Occupy Wall Street 3: Now What?

someone on my facebook said the wikileaks truck was stolen!

(i don't know what that means to anyone...)

in any case and for whatever reason, phone reception was apparently lost and the feeds went down

Reports of NYPD deleting phone photo data and confiscating memory cards from arrested protestors

Reports of NYPD deleting phone photo data and confiscating memory cards from arrested protestors

― Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

time for another donation to the ACLU. get those lawsuits started, no?

ive heard reports of cellphone network shutdowns citywide, which if true is kinda scary

― am0n, Friday, November 18, 2011 12:44 AM

err not citywide, but u know what i mean

ugh in portland today a woman was raped shortly before the riot police converged on occupyportland tried to march over the steel bridge. they didn't respond to the rape victim for three hours and the police chief/portland mayoral candidate blamed the occupy movement for making the police "too tired" to do their job. Go fuck yourself with that shit.

URL for that is http://t.co/vRpLMj8U btw

also I think maybe being chief of police and running for mayor at the same time is ultra problematic for all kinds of reasons but that probably belongs on some other thread.

i just watched law and order for five hours in jail

and yeah guy who put the zipties on me gave me the same line about the militarized presence at the protest making it impossible to do police work elsewhere and i was like that sounds serious maybe you should take it up w/ your boss

http://media.katu.com/images/111117_pepper_spray_405.jpg

^^^ outside chase today. girl was a trouper.

geez dfh.

dlh, check your fb messages

done!

(obv you already know that though)

also kingfish, checking the other thread i'm sorry i didn't coordinate anything! we need to learn what one another look like at some point because i think chances are good we've seen each other.

You only spent five hours?!? I spent almost twelve, including three avoiding the pool of urine by the clogged toilet that drew ever closer.

it wasn't actually a very short sentence, it was a very long book-and-release.

exactly ten minutes longer in fact than would have enabled me to catch my train. which i am maybe 80% on their doing on purpose.

how many arrested and did you go to a holding area or the hoosegow?

15 i think were arrested in my group, 22 or so more in an earlier action at wells fargo and i'm sure others throughout the day. they took us to a parking garage somewhere i assumed was a cia black site and let most of us go with citations, but i'm an idiot and had looked at my wallet that morning and thought "lol i don't have any cash, i don't even have any money in my bank account, what kind of grandiose delusion is it to carry around a wallet" and left it behind, so i didn't have my ID, so i went to jail, cuz apparently you go to jail if you don't have your ID. a few other guys did too -- most because they had priors; one for the same reason as me -- as did the girl in the pepper-spray photo above, as far as i could tell just for being pepper-sprayed.

all released around 1 AM.

except for two guys who went down a hallway and we never saw again. the hallway led both to the cells and to the exit so they could be anywhere.

we did an earlier thing at bank of america but they locked their doors in time so we just sat outside for a while and sloganed while they yelled "GET A JOB" through the glass. some wag in a suit inside put up a sign saying PLEASE USE OTHER DOOR so i put one up facing in saying PLEASE USE OTHER SOURCE OF GAMBLING FUNDS and he mouthed "that's pretty good" through the glass. they won though because eventually we just left.

oh and somebody commandeered the pompous flagpoles outside of wells fargo and ran up 1) an inverted american flag (totally feel this in the distress-signal sense but probably not the best idea from a PR standpoint oh well) and 2) an OCCUPY banner, which was pretty cool. made the news. the inverted american flag, i mean. of course.

by pretty cool i actually mean that was totally rad and i saluted it and everything.

1) an inverted american flag (totally feel this in the distress-signal sense but probably not the best idea from a PR standpoint oh well)

lol agreed

some wag in a suit inside put up a sign saying PLEASE USE OTHER DOOR so i put one up facing in saying PLEASE USE OTHER SOURCE OF GAMBLING FUNDS and he mouthed "that's pretty good" through the glass

loooool

xp it was satisfying on a complicated personal level for me, though, because of an Embarrassing Incident i had in fifth-grade "flag duty", to see a crowd of people cheering the upside-down flag.

http://media.katu.com/images/111117_pepper_spray_405.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/13ydwm9.gif

isn't that chick one of the X-Men

whatever, girl's on some boudica shit

also digging whatever that garment is in bottom left

her right breast?

that was your birthday present

max's brother? http://boingboing.net/2011/11/17/interview-with-the-occupy-wall.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=36761

my 45-year-old brother

as did the girl in the pepper-spray photo above, as far as i could tell just for being pepper-sprayed.

― occupy the A train (difficult listening hour), Friday, November 18, 2011 7:33 AM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/17/1037332/-OWS-Participants-Your-Rights-Under-Federal-Law-if-You-are-Pepper-Sprayed-Why-You-Should-Sue-

PLEASE USE OTHER DOOR so i put one up facing in saying PLEASE USE OTHER SOURCE OF GAMBLING FUNDS and he mouthed "that's pretty good" through the glass.

this is my favorite ows related story so far

http://boingboing.net/2011/11/17/interview-with-the-occupy-wall.html

see 4 posts up

I walked around, and put up signs in there offering money to rent out an apartment for a few hours.

I spoke with her on the phone, and a few days later went over and met her. I told her what I wanted to do, and she was enthused. The more I described, the more excited she got.

She wouldn’t take my money. That was the day of the eviction of Zuccotti, the same day. And she’d been listening to the news all day, she saw everything that had happened.

“I can’t charge you money, this is for the people,” she said.

also let her know that the people need a date this weekend

did you just call her a whore

pretty sure i did not

http://mobile.oregonlive.com/advorg/pm_32330/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=gf9Ghoqi

Occupy Portland: Image of Portland police pepper spraying protester goes viral

there are two dates this weekend: the 19th and the 20th. the people can pick either, or both.

http://www.spirituosenworld.de/produkte/wodka/details/absolut_peppar_gr.jpg

wish there had been pepperoni spray for the free pizza in Foley Sq last night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbeSfDbAAmI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNsG1szQPqo

as Peter Sellers' shop steward once said "____ you, I'm all right, Jack"

I will be working, of course.

Monday, September 22nd
9am
Gather @ Battery Park

On Monday, September 22nd at 9:00 am, thousands of people will gather at Battery Park in Lower Manhattan to confront the root cause of the climate crisis - an economic system based on exploiting frontline communities, workers and natural resources. On the heels of the largest-ever march on climate change, we have an opportunity to transform the economic system driving this crisis.

Wearing blue to represent the sea that surrounds us, we rise to the steps of the NY Stock Exchange at 12:00 pm, flooding the area with our bodies in a massive sit-in - a collective act of nonviolent civil disobedience - to confront the system that both causes and profits from the crisis that is threatening humanity.

There is no time to waste - Wall Street must be transformed. Through the power of people taking collective action we will build an economy based on justice and sustainability and stop the climate crisis.

Full call to action and information here: http://floodwallstreet.net

9 AM - Gather @ Battery Park - Breakfast and Music from Rude Mechanical Orchestra
9:30 AM - Speakers - including frontline community leaders of the Climate Justice Alliance, Naomi Klein, Rebecca Solnit and Chris Hedges
11 AM -- Nonviolent Direct Action Training & March
12 PM -- Flood Wall St. and mass Sit-in

Sign up for updates and more information:
http://www.beyondthemarch.org/floodwallstreet

Join the Facebook event:
facebook.com/floodwallstreet

@annamerlan
Bystander: "what's going on?" Police officer setting up barricade, grimly: "Hipsters are gonna go crazy." #FloodWallSt

http://gothamist.com/2014/09/22/flood_wall_street_protest.php

@ChristRobbins
Cop to protester: "@BilldeBlasio supports this stuff, but then he expects us to do stuff to the protesters. It's confusing" #floodwallstreet

https://twitter.com/christrobbins

just cops "doing stuff"

Trying to watch the livestream but so many pauses at times it's almost impossible.

http://new.livestream.com/JamesFromTheInternet/events/3416732

Judging from my experience in the march yesterday, network access can be very location-specific, since from one block to the next I would lose connex.

police response does seem like a litmus test for deBlasio

@ChristRobbins · 18m
Hipster Cop to protester: "You can walk out of here...Because at some point the white shirts are gonna plug this place" #FloodWallStreet

oh well

‏@sarahljaffe 1m
Crowd now singing "We're not gonna take it anymore" #twistedsister #floodwallstreet

apparently several arrests, but

@ChristRobbins · 12m
Talk is that #FloodWallStreet will hang out until the closing bell, or until _____. Atmosphere in the barricades is fluid & festive

If this goes til 4pm, I see several cable bookings for Adolf Giuliani about de Blasio "losing control of the city."

@zoeschlanger · 29s
NYPD just sealed off Wall St. Doesn't look like #FloodWallStreet is getting down here.

@zoeschlanger · 1h
Hearing that after the NYSE bell rings at 4, people are going to 47th and 1st ave for a sit-in at/near the U.N.

@ChristRobbins · 3m
We have pepper spray, now people are sitting down

glad he made it down anyway

https://twitter.com/jordanmammo/status/514192634932658176/photo/1

8:30 p.m.: Police have reportedly arrested approximately 100 people in two large NYPD buses, including the aforementioned polar bear, the superheroes and four people using wheelchairs.

http://gawker.com/nypd-pepper-sprays-flood-wall-street-protesters-1637831529

Keith Devlin
I wonder how it would have ended if it had been a black bear? #JustSaying

Brian Wolven
Ya gotta admit, it truly was a Kodiak moment.

Downtown Josh Brown @ReformedBroker · 3h
How determined is the Fed to keep asset prices elevated? They're literally arresting bears on Wall Street.

I can't help but think that Occupy helped pave the way for Bernie Sanders.

In addition to whatever rhetorical/political groundwork laying OWS may have done, there's actually a significant portion of OWS alums on staff & managing volunteers for his campaign too.

his major campaign themes are def ripped directly from the OWS agenda.

(it's so weird how people on this thread were discussing, many years ago, whether OWS had "failed" or not. history is long, and stuff has a way of taking a while to ramify.)

was just reading this in the NYC lefty monthly tabloid

https://indypendent.org/2016/02/02/what-happens-bernie-sanders-movement-if-he-loses

well

http://i.imgur.com/bdf9SLG.png

this time i'm getting paid at least

is a hoos locked up yet?

Still driving the STEEN.

hunnerts arrested

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/11/473874785/hundreds-protest-gerrymandering-campaign-finance-laws-on-capitols-steps

this was fun

and granted i've been backstroking in the kool-aid for a while now, but i think i've bought into our long term strategy that we can actually get the reform agenda we want passed in 5 years

Riding by the park in DC where all the camps were yesterday - I've done it a hundred times, if not more - and the cabbie asked "when was it they had all those people camping out here?" and realized yup, five years ago, not that long after my daughter was born. And right about the same time Qaddafi died, too.

wall street occupied, osama and Qaddafi died, tombots little baby cried, WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE

5 indeed.

Freddie deBoer:

I’m regularly accused of believing things that I’ve never said and don’t believe. That’s largely a facet of the fact that, on the internet today, arguing with people is really a matter of misrepresenting what they’re saying and then attacking the misrepresentation. One of the most constant of these is that I say “both parties are the same.” I’ve never said that. Ever. In my life. But over time, the claims of friends who do say that have been vindicated over and over again.

By that I mean something very simple: my communist friends who really do say that the two parties are the same make predictions about politics. My Democrat friends do the same. Looking back at the times when the two groups have clashed, the commies have been right literally 100% of the time....

If you’re a young person looking to actually make change in the world, I’m not quite sure what to tell you. I think you need to build something entirely new. Because Lucy will never let you kick that football. I am not ready to write off partisan politics entirely. I still don’t say both parties are the same. I think that a socialist movement should use a concert of tactics — in the labor movement, in street-level protests, in grassroots organizing, and in partisan politics — to try and effect change. But I know by now to expect less than nothing from the Democrats, and they never, ever let me down. Young radicals, you should utilize the Democratic party if you find it useful in the short term, but you have to understand: the Democrats hate you, and they will always hate you. There is no tangible evidence whatsoever to suggest that’s going to change.

http://fredrikdeboer.com/2016/02/29/democrats-always-prove-the-commies-right/

*One of the most constant of these is that I say “both parties are the same.” I’ve never said that. Ever. In my life. But over time, the claims of friends who do say that have been vindicated over and over again.*

Lol

Kinda just started skimming after "Freddie deBoer"

"Her campaign has also worked tirelessly to drive a wedge between the traditional constituencies of the left, engaging in vicious smear tactics against Sanders and his supporters, playing feminism against the campaign for economic justice and treating any concern for class as ipso facto racist and sexist.."

Fuck this guy

He's talking about you.

^^^^^^^^

i kind of agree w/ freddie there, but most of all b/c hillary clinton is a politician and that's what most politicians do, they drive wedges to win. clinton has been nastier than some, less nasty than others.

the idea that this should translate to my not voting for HC -- as deboer has argued elsewhere -- doesn't follow.

By that I mean something very simple: my communist friends who really do say that the two parties are the same make predictions about politics. My Democrat friends do the same. Looking back at the times when the two groups have clashed, the commies have been right literally 100% of the time....

literally 100%. he's done a study!

I am not ready to write off partisan politics entirely

sez, portentously, a guy who blogs and does nothing else. (wait, he teaches rhetoric.)

good ol freddie.

what do freddie's worthless pontifications on politics have to do w occupy wall st?

actually, this--

treating any concern for class as ipso facto racist and sexist

is ridiculously hyperbolic

what's with freddie and the "any" "all" "100%"

the guy doesn't know how to modulate

makes for lousy arguments

posts

beats me, mordy