even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

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scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (six years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (six years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (six years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (six years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/27/arts/27RATS_SPAN/27RATS_SPAN-articleLarge.jpg

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (six years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (six years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (six years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (six years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (six years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (six years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (six years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (six years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (six years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (six years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (six years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (six years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (six years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (six years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (six years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (six years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (six years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (six years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (six years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (six years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (six years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (six years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (six years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (six years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (six years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (six years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (six years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (six years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (six years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (six years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (six years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (six years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (six years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (six years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (six years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (six years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (six years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (six years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/aXnRN.jpg

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (six years ago) Permalink

I felt such a sense of deep embarrassment at just the headline, photo and caption that I couldn't read any further.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 22:20 (two months ago) Permalink

it gets worse

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 05:48 (two months ago) Permalink

The Caligula stage of late capitalism is so fucking dull.

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 08:31 (two months ago) Permalink

guyz she's buddies with julia allison and they co-emcee events together its 2006 all over again

carles danger maus (s.clover), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 15:57 (two months ago) Permalink

do you think glenn thrush got a mentor pic.twitter.com/Mv60QaRkie

— chris hooks (@cd_hooks) July 3, 2018

Simon H., Wednesday, 4 July 2018 16:32 (two months ago) Permalink

NYC is the most obliviously and proudly parochial place in the world pic.twitter.com/79hB4uDwp6

— Daniel Kay Hertz (@DanielKayHertz) July 14, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 15 July 2018 16:42 (two months ago) Permalink

Last Sunday they ran a one-page Your Five-Year Plan Before Retirement.

A key paragraph began, roughly, "Let's say you have $1.5 million in your 401k..."

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 July 2018 16:49 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

the response to the quinn norton debacle has been kind of encouraging:

http://fortune.com/2018/07/23/susan-fowler-new-york-times/
https://www.nytco.com/sarah-jeong-joins-the-timess-editorial-board/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:37 (one month ago) Permalink

Our statement in response to criticism of the hiring of Sarah Jeong. pic.twitter.com/WryIgbaoqg

— NYTimes Communications (@NYTimesPR) August 2, 2018

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:10 (one month ago) Permalink

jfc this newspaper is a lost cause

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:15 (one month ago) Permalink

god forbid the Times actually do the right thing, which would be issue a statement that said, in full: "It's not possible to be racist against white people, you absolute chucklefucks."

evol j, Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:16 (one month ago) Permalink

I mean, white men are bullshit. wtf.

Yerac, Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:18 (one month ago) Permalink

The cursor in the statement really adds to the earnest tone.

mick signals, Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:07 (one month ago) Permalink

I thought the statement was fine

k3vin k., Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:45 (one month ago) Permalink

me too tbh

marcos, Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:47 (one month ago) Permalink

Especially since people land in fb jail for saying men/white people are trash but it's fine to threaten, dox or use slurs against minorities and women there. Was it cernovich and his minions enraging people about this?

Yerac, Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:52 (one month ago) Permalink

I agree w/ evol that the statement is dumb. SJ did absolutely nothing wrong from what I can tell.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:53 (one month ago) Permalink

lmao I forgot she was the one who was involved with the Matt Bruenig/Demos fracas from whenever that happened

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:12 (one month ago) Permalink

What tone policing bullshit. Instead, the Times should have said gfy this is our hire, you can't shame us by accusing us of caring about equity because we refuse to consider it shameful and will say so, repeatedly, using all our communication skillsets. Instead of "We told this person who you hate and are sending death-threats to that she has been a very very bad girl, and will have to go to the time-out corner if she continues to tell the teachers that you threw rocks at her during recess. She knows better now, and you can throw all the rocks you want. You're welcome. Please read our newspaper please please please please"

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:07 (one month ago) Permalink

^^^

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:12 (one month ago) Permalink

the tweets were stupid (though obviously not 'racist'), the times statement is fine, and the verge article is otm. the times is doing the right thing by standing by her and everything is going to be ok

k3vin k., Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:48 (one month ago) Permalink

everything will be "ok" but the times doesn't get it, and that's a problem.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:02 (one month ago) Permalink

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djn6gRvU0AArgws.jpg

few do

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:11 (one month ago) Permalink

in orbit otm

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:30 (one month ago) Permalink

The BBC News can fuck off with that Fox News headline.

Yerac, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:36 (one month ago) Permalink

ffs bbc

also ffs anyone who caves to trolls on this crap. also her tweets were funny and need no defense qed fuiud.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 23:29 (one month ago) Permalink

and yerac ohm if this entire sad little episode proves anything it's that white men are bullshit

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 23:30 (one month ago) Permalink

lol thank u autocorrect. yerac OTM

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 23:30 (one month ago) Permalink

k3vin otm

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 23:33 (one month ago) Permalink

liberals really need to stop falling for this racism-baiting. 90% of the people yelling about this are not concerned about "racism," they are angry that they or people like them get called out for racism and are jumping at the chance to call "hypocrisy."

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 03:39 (one month ago) Permalink

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djwt_FLUwAACPJV.jpg

mookieproof, Saturday, 4 August 2018 20:26 (one month ago) Permalink

Excuse me what

devops mom (silby), Saturday, 4 August 2018 20:50 (one month ago) Permalink

Wait actually I do not care what

devops mom (silby), Saturday, 4 August 2018 20:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Every sentence in that is a mess.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 4 August 2018 20:59 (one month ago) Permalink

writing an opinion column week after week for years isn't easy, but so many of ours seem so fucking dumb

mookieproof, Saturday, 4 August 2018 21:18 (one month ago) Permalink

please tell me that's from an op-ed generator

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 5 August 2018 00:24 (one month ago) Permalink

No countries with Airbnbs have ever gone to war with each other

louise ck (milo z), Sunday, 5 August 2018 00:30 (one month ago) Permalink

jfc

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkLc_C5X4AAR-Rw.jpg:small

mookieproof, Thursday, 9 August 2018 18:51 (one month ago) Permalink

airbnb is the new nato sounds like something that was conceived while conversing with an Uber driver on the way to the Maidan

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 9 August 2018 19:04 (one month ago) Permalink

CENTRISTS: confronting someone in a restaurant is so horrible, no one is polite anymore
ALSO CENTRISTS: hey everyone check out how awful my new coworker is

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 9 August 2018 19:27 (one month ago) Permalink

In what workplace is it customary to refrain from welcoming a new employee until they prove they deserve it?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 9 August 2018 19:28 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/sarah-jeong-and-the-question-of-context

really appreciated this

k3vin k., Friday, 10 August 2018 02:19 (one month ago) Permalink

(via jelani cobb)

k3vin k., Friday, 10 August 2018 02:19 (one month ago) Permalink

Wtf, who is Elizabeth Williamson?

Frederik B, Friday, 10 August 2018 07:18 (one month ago) Permalink

anyway...

k3vin k., Friday, 10 August 2018 18:23 (one month ago) Permalink

love too remove the reporters bylines from the homepage while making the terrible oped section columnists more prominent

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 14:50 (one month ago) Permalink

you cant just take their names off, man.. they're not the fucking ny yankees

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 15:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Traveling on private jets is costly, but it may be the most efficient way to tour colleges. It is worth it to people who have more money than free time and no desire to pack into the family car for an interminable drive, said Mr. Henderson.

One of the newest tour services will be started after Labor Day by XOJet, a private jet chartering company, which plans to transport students and their families to five college hubs: Atlanta, Boston, Miami, New York and Washington. The service is being offered in a partnership with Mandarin Oriental hotels and Ms. Siegel.

The package can top $30,000 per trip, and can even hit six figures if families move among multiple hubs. Aware of the high price tag, XOJet is pitching its bundled service as less expensive than the individual costs of the flight, hotel and counseling.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/31/your-money/college-tours-private-jet.html

mookieproof, Saturday, 1 September 2018 19:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

no different than any other service enjoyed by the 1%, this is just how they live

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 1 September 2018 20:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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