’s simply a result of Mobile Safari being so far ahead of the Android WebKit engine.
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/16/project-spartan

James Mitchell, Thursday, 16 June 2011 19:25 (nine years ago) link

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/17/apple-buy-phone-industry

yes, but it would be illegal under US, UK and EU law, so what's your point?

caek, Friday, 17 June 2011 18:09 (nine years ago) link

Has he always been so mean-spirited? I don't remember him being so spiteful just a few years ago.

lukas, Friday, 17 June 2011 21:51 (nine years ago) link

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2011/06/17/come-on-gruber-youre-better-than-this

url a bit generous but otherwise, oh snap

caek, Friday, 17 June 2011 22:58 (nine years ago) link

Gruber seems to be right about things a lot of the time, though that's easy when the people he disagrees with are prone to willfully ignoring the fact that Apple is making hundreds of millions of dollars doing what it's doing and is preposterously unlikely to make any sudden changes in strategy. Also less of a raging, belligerent asshole than you might expect.

T.S. Eliot-themed roach fetish porn (silby), Sunday, 19 June 2011 03:49 (nine years ago) link

Also wrt the "buy whole cell phone industry" post that is sort of following up on an earlier link about how Apple could easily have enough cash in a few years to take itself private. That is, in an industry where firms are frequently assessed by their market cap or their VC funding or what have you, Apple actually has HUMONGOUS FAT STACKS OF CASH.

T.S. Eliot-themed roach fetish porn (silby), Sunday, 19 June 2011 03:52 (nine years ago) link

agreed that this guy is a bit of a dick, he has unsavory triumphalist tendencies, and thinks various middlebrow stuff is the height of human achievement - however as to his core competency, i do believe hes one of the best writers on design out there today

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 03:58 (nine years ago) link

Chock full of SEO crap: My comment on Marco Arment's comment on John Gruber's comment on David Pogue's comment on Google's Chromebook.

James Mitchell, Sunday, 19 June 2011 08:29 (nine years ago) link

Has anyone read the marco aren't Phish post?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 19 June 2011 09:34 (nine years ago) link

Damn autocorrect: Arment

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 19 June 2011 09:35 (nine years ago) link

however as to his core competency, i do believe hes one of the best writers on design out there today

he doesn't really do this any more though?

caek, Sunday, 19 June 2011 10:18 (nine years ago) link

Got sick of his blog a while ago - but I have to admit his comment on the Chromebook is kinda on point, why does it deserve a "good try!" sentiment?

Nhex, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:30 (nine years ago) link

Gruber's predictions that don't come true are still reasonable and make sense when you evaluate the facts available at the time. He can't rely on his mysterious inside sources all the time, you see.

You don't have to believe me, just ask Gruber. He's always Gruber. I mean, right.

mh, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:52 (nine years ago) link

he doesn't really do this any more though?

― caek, Sunday, June 19, 2011 6:18 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah its not most of his posts, but when he does write a long piece i feel like he really gets where design is at re todays technologies

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:55 (nine years ago) link

also hes a v good clear writer

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:56 (nine years ago) link

chrisdejabet Chris De Jabet by daringfireball
Just got complimented on my @daringfireball shirt at the Apple Store. Because I'm handsome.
18 hours ago

*stabs twitter in the face*

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 15:42 (nine years ago) link

thought it was really out of line when this guy shot mr takagi

little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 19 June 2011 15:50 (nine years ago) link

i really like gruber

which mac writers do you guys really like? i could use some more feeds in my google reader

markers, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 18:46 (nine years ago) link

Jean-Louis Gassee

lukas, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 18:54 (nine years ago) link

totally forgot abt him, thanking u

markers, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 19:21 (nine years ago) link

feel like this post embodies many of his less good qualities

http://grab.by/cBWF

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:02 (nine years ago) link

how long till some shill links him this thread and ilx gets ~fireballed~

 summer is coming  (cozen), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:04 (nine years ago) link

one can dream

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:05 (nine years ago) link

You are trying to view American McCarver on a shitty browser. Won't work.
http://americanmccarver.com/

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 12:37 (nine years ago) link

Note that the UI screenshots are even set in Helvetica, not Arial. Some of the best evidence of good taste at Google I can ever recall.

duly noted.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/28/google-plus-videos

joe, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 20:51 (nine years ago) link

guh arial and helvetica are like exactly the same shit stfu already

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 20:54 (nine years ago) link

A friend shared this blog post on Google Reader: http://stu.mp/2011/06/dear-yahoo-hire-me-as-your-next-ceo.html

I’d buy the NYT (for a mere $1.5bn!) and recruit John Gruber to be Editor in Chief of the “Yahoo! News” division.

I cried a little.

mh, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:04 (nine years ago) link

Oh god, until I read that blog post in full I thought that was a joke, like forcing him to cover stories about Microsoft.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 20:40 (nine years ago) link

Cringely's been half-nuts for years. Now I think he's full-nuts.
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/29/joke

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:24 (nine years ago) link

well, he's got a point

caek, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:26 (nine years ago) link

I guess it's not as bad as how he keeps referring to Paul Thurrott as a 'dick' purely because he writes about Microsoft.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:36 (nine years ago) link

cringelys nutsness is the best part of his shtick, guy is not afraid to think big

ice cr?m, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:37 (nine years ago) link

I don't think Cringely's being nuts there! Even if Jobs is showing pictures of full server rooms, it's not like he's shown pictures of the entire interior of the facility, and it's completely possible that it's not that densely populated.

mh, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:38 (nine years ago) link

yeah but thats not some weird conspiracy designed to intimidate rivals, its just building out future capacity

ice cr?m, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:43 (nine years ago) link

p sure this dood killed caylee http://horace.dediu.usesthis.com

ice cr?m, Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:51 (eight years ago) link

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/11/cameron

asshole

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/07/08/murdoch

"congratulations to the tories"

joe, Friday, 8 July 2011 20:18 (eight years ago) link

wish someone would put this asshole in a room w/paul thurrott and then they can mutually annihilate each other

Once Were Moderators (DG), Friday, 8 July 2011 20:22 (eight years ago) link

You are trying to view American McCarver on a shitty browser. Won't work.

maybe i've just been developing for legacy browsers too long at this point, but this kills me. laziest shit ever - you run a SPORTS BLOG ffs

unique housing opportunity (swanbed.gif) (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 8 July 2011 20:29 (eight years ago) link

actually i think i hate sub-gruber wannabe sycophant ux doods even worse than gruber proper - so much hot air about making software "empathetic," so much whining about not getting paid to be a thought leader, so much referring to "marco" by the mononym...

unique housing opportunity (swanbed.gif) (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 8 July 2011 20:33 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/e7obs.png

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:39 (eight years ago) link

Read a blog post about grids. Saw a movie about Helvetica. Short. Terse. Sentences.

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:41 (eight years ago) link

TS: john gruber vs lieutenant gruber from 'allo 'allo

Once Were Moderators (DG), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:42 (eight years ago) link

Note that the UI screenshots are even set in Helvetica, not Arial. Some of the best evidence of good taste at Google I can ever recall.

RAGE!

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:47 (eight years ago) link

oops already posted X:

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:47 (eight years ago) link

it cannot be mocked too often. the star was a nice touch.

joe, Friday, 8 July 2011 22:49 (eight years ago) link

I listened to some of his most recent podcasts during the week and was astounded by his and Dan Benjamin's claim that it gets 800,000 downloads an episode.

Err, what? Maybe it was some kind of belated rip on The Daily's iPad app but I think they were being serious. There's no way it's true, though.

James Mitchell, Saturday, 9 July 2011 08:36 (eight years ago) link

i think it's more like 400,000, but i could be wrong

800,000 was either the WWDC or post-WWDC download count iirc, but again, i could be wrong

markers, Saturday, 9 July 2011 08:39 (eight years ago) link

It's like his amazing high trafficked and revolutionary new sports website, which is actually a fucking tumble blog about baseball where you click on the notes to find less than half a dozen people 'liked' each post and fuck-all anybody reblogged anything, because why the fuck would you.

I'd rather read David Beckham's views on fonts an touch interfaces.

James Mitchell, Saturday, 9 July 2011 08:41 (eight years ago) link

someone let the thread know when gruber's posted a new take on the luggage lady ceo situation

no impulse to read it myself, just want to ponder the possibility of a man touching a hot stove then repeatedly doing back to touch the burner

babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 21:27 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

goddamnit claim fucking chowder god in heaven just kill me

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Monday, 2 March 2020 22:45 (four months ago) link

In broad strokes, you can probably file me as a Jonathan Chait Democrat. I agree with Chait far more often than not, and when I disagree with him, I almost always think, “Well, he does make some good points.”

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 2 March 2020 22:58 (four months ago) link

oh boy

mh, Monday, 2 March 2020 22:59 (four months ago) link

perfect

lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 02:09 (four months ago) link

Being an Apple blogger in 2020 seems like a hard gig.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 02:14 (four months ago) link

You've got to be one of those psychos on Youtube who orders a $40k Mac Pro to showcase how good it is at editing videos about reviewing $40k Mac Pros.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 02:14 (four months ago) link

finally their prosumer niche has to actually be pro and a sumer

mh, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 03:13 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

‘SINCERELY LOUIS C.K.’ ★

The funniest stand-up special I’ve seen in years. Religion, sexual misconduct — you know, good clean family fun. And, yes, he talks about the whole you-know-what.

sean gramophone, Saturday, 18 April 2020 13:21 (two months ago) link

best part? That "and, yes" bit was an edit, maybe added after publishing? My RSS reader shows updates.

dan selzer, Saturday, 18 April 2020 13:39 (two months ago) link

“ $8 direct purchase gets you a no-DRM download and streaming (AirPlay supported).”

Important detail.

sofatruck, Saturday, 18 April 2020 13:49 (two months ago) link

the. whole. you-know-what.

stet, Saturday, 18 April 2020 14:12 (two months ago) link

*waggles eyebrows* jerking off in front of his coworkers

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 April 2020 14:35 (two months ago) link

jesus christ

mh, Saturday, 18 April 2020 15:28 (two months ago) link

Came here hoping the grubes thread would have an update. Was not disappointed.

Millsner, Saturday, 18 April 2020 15:32 (two months ago) link

found a new new gruber-like guy to read. has elaborate stories about his ipad docking setup. casually mentions his $2k sony headphones

mh, Saturday, 18 April 2020 15:40 (two months ago) link

twitter.com/on3ness?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 18 April 2020 18:57 (two months ago) link

indefensible

megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Saturday, 18 April 2020 19:21 (two months ago) link

Huh he’s deleted it

stet, Saturday, 18 April 2020 19:25 (two months ago) link

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/04/17/sincerely-louis-ck- he added an “update”

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 18 April 2020 23:02 (two months ago) link

twitter.com/on3ness?

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, April 18, 2020 2:57 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

wow ok

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 April 2020 23:11 (two months ago) link

what did the update say? It's still 404 here

stet, Saturday, 18 April 2020 23:28 (two months ago) link

here (trailing hyphen missed by the hyperlink regex)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 18 April 2020 23:42 (two months ago) link

Originally he posted it without acknowledging it at all, no you know what phrase.

dan selzer, Sunday, 19 April 2020 00:50 (two months ago) link

One sentence too long

silby, Sunday, 19 April 2020 00:51 (two months ago) link

Thread title otm

stet, Sunday, 19 April 2020 01:24 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Without question, in my mind, Banksy is the most important painter of our time.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 8 May 2020 02:12 (one month ago) link

lmfbo

silby, Friday, 8 May 2020 02:14 (one month ago) link

It’s funny bc there’s actually been zero important painters for something like four decades

silby, Friday, 8 May 2020 02:14 (one month ago) link

latest post indicates he's earning about $25k/month from his new 15-minute daily podcast

sean gramophone, Friday, 15 May 2020 13:47 (one month ago) link

im banky

megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Friday, 15 May 2020 13:50 (one month ago) link

banky!!!!! Hello

silby, Friday, 15 May 2020 16:47 (one month ago) link

Ok I checked the numbers they are basically correct.

latest post indicates he's earning about $25k/month from his new 15-minute daily podcast


It’s cohosted with Ben Thompson who earns $2-3m/year from his newsletter so I’m surprised it’s that little tbh and am not sure what Gruber can possibly bring to the table apart from a buggy Perl implementation of markdown

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 15 May 2020 23:32 (one month ago) link

(Sorry that first sentence is from a draft post on another thread lol zing)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 15 May 2020 23:34 (one month ago) link

xp a deep love of the work of Stanley Kubrick

mh, Friday, 15 May 2020 23:34 (one month ago) link

Opinions about fonts

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 15 May 2020 23:39 (one month ago) link

cocktail recipes

silby, Friday, 15 May 2020 23:42 (one month ago) link

looked at the podcast post and it's amazing how he managed to make a bulleted list of changes into a series of short essays

the podcast is likely no less concise, eh?

mh, Friday, 15 May 2020 23:46 (one month ago) link

He’s just fucking with us as this point

“Among his many memorable roles, a favorite of mine was Shelby Forthright, the CEO of Buy-N-Large in WALL-E.”

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 17 May 2020 01:44 (one month ago) link

A head-scratcher

silby, Sunday, 17 May 2020 02:10 (one month ago) link


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