even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/misc/pixel.gif

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/26/garden/26TWENTIES_SPAN/26TWENTIES-articleLarge.jpg

she needs to come along for the ride.

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/27/arts/27RATS_SPAN/27RATS_SPAN-articleLarge.jpg

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

sorry, link: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/arts/design/dinner-at-an-exhibition-rat-prepared-many-ways.html?ref=dining

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

I mean that's what we are, basically

ya they know what theyre doin

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

that sounds like trolling

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

i hope that they get the plague and die.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

too much time on nyt

http://storify.com/jcstearns/lessons-from-the-fake-new-york-times-wikileaks-op

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

ya tavi is awesome

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

nothing to hate about tavi.

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

i have tried it and it worked

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

it notes clearly that she was joking

yah what gives

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

so by hipster they just mean young money?

http://i.imgur.com/aXnRN.jpg

well

i am STILL thinking about the 3-house guy's Tesla blowing up and then he kills 3 guys!! is that for real? holy crap. those three guys are totally going to haunt those three houses! where is my script-writing pencil? Netflix, have I got a story for you...

It must be nice for your career to really just be a hobby for stuff to do with your trust fund.

Let us not forget the son named “McKenzie”. (How did that become one of the most popular child names?)

Too many children already named Attila.

Is the lap pool just for the dog? It looks like it's three feet wide and fifteen feet long.

Look, it's not called a laps pool

i am STILL thinking about the 3-house guy's Tesla blowing up and then he kills 3 guys!! is that for real?

Just looking at some articles, it seems like all we know is that the Tesla was on fire after the crash. It sounds like the police just didn't rule out the possibility that it could have been on fire before the crash (there aren't any witnesses I guess.) Also no indication as to who was at fault, that I can tell.

I'm happy to be corrected if there's another article out there.

https://www.thehour.com/news/article/wilton-william-price-killed-long-island-car-crash-17817777.php

This article makes it sound like the driver of the other car was at fault.

Price was in a Tesla heading west on Route 25 in East Marion in the town of Southold when the car was struck head-on by a Ford Explorer.

Which, more to the point, that makes it seem likely that the Tesla was not on fire prior to the collision. Unless the 80-year-old pulmonologist behind the wheel of the Explorer was like, "Buckle up, honey. 1000 points for hitting a burning Tesla!"

reporting isn't clear on who was at fault, but the fire seems to have been caused by the crash:

"In an interview Saturday afternoon, Police Chief Martin Flatley said the Tesla caught fire in the collision and burned for two hours."

https://shelterislandreporter.timesreview.com/2023/02/20/four-killed-in-two-car-crash-in-east-marion/

other articles seem to suggest Heath's car was responsible:

"The accident occurred in the eastbound lane of Route 25 near Truman’s Beach in East Marion. Investigators said the driver of a 2023 Tesla was going west on the roadway and crashed into an eastbound 2020 Ford Explorer, causing the Explorer to flip and the Tesla to catch fire."

https://finzfirm.com/blog/new-york-accidents/head-on-collision-on-route-25-on-long-island-leaves-4-people-dead/

(language there ambiguous)

Yeah, I don't know how much to read into the choice of passive or active voice.

I knew (or heard of) a neighbor around here with a little lap pool. It generates a current to swim against, so it's basically just the tiny pool equivalent of a treadmill. It's in a heated garage. The picture in that (ridiculous) article implies this is more of a long skinny outdoor pool, which is extra stupid, because that means they can't use it 3/4 of the year.

Who names their fucking house(s)?

x-post - I have driven that road many times and it's terrifying at night out where they were. Completely pitch black and nothing but farms on either side for lots of it and people speed like crazy. I hated driving it at night.

I like when people name their houses. Where I grew up in the summer it was really common. One of the people on my street had one named Witt's End because their last name was Witt. I always thought that was cute. Their son was Paul-Junger Witt who produced the Golden Girls!

people likes their houses to look nice before instagram, fyi

I knew (or heard of) a neighbor around here with a little lap pool. It generates a current to swim against, so it's basically just the tiny pool equivalent of a treadmill. It's in a heated garage.

sounds like a swim spa.

https://www.sfspas.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/HP18-Swim-Spa-Jodie-Swim-Front-Stroke-Image21-FNL-3-1024x576.jpg

My in-laws have one, although they just use it like a hot tub. But it's WIDE enough to swim, if you wanted to. The pool in the picture looks like you'd be banging elbows on concrete.

"people liked their houses to look nice before instagram"

"people named their houses where i summered"

such comments imply that such people as featured in the article are innocuous. they are not, and they deserve scorn.

Naming your house is like getting vanity plates on your car, except that no one is naming their house SMITHFAM or HESRISEN or EATSPPL or whatever. But maybe they should.

yeah they look like the typical 5-star-reviewed airbnb

people likes their houses to look nice before instagram, fyi

xpost Clearly you didn't read the article:

And they kept it bare: “When you’re going from one location to the next, you’re always bringing this stuff with you, and you don’t want to be surrounded by stuff. You just want to be in a place that’s welcoming and clean.” That made it easy when they decided to rent it out through online booking sites.

They should have filled each house with adorable little dogs.

They could call it "The Dog House."

Naming your house is like getting vanity plates on your car, except that no one is naming their house SMITHFAM or HESRISEN or EATSPPL or whatever. But maybe they should.

The concept of naming your house seems incredibly pretentious to me, but I considered it when my daughter became familiar with the concept and insisted that we should name our house "The turtle house". She also wants us to get a vanity plate for our car which says "TURTLE".

I'm wondering if the firewood in the TV stand is for actual use. That sounds like a mess of bark, wood chips, dust, and cables.

"people named their houses where i summered"

such comments imply that such people as featured in the article are innocuous. they are not, and they deserve scorn.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, April 11, 2024 10:50 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I didn't say "summered". I would literally never use that; it's obnoxious and pompous. We had a summer house because my parents owned a seasonal business there and they built that house for less than 20k. A lot of the named houses there were very small with some being shacks. Not all named houses are Saltburn style mansions. Not trying to excuse the ppl in the article at all - they sound unbearable. Still think named houses can be cute.

Naming houses is rich ppl shit but also it’s free and anyone can do it if they want.

(or it’s five bucks to buy a sign that says DUNROAMIN to put by the front door.)

“Keep Away By Court Order”

near our house on marthas vineyard was a road called Goa Way.

my grandparents had a named house. Seagull! it was a beautiful house. actually, when we moved to the Vineyard we lived in a tiny house owned my Maria's grandmother and it was called Wood's Edge. it was...600 square feet? maybe a little bigger. so, no mansion.

I was just pushing back against the dichotomy of “instagram house” vs “disorganized houses or whatever jeez, i hate rich people too

xpost - Maybe it's an east coast island thing. I was talking about Fire Island which has a similar vibe to MV just more gays and no cars. Yes, obv it's largely a rich people thing but not always and in beachy places it can be very cute. I bet Seagull was gorgeous.

we have, like, no backyard where we live. we do have a lovely ravine or "dingle" if you will way back behind our house for when we want to commune with mosquitos. but i have fantasized if i ever had the money to build a kinda long tiny house on our tiny yard and put one of those long lap pools in it! and have the tiny house be heated. a tiny pool house. i hate going to the river to get into water. that is the full extent of my rich people dreams. other than making our big attic into a real room where i can put all my books and records. because most of my books are in boxes in the attic. but we never have extra money.

Seagull got bought by a super-rich guy and he totally made it twice the size and all weird looking. it was right on the water. long island sound.

:( Of course he did.

Perfect description of the aesthetic. I like how there are no visible books or cultural ephemera or decoration you can’t get at a West Elm, or evidence of an inner life.
― Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, April 11, 2024 9:55 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Right. It would probably make a good separate thread, but it's like there are always a handful of vague signifiers of quirk or hipness but nothing that points to a particular person with a particular personality living there. Which I guess makes sense for an airbnb, because it has to straddle the line between being homey like a house and impersonal like a hotel. Guests don't want to feel like they're intruding in someone else's home. But to actually make your own house that way is so fucking weird.

My many bookshelves are covered in dust, as they should be.

TBC my earlier post was meant in a self-deprecating way and I'm not suggesting wanting your house to be neat is a bad thing

lol I’m sorry I totally misread your tone

Let us not forget the son named “McKenzie”. (How did that become one of the most popular child names?)

― Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland)

It happened . . . one day at a time.

My many bookshelves are covered in dust, as they should be.

Nothing wrong with trying to stay neat. As a bachelor I gave up, now that I’m a married man in a new home I am making a bit of an effort (it helps my spouse is a clean person who tries to declutter).

_Let us not forget the son named “McKenzie”. (How did that become one of the most popular child names?)

― Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland)_

It happened . . . one day at a time.

lotta tree names where we live. willow. cedar.

dylan and jaden waning though...

lotta tree names where we live. willow. cedar.

― scott seward, Thursday, April 11, 2024 4:49 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink[

Aww! My family house where we grew up was named "The Cedars" long before we got there. It was sweet. No one called it that, there was just a very picturesque old plaque on the gate to the driveway.

My mum's house in devon has a name. Last time I sent her a package the lady at a midtown USPS rolled her eyes at me when she had to copy out the address.

This Daily ep about Mexican cartels doing timeshare fraud is quite something. I cannot stop thinking about the retired state cop who sent this supposed Mexican businessman a million bucks, his entire retirement savings PLUS money he had to borrow! because he's a retired law enforcement official who "has a pretty good sense about people." Do you though. And of course his wife "had doubts" but the little lady doesn't handle their money.

People who defraud seniors are evil, beneath contempt--no question. But this is a funny case for the NYT to choose to cover.

And by funny I mean it's very NYT of them.

Well it sounds like an entertaining story at least, I want to listen to it now

calling my house* "dunpoastin (i will never be dunpoastin)"

*flat