rolling china thread 2011

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also huge LOLs

dayo, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 13:20 (ten years ago) link

dylannn, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 14:23 (ten years ago) link

"If you look at China, they don't have food stamps. They don't have the modern welfare state, and China's building enormous patterns in remote mountain plateaux. And so what I would do is look at the programs that LBJ gave us with the Great Society and they'd be gone," - Michele Bachmann

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BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 18:18 (ten years ago) link

I'm just gonna post the NYT take on the confucius peace prize because it's so lol

“Those wars were righteous wars,” Qiao Damo, the self-described co-founder and president of the Confucius Peace Prize committee, said in a telephone interview. “Mr. Putin fought for the unification of his country.”

“His iron hand and toughness revealed in this war impressed the Russians a lot, and he was regarded to be capable of bringing safety and stability to Russia,” read an English version of the committee’s statement. “He became the anti-terrorist No. 1 and the national hero.”

The award, co-sponsored this year by Moutai, a liquor company

dayo, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:55 (ten years ago) link

yeah hey dylannn i'm here. happy to help out or meet up or whatever. let me know. im not that cool but im pretty cool. if you're here before december 4th (i think) this is definitely worth checking out.

rent, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:55 (ten years ago) link

oh hey, okay dude!! thanks for the offer. aware of yang zhichao as performance artist but hadn't heard of the notebooks project. would like to check it out. has yang zhichao staged a selfimmolation yet?

actually, i will say this right now, if anyone is ever in northern china, feel free to stop by and visit :))))

dylannn, Thursday, 17 November 2011 15:31 (ten years ago) link

dylannn, Thursday, 17 November 2011 15:36 (ten years ago) link

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 12:02 (ten years ago) link

Fox Butterworth, the New York Times’ first post-Mao China correspondent, tells the story of a young woman who opened up to him (off the record) about the sex life of Deng Xiaoping’s China and wound up in a prison camp for embarrassing the country.

now I'm intrigued

my dad tried to explain to me that mao wasn't a sex-crazed peasant, that he was just 'curious'

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 12:08 (ten years ago) link

he lived up to the old kmt line about 共产共妻

actually, i know he had a few wives but never really heard much about mao's sex life.

dylannn, Friday, 18 November 2011 14:09 (ten years ago) link

heard mao had the pick of the litter of all the nubile young female peasants in the countryside, there have been books that go into this in more detail but you can never be sure how apocryphal the tales are or if they are really true

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:32 (ten years ago) link

What has lent Mr. Gingrich’s written and spoken work, or, as he calls it, his “teaching,” the casual semblance of being based on some plain-spoken substance, some rough-hewn horse sense, is that most of what he says has reached us in outline form, with topic points capitalized (the capitalization has been restrained in the more conventionally edited To Renew America) and systematically, if inappositely, numbered. There were “Seven key aspects” and “Nine vision-level principles” of “Personal Strength” (Pillar Two of American Civilization), there were “Five core principles” of “Quality as Defined by Deming” (Pillar Five), there were “Three Big Concepts” of “Entrepreneurial Free Enterprise” (Pillar Three). There were also, still under Pillar Three, “Five Enemies of Entrepreneurial Free Enterprise” (“Bureaucracy,” “Credentialing,” “Taxation,” “Litigation,” and “Regulation”), which would have been identical to Pillar Four’s “Seven welfare state cripplers of progress” had the latter not folded in “Centralization,” “Anti-progress Cultural Attitude,” and “Ignorance.”

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:59 (ten years ago) link

In Window of Opportunity, Mr. Gingrich advised us that “the great force changing our world is a synergism of essentially six parts,” and offered “five simple steps to a bold future.” On the health-care question, Mr. Gingrich posited “eight areas of necessary change.” On the issue of arms control, he saw “seven imperatives that will help the free world survive in the age of nuclear weapons.” Down a few paragraphs the seven imperatives gave way to “two initiatives,” then to “three broad strategic options for the next generation,” and finally, within the scan of the eye, to “six realistic goals which would increase our children’s chances of living in a world without nuclear war.”

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:02 (ten years ago) link

haha when I was reading that I was thinking the exact same thing

max, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:03 (ten years ago) link

newt gingrich really is a remarkable man

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:06 (ten years ago) link

i did always love how clearly mao outlined stuff

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:25 (ten years ago) link

newt gingrich's 'ten taxonomic precepts of sedition' will be required reading for ccp plants worldwide in 2k12

The Triumph of the Will High (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:34 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

dylannn, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 14:56 (ten years ago) link

we will start the 2012 thread on chinese new year's. the ayes have it.

tracy mcgr8080 (dayo), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 21:58 (ten years ago) link

very surprised at hu's blatant declaration that the US and china are in a culture war

tracy mcgr8080 (dayo), Thursday, 5 January 2012 14:25 (ten years ago) link

wonder when china pop culture will 'get it.' like, for example, look at their cartoons - they just don't understand anthropomorphism. their shit looks so creepy. like beady-eyes, no expressions, dudes, japanese & american cartoons have big beady eyes for a reason

tracy mcgr8080 (dayo), Thursday, 5 January 2012 14:28 (ten years ago) link

err *big expressive eyes

tracy mcgr8080 (dayo), Thursday, 5 January 2012 14:28 (ten years ago) link

id like to see a chinese equivalent of rush limabugh style mock-chinese, preferably on youtube

jhøshea nrq (nakhchivan), Thursday, 5 January 2012 14:45 (ten years ago) link

feel like china's efficiency in mocking wite ppl langauges will have big implications for the kulturkampf

jhøshea nrq (nakhchivan), Thursday, 5 January 2012 14:46 (ten years ago) link

interesting take on hu's remarks

reminded that so far the most strident efforts have been made against china's own culture-producers like 非诚勿扰

bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 6 January 2012 18:58 (ten years ago) link

it's always been embarrassing to have to rep for chinese literature because there isn't a lot of it that i feel right repping for and everything that appears in english translation is hindered by being shittily translated (99% of it by howard goldblatt).

so i dunno. to see chinese literature today devote an issue to him... with a fucking self-interview... and everything in the magazine is basically howard goldblatt school of translation stuff. really overliteral and all the chinese idioms are matched with english idioms (which would work if english writing involved a lot of pithy phrases and shit).


i was sort of stoked to see them finally drop a second issue because i was supposed to have an excerpt of northern girls by sheng keyi in it. but there was supposedly some "controversy" because it had dirty words in it (book revolves around a girl with huge breasts who fucks her way to shenzhen). but no.

dylannn, Saturday, 7 January 2012 07:49 (ten years ago) link

"Has he sold out his prison-mates? Why else would he get such good treatment? A large piece of pork every time."

In any case, pork was a welcome addition to their meal. Sometimes they even joked about it:
"There were bristles on the piece I got. Lots of them standing straight up, like that you-know-what down below. Ha ha ha."

"Is your you-know-what as skinny as a pig's bristle?" someone would ask in jest.

now, this type of shit is basically chinglish to me. why can't we have chinese-english translation where the final result is natural, modern english???

"you-know-what down below"
"in jest"

The heat brings out the gamy smell of the beef, but, with the amelioration of spices, only an aromatic meaty fragrance remains.

It is a heavy fragrance.

It has an authentic, delicious flavor.


it's actually a decentish essay but to me, it's almost unreadable if i have to read

For those under the sentence of death each Thursday night's three-inch piece of pork and cake of tofu could very well mean his "last, sumptuous supper." :(((( why is last sumptuous supper in quotation marks? likely because it represents a chinese phrase but DUDE JUST FUCKING TRANSLATE IT. WHY KEEP TALKING ABOUT A BOWL-SIZED ETC. IN CHINESE YOU SAY SOMETHING IS THE SIZE OF A BOWL OR AS THICK AS A BOWL BUT NO ONE DOES THAT IN ENGLISH

dylannn, Saturday, 7 January 2012 07:54 (ten years ago) link

but i really like li ang and the piece is interesting so i guess i just want to say it deserves a more natural, fluent translation and more people to read it.

dylannn, Saturday, 7 January 2012 07:56 (ten years ago) link

goldblatt had the one crack at doing jia pingwa in english and fucked it up.

theory: people that study chinese literature are so caught up in the idea that each character is crucial and must be understood and communicated that they miss the idea and the vibe and the soul of the original.

theory: howard goldblatt and lots of the other dudes that get the few chinese lit translation jobs are REALLY OLD. (recent exception cindy carter for dream of ding village and a few more that i can't think of off the top of my head).

but actually: i think howard goldblatt is good as a digging in the crates type of dude and found lots of good stuff that nobody bothered with, especially in taiwan. and i always liked his translation of notes of a desolate man by zhu tianwen.

dylannn, Saturday, 7 January 2012 08:08 (ten years ago) link

actually, i take back everything i said about him. that self-interview upset me. it's not his fault he's basically the only show in town.

dylannn, Saturday, 7 January 2012 08:10 (ten years ago) link

eh well those are mostly theoretical translation issues. there's the fear of turning into a modern day constance garnett, i.e. someone who translates works into stiff victorian prose.

bob loblaw people (dayo), Saturday, 7 January 2012 14:12 (ten years ago) link

man i get all fucked up on this hu jintao shit and i forgget that this is the actual countyr where i live and i just took X and made out with a beautiful korean girl in a club bathroom listening to david banner we need and she unhooked her bra for me and i had to ask her the first or second row when i did tback up . god it's snowing in dalian and it's so beautiful and peaceful and all the sttreetsweeper men are out sweeping snow instead of dust and i have my spring festival train tickets and i love it her despite cultural war or whatnot. lol.

dylannn, Saturday, 7 January 2012 22:22 (ten years ago) link

any misty poetry fans in this motherfucker?》》》》》

dylannn, Saturday, 7 January 2012 22:24 (ten years ago) link

dylannn, Saturday, 7 January 2012 22:41 (ten years ago) link

posting only because I have been to zengcheng!

bob loblaw people (dayo), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 11:51 (ten years ago) link

normally i'm super interested in serial killer stuff but I had to stop reading, probably because the police response was so weak

bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:41 (ten years ago) link

thanks to ilxor rent - a good summary of the differences between HK and China on the ground

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:59 (ten years ago) link

I think the idea of serial killers in China scares the shit out of me because there would be no police to protect you

dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 02:00 (ten years ago) link

I like the way shanghaiinese sounds!

I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Friday, 20 January 2012 12:37 (ten years ago) link

so uh

fucking A

he actually calls hongkongers 'running dogs'

I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Friday, 20 January 2012 12:46 (ten years ago) link

nine months pass...

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