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where is it and what does it look like

Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

Raymond Williams says somewhere that most people who live in it live in quite small towns, but there is next to no significant literature about same.

Of course he was writing before Midsomer Murders aired.

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/64476/dscf1947scrsfr.jpg

^^^wiltshire apparently (i'm not sure i know where wiltshire actually is) < /the lex >

mark s, Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't know how the demographics break down now but i wd say that a significant majority at least want to live in quite small towns. also i suspect quite small towns are increasingly really dissipated cities.

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

Anyone bothered with Paul Kingsnorth's book on this very subject?

Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

but y'knaa this whole problematic word "Real" - is this intended sarcastically, like is this thread about "what are the sort of people who use the phrase 'Real England' talking about?" or are we positing a defining core of Englishness that has history and still survives however tenuous?

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think it would be facetious to pretend the issue can be approached entirely unfacetiously

Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

i was not aware of paul kingsnorth but now i see he has written a book called real england colon something else, i would guess it isn't the only book/treatise/pamphlet with similar title

Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

work filter has thoughtfully blocked access to my first google search result, some blog with the delightfully making-me-want-to-stab-the-author subtitle "The Battle Against the Bland". i assure you guys if there is a Real England it is not battling against The Bland and that is an excellent virtue in itself.

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh right, that is the subtitle of Kingsnorth's book. okay then i will probably never read it since i infer from the book's post-colonage that the guy is a big douche.

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

the usual English attention to the wrong details

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

and some sadness for stuff passing that has not passed or was not what he claims it was before it passed

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

is john terry 'real england' dyou suppose

blind pele (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

i infer from the book's post-colonage that the guy is a big douche.

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:24 (1 minute ago)

h but f, nv, h but f

basically i was looking at the squad list for peterbrough town and noticed ryan tunnicliffe and lee frecklington and thought maybe those names were shibboleths that uttered in a certain way might usher you into the innermost real england

Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01185/arts-graphics-2008_1185572a.jpg

the city hobgoblin as a good place to start! (of course he said british not english, right, re the wrong detail)

mark s, Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

"... heir to an immense fortune, gifted by nature with a mind susceptible of noble cultivation, and a body endowed with admirable physical powers with the wretched drunkard who died in a gaol at the age of thirty-eight, a worn-out debauchee and drivelling sot... " <-- i am this very second ensconced in the village that surnamed this regency rake, tho he mainly lived on the other side of shrewsbury

mark s, Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

nigel farage isn't real btw, he speaks for only his own constituency, which is seldom more than symbolic

is there a real england that is incapable of any sort of assimilation into colonned literature? a planar england that resists signification or commodification by interlopers from other englands

Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

south dublin iirc

blind pele (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

leatherhead is a promotory over a large and brackish inland sea that is never spoken of

mark s, Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

beneath the leylines, the true underground

mark s, Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Winter, 1981: the headless, skinned bodies of two bears are found by the River Lea."

mark s, Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

real england is all mates and and blood sausage and big bottomed birds reading thew newsie-wewsies

max, Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

nah it's hedgerows and birds and complete lack of public services

blind pele (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 November 2011 14:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh it's all about the public services nowadays; a bus to take you into town so you can spend all night trawling the happy hour bars, a streetcleaner to mop up your vomit from the pavement, a policeman to give you a place to spend the night. No-one needed public services when an evening's entertainment consisted of watching the sun set over a russet autumnal hedgerow, lulled into a reverie by the carefree birdsong.

ceci n'est pas un nom d'affichage (ledge), Thursday, 3 November 2011 14:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://www.photohistory-sussex.co.uk/UckFrisbyPiltdown03.jpg

mark s, Thursday, 3 November 2011 14:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Searching for the Putdown Man"

ceci n'est pas un nom d'affichage (ledge), Thursday, 3 November 2011 14:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

is there a real england that is incapable of any sort of assimilation into colonned literature? a planar england that resists signification or commodification by interlopers from other englands

Interesting question which I wish I could answer.

Ned Trifle X, Thursday, 3 November 2011 14:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't know if I would like that England even.

Ned Trifle X, Thursday, 3 November 2011 14:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

is there a culture that can't be commodified? and i have to be v. v. careful not to paint my cultures, or the cultures i've drifted along the fringes of, as the only real England. the problem is that the word is usually only spoken out loud by a certain kind of cultural capitalist, whose vision of it is just as tangential as mine. bullshit about fair play and honest toil and love of the land that i'd counter with a nation of sneak thiefs, factionalists and urban wastrels. the contestedness is always part of the Reality of the nation, any nation really.

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

for every sleepy Sunday C of E-attending agnostic Tory there's an apocalypse-welcoming hair-splitting anabaptist

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Everywhere north of Enfield is basically a wasteland isn't it? Brrrr... Nothing there. Just a man collecting lumps of mud and putting them into a cloth bag.

Glo-Vember (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah but the determination of that which is essential need not be a question of mere majorities

blind pele (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

everybody shd read The Uses of Literacy to see how you can constructively get this wrong in a way that doesn't just mourn real heritage centres. obv Williams and E.P. Thompson and Stuart Hall too

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

the determination of that which is essential need not be a question of mere majorities

quite so, how about the British Isles then as a dumping ground/refugee camp/Wild West for Europe and parts south-east, over millenia, fuelling endless negotiation and conflict over territory, and that is the quicksand underneath Real England that we think of as bedrock?

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

look mate there's no need to get fucking personal, alright

blind pele (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

btw if i was gonna put forward one Real England it wd be old photographs of works sports teams or outings or other ceremonial jollies

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

it would be the commie permawheezing mustachioed drunk one in tinker tailor, tho no doubt they'd have you b'leev it's smiley or haydon

blind pele (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

wait haydon was the commie?

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

SPOILERS

nah think he was the aesthete on a protest against the yanks more than anything else, wasn't the dude ciaran hinds played proper lefty in stated methods tho

blind pele (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

the sparking point of Real England is where the plummy port-swilling foxhunter runs up against the chippy millenarian work-dodger and we drink each others' health and promise ourselves deep down that one day our kind will crush theirs

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

the phoenicians sailed up round to albion to trade tin for spice before the romans had even got out of bed, and if they weren't trading with aboriginal pre-celt and pre-pict inhabitants, then it was certainly aboriginal+1: an island of proto-druid shopkeepers since time immaterial

stonehenge is actually a kind of cashpoint machine

mark s, Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp

oh, Roy Bland. yeah Bland is the angry Puritan I've been talking about, defending his country so's his people can crush the effete Squire class one day

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

but mark, who's to say the aborigines hadn't hopped off the boat from Boulogne just ahead of the celts themselves and so on and so forth??

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

irish close to turks dna-wise iirc

blind pele (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think that's exactly what mark is saying, tbf

blind pele (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Of all the Tribe of Tegumai
Who cut that figure, none remain
On Merrow Down the cuckoos cry
The silence and the sun remain

xp he's called smiley, he has to be of outlander extraction

mark s, Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

^ I wasn't at that FAP

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

clun forest all-mercian jug band champions, tractor runs on wattle and daub

mark s, Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

never get away with haircuts like that up in the Danelaw

Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's like Borges' Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge ... on acid!

You'd think these would cover all bases:

C 12.13.1.1 DOING ACT RESULTING IN CRUELTY TO ANIMAL
C 12.13.1.2 CAUSING ACT RESULTING IN CRUELTY TO ANIMAL
C 12.13.1.3 PROCURING ACT RESULTING IN CRUELTY TO ANIMAL
C 12.13.1.4 PERMITTING ACT RESULTING IN CRUELTY TO ANIMAL
C 12.13.1.5 DOING ACT RESULTING IN ANIMAL SUFFERING UNNECESSARILY
C 12.13.1.6 CAUSING ACT RESULTING IN ANIMAL SUFFERING UNNECESSARILY
C 12.13.1.7 PROCURING ACT RESULTING IN ANIMAL SUFFERING UNNECESSARILY
C 12.13.1.8 PERMITTING ACT RESULTING IN ANIMAL SUFFERING UNNECESSARILY
C 12.13.1.9 OMITTING TO DO ACT THEREBY RESULTING IN ANIMAL SUFFERING UNNECESSARILY
C 12.13.1.10 CAUSING OMISSION OF ACT THEREBY RESULTING IN ANIMAL SUFFERING UNNECESSARILY
C 12.13.1.11 PROCURING OMISSION OF ACT THEREBY RESULTING IN ANIMAL SUFFERING UNNECESSARILY
C 12.13.1.12 PERMITTING OMISSION OF ACT THEREBY RESULTING IN ANIMAL SUFFERING UNNECESSARILY
C 12.13.1.13 CONVEYING OR CARRYING ANIMAL SO AS TO CAUSE UNNECESSARY SUFFERING
C 12.13.1.14 CAUSING ANIMAL TO BE CONVEYED OR CARRIED SO AS TO CAUSE UNNECESSARY SUFFERING
C 12.13.1.15 PROCURING ANIMAL TO BE CONVEYED OR CARRIED SO AS TO CAUSE UNNECESSARY SUFFERING
C 12.13.1.16 PERMITTING ANIMAL TO BE CONVEYED OR CARRIED SO AS TO CAUSE UNNECESSARY SUFFERING

but then:

C 12.13.37.1 MUTILATE KICK BEAT IMPALE STAB BURN STONE CRUSH DROWN DRAG ASPHYIATE A WILD MAMMAL W/I TO INFLICT SUFFERING

Why 'MAMMAL'?!

Toss another shrimpl air on the bbqbbq (ledge), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 11:46 (four weeks ago) Permalink

state as psychopathic demiurge that is sometimes struck with sudden obsessions - badgers, just completely fixating on badgers

woof, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 11:51 (four weeks ago) Permalink

C 5.10.271 USE BADGER TONGS IN COURSE OF KILLING BADGER
C 5.10.272 USE BADGER TONGS IN THE COURSE OF TAKING BADGER
C 5.10.274 USE BADGER TONGS IN THE COURSE OF ATTEMPTING TO TAKE BADGER
C 5.10.292.1 USING BADGER TONGS IN THE COURSE OF KILLING OR TAKING OR ATTEMPTING TO KILL OR TAKE A BADGER

Toss another shrimpl air on the bbqbbq (ledge), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 11:55 (four weeks ago) Permalink

C 5.10.282 DISTURB BADGER WHEN IT IS OCCUPYING BADGER SETT

I thought you were joking

anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:13 (four weeks ago) Permalink

C 5.5.24.1 TAKING FISH AT NIGHT - OTHER THAN BY ANGLING

Oh, so taking fish at night by angling is OK then?

C 5.5.24.2 TAKING FISH AT NIGHT BY ANGLING

Balls...

Chequers Plays Pop (snoball), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:14 (four weeks ago) Permalink

the word "sett" seems like proof if proof be need be badgers are in fact the most online animal

(yes possums are a kind of badger comments are closed)

mark s, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:18 (four weeks ago) Permalink

horse passports, must control horse passports

woof, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:22 (four weeks ago) Permalink

C 12.26.3.2 KICKING A BALL IN THE STREET

Chequers Plays Pop (snoball), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:25 (four weeks ago) Permalink

some of these read like v intense/grim oblique strategies

UTTER A LETTER DEMANDING WITH MENACES

ogmor, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:25 (four weeks ago) Permalink

B 8.2.1 EMBRACERY

So hugging is against the law now?

hot dog go to bathroom (cajunsunday), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:28 (four weeks ago) Permalink

embracery is the very foulest of deeds!

ogmor, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:30 (four weeks ago) Permalink

embracery is corruptly influencing a badger's verdict in a trial, via promise, persuasions, entreaties, money, entertainments or tongs

mark s, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:32 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Being a member of Embrace was outlawed to immense public acclaim in the mid-00s. Probably the best thing the Blair government ever did.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:35 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i never knew i had committed so many crimes

ogmor, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:39 (four weeks ago) Permalink

C 2.10.25 KEEPING A DISORDERLY HOUSE

ogmor, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:39 (four weeks ago) Permalink

gnna jordan peterson yr ass

mark s, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:41 (four weeks ago) Permalink

C 4.12.1 PYRAMID SELLING

guess it's time to wind up my counterfeit-pyramid business 'dodgy gizas'

the Stanley Kubrick of testicular torsion (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:41 (four weeks ago) Permalink

who writes these?

C 7.7.20 WANTONLY DISTURB INHABITANT BY PULLING/RINGING ANY DOORBELL OR KNOCKING ON ANY DOOR

C 7.7.22.1 MOLEST LET DISTURB VEX TROUBLE DISQUIET MISUSE ANY CLERGYMAN MINISTERING/ CELEBRATING ANY RITE/HOLY ORDER

ogmor, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:43 (four weeks ago) Permalink

B 4.9.1 BIGAMY is admirably direct in its language tbf

the Stanley Kubrick of testicular torsion (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:44 (four weeks ago) Permalink

A 6.1.1.6 VIOLATING KING'S ELDEST DAUGHTER

only the eldest, mind

ogmor, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:50 (four weeks ago) Permalink

This one gets me going a bit freeman, sovereign human being.

C 12.21.24.1 WHILST DRUNK VIOLENT QUARRELSOME OR DISORDERLY ON LICENCED PREMISES ON REQUEST TO LEAVE REFUSED TO DO SO

Pretty sure the right to shout "NO, YOU'RE BARRED" at a landlord is in Magna Carta.

woof, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:52 (four weeks ago) Permalink

don't think it can have a comma in it tbf

mark s, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 13:10 (four weeks ago) Permalink

C 12.13.70.1 WRESTLING FIGHTING OR STRUGGLING WITH ANY UNTRAINED BULL

Strikes me there's a hole in this one.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 13:15 (four weeks ago) Permalink

B 4.9.1 BIGAMY is admirably direct in its language tbf

A 1.1.1 GENOCIDE

Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 13:16 (four weeks ago) Permalink

B 8.2.2 NOT FLAGGING BAD POSTS

||||||||, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 13:36 (four weeks ago) Permalink

fp'd

the Stanley Kubrick of testicular torsion (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 13:37 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I've got "Sodomy" from that Peter Jackson muppet movie stuck in my head now

two Barongs don't make a Wight (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 16:45 (four weeks ago) Permalink

an unusual location for sodomy to be stuck iirc

the Stanley Kubrick of testicular torsion (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 16:49 (four weeks ago) Permalink

POSSESSING OR CONTROLLING DEAD BADGER OR PARTS THEREOF

mick signals, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 16:54 (four weeks ago) Permalink

DO AN ACT CALCULATED TO INDUCE DISAFFECTION

mick signals, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 16:55 (four weeks ago) Permalink

CORONER'S CORRUPTION
RECORDING GRINDCORE TRACK ENTITLED CORONER'S CORRUPTION
RECORDING GRINDCORE TRACK ENTITLED CORONER'S CORRUPTION WITH INTENT TO MOCK OFFENCES LIST
MISREPRESENTING SYSTEMS OF CLASSIFICATION OF CARCASSES

mick signals, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:00 (four weeks ago) Permalink

FALSIFYING DOCUMENT IN ANTICIPATION OF WINDING-UP

mick signals, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:07 (four weeks ago) Permalink

A good indicator of the complexities of British common law is that there is an mid-way point between Unlawful Assembly and Riot called Rout but there is no evidence anyone has been charged with it in the last six hundred years.

C 11.6.67 HIRE A HANDCLAW
C 11.6.68 LEND A HANDCLAW
C 11.6.69 GIVE A HANDCLAW

Freddy Kreuger on notice.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:19 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Have to allow for every possible way of levelling up

two Barongs don't make a Wight (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:30 (four weeks ago) Permalink

C 11.6.88 HIRE OF HOLLOW KUBOTAN

One of the best prog-folk albums of the psychedelic era.

Massive sympathy with whoever has to track the latest weapons martial arts dorks are importing this year and wearily add every permutation of possession and supply to the list.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:34 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Some good comes of it though.


Darren Day’s key ring “could kill”

ACTOR Darren Day went on trial yesterday accused of carrying a potentially lethal weapon dubbed an “attitude adjuster” during a trip to Scotland last year.

Prosecutor Neil Allan asked PC Fitzpatrick, lead trainer in officer safety at Lothian and Borders Police, what kind of damage a Kubotan could do if used to its full potential.

The officer said: “Worst case scenario, I could kill somebody with that, absolutely.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:44 (four weeks ago) Permalink

That's just monstrous use of a biro

kinder, Thursday, 15 November 2018 01:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

C 12.11.1 ANY OFFENCE CONTRARY TO COMMON LAW NOT LISTED ELSEWHERE

lazy

kinder, Thursday, 15 November 2018 01:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

C 8.11.1 PERSONATING POLICE OFFICER C 8.11.1.1 IMPERSONATING A POLICE OFFICER

Is this some flammable/inflammable nonsense?

kinder, Thursday, 15 November 2018 01:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

C 10.1.31 ALIEN CAUSING DISAFFECTION

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/005/341/279/large/lucirgo-ergo-alien.jpg

kinder, Thursday, 15 November 2018 01:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Sorry i haven't slept in ages

kinder, Thursday, 15 November 2018 01:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

It may involve a Scotsman and a Dutchman, but
Darts players accuse each other of farting
at a darts tournament in Wolverhampton is Real England.

Chequers Plays Pop (snoball), Saturday, 17 November 2018 15:07 (three weeks ago) Permalink

god, the lowry outlet mall has surpassed itself. I was once working a shift there around this time of year and briefly snapped out of the seasonal discount haze to have a moment of supreme clarity while taking a break from the paul scholes autobiography to discreetly filter painkillers for codeine under the counter to take the edge off the afternoon stretch as simply having a wonderful christmas time played for maybe the 30th time that day. consciousness is nature's nightmare.

ogmor, Friday, 23 November 2018 09:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that is seriously amazing.

The media class had mistakenly thought they had won, overcoming the nation’s hysteric love for this monstrosity, believing they could write him out as easily as he was written in. And so, the media turned on Blobby, declaring him “unfunny”, a symptom of a national dementia, and, unfortunately, it seems like these panicked rejections of the Blob, who threaten to rupture the internal processes of neoliberal subjection, ultimately won out.

We forgot ourselves. They forgot themselves too. But Blobby remains the last true embodiment of rave frivolity, of impolite abandon, of libidinal excess. Blobby is all that we have repressed given a life of its own.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 30 November 2018 08:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Some dude in a Stoke Newington FB group asked if there's "street security" around; someone answered that there is community police, and OP said that this wasn't really what he was asking about, he meant "security officers that patrol the local community and runs protection for shops and people in the community, Ilford has it".

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 3 December 2018 11:25 (one week ago) Permalink

Pretty sure there are at least two rival groups running protection for shops in Stoke Newington.

ShariVari, Monday, 3 December 2018 11:31 (one week ago) Permalink

Dunno if they're keen to advertise on FB neighbourhood groups tho.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 3 December 2018 11:32 (one week ago) Permalink

Does he mean the Stamford Hill Orthodox people who guard synagogues etc?

suzy, Monday, 3 December 2018 12:35 (one week ago) Permalink


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