even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

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scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (five years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (five years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (five years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (five years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/27/arts/27RATS_SPAN/27RATS_SPAN-articleLarge.jpg

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (five years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (five years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (five years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (five years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (five years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (five years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (five years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (five years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (five years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (five years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (five years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (five years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (five years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (five years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (five years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (five years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (five years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (five years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (five years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (five years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (five years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (five years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (five years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (five years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (five years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (five years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (five years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (five years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

goole, Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:57 (five years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (five years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (five years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (five years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (five years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (five years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (five years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (five years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (five years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (five years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (five years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/aXnRN.jpg

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (five years ago) Permalink

because everyone in the subculture is an attention whore, the fit is perfect

j., Tuesday, 8 May 2018 16:41 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/as-gentrification-escalates-in-calif-people-wonder-where-can-the-homeless-go/2018/05/06/d2b1018a-4a43-11e8-9072-f6d4bc32f223_story.html?utm_term=.9cd0ffffcf67

No bus line runs here, and the nearest grocery is a hilly two-mile walk. The only real virtue of the one-acre lot was that, while people work in the neighboring tech warehouses, no one actually lives anywhere near here.

“We need our own area without a lot of people around,” Jennifer Juarez, who has been diagnosed with schizophrenia and has been homeless for years, said as she surveyed the field. “But this? I don’t know.”

That this remote lot is even a temporary housing option for some of Orange County’s 5,000 homeless people speaks to the growing compassion fatigue that California is confronting. Frustrated with the slow pace of politics and demanding immediate, street-level action, residents in the wealthiest counties along California’s coast have been agitating for a solution — which increasingly involves pushing homeless people out of sight.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:20 (one month ago) Permalink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion_fatigue

Compassion fatigue, also known as secondary traumatic stress (STS), is a condition characterized by a gradual lessening of compassion over time. It is common among individuals that work directly with trauma victims such as therapists (paid and unpaid), child welfare workers, nurses, teachers, psychologists, police officers, paramedics, emergency medical technicians (EMTs), firefighters, animal welfare workers, health unit coordinators and anyone who helps out others, especially family members, relatives, and other informal caregivers of patients suffering from a chronic illness.[1]

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:21 (one month ago) Permalink

people don't try to relocate homeless people out of sight because of "compassion fatigue", it's because they are "Nazis"

valorous wokelord (silby), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:52 (one month ago) Permalink

homelessness framed as a problem of the wealthy is so classically wapo/nyt

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:55 (one month ago) Permalink

so the term compassion fatigue presumes that you had some quantity of compassion to begin with

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:57 (one month ago) Permalink

it's orange county

brimstead, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:59 (one month ago) Permalink

A fire last fall that threatened the Getty Museum and Bel-Air started in a hillside homeless encampment, drawing calls from some of the richest Los Angeles neighborhoods for the government to do more to address the issue. Downtown businesses also burned as a result of cooking fires that got out of control in homeless enclaves.

[...]

Days later, a homeless man walked into a steakhouse in Ventura, north of Los Angeles, and fatally stabbed a 35-year-old man as he ate dinner, his 5-year-old daughter sitting on his lap.

quelle quiddity

kinder, gentler (sleepingbag), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:01 (one month ago) Permalink

the city of los angeles wants to build housing for the homeless in koreatown and everyone there is, to quote ch3rry g14z3r of kcrw, "up in arms" (kinda chuckled at the choice of words the ghostwriters decided to use)

F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:02 (one month ago) Permalink

Replace some of the tourists with Brooklyn hipsters (who also wear fanny packs — but ironically)

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:49 (one month ago) Permalink

writing

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:50 (one month ago) Permalink

“The idea for Canal Street Market came about because we were thinking about what the neighborhood really needed and what we saw was a huge demand for exciting, new food concepts,”

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:06 (one month ago) Permalink

fuckin love concepts

i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:07 (one month ago) Permalink

how about a knuckle sandwich

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:09 (one month ago) Permalink

kind of hard to imagine that there is part of manhattan that hasn't been gentrified?

marcos, Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:09 (one month ago) Permalink

http://www.governing.com/gov-institute/voices/col-economic-development-low-unemployment-wages.html

There's actually not much wrong with this article and in the end it gets to the right point, I just find it funny how gingerly he has to approach it, taking paragraphs before he can cautiously point out that maybe employers need to pay more if they can't fill jobs.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:13 (one month ago) Permalink

His understatement and tact somehow make it even more of a masterful pwn of basically an entire generation of capitalists

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 17 May 2018 22:30 (one month ago) Permalink

The unbearable whiteness of brieing

mick signals, Friday, 18 May 2018 00:18 (one month ago) Permalink

The one from the weekend that was like “how the bass player from girls vs boys spends his Sunday in fort Greene” fucking killed me

calstars, Friday, 18 May 2018 00:21 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/nyregion/how-johnny-temple-book-publisher-and-rocker-spends-his-sundays.html

I don't mind it as much as some of these, I feel like most of us would look like assholes (or borderline suicide cases) if shanghaied into publishing a daily journal - you can either put a chipper bullshit spin on it or calmly note how you spent two hours staring at your office/cubicle wall.

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 18 May 2018 05:22 (one month ago) Permalink

Based on his and his wife's occupation and the fact that he moved to Ft. Greene in 1990, he's probably not exactly the ruling class unless he comes from money. I don't think you get rich from those kinds of bands or from having a niche book publisher, although I did just learn from googling that they published Go The Fuck to Sleep and that was probably something of a hit.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 18 May 2018 05:40 (one month ago) Permalink

If he owns property in Fort Greene (possible for someone who moved there in 1990) then that alone could make him a... some low number percenter, right?

chinavision!, Friday, 18 May 2018 13:24 (one month ago) Permalink

I would be shocked if "Go The Fuck To Sleep" has not made them a cool million or more, that thing is huuuuge. More legit source of wealth than most, tbf.

noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Friday, 18 May 2018 14:29 (one month ago) Permalink

The unbearable whiteness of brieing

underappreciated post imo

i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 May 2018 14:53 (one month ago) Permalink

That NYT article. Who is scared of canal st? It's throbbing with tourists. Ok, I answered my own question.

Yerac, Friday, 18 May 2018 15:09 (one month ago) Permalink

Granted, I love food halls and it's weird that NYC doesn't have that many, like they do in asia. And I super hope all the asians get their money with jacked up rents.

Yerac, Friday, 18 May 2018 15:11 (one month ago) Permalink

i think that johnny temple thing was just designed to make me feel like a schlub. easy to hate on the aspirational brooklyn hepcat superhero. he seems like a nice enough guy. he went to college with my wife.

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2018 15:21 (one month ago) Permalink

plus, house of gvsb is a super-cool album.

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2018 15:24 (one month ago) Permalink

i did not realize that gvsb was a going concern

mookieproof, Friday, 18 May 2018 15:25 (one month ago) Permalink

Me either

calstars, Friday, 18 May 2018 15:49 (one month ago) Permalink

plus, house of gvsb is a super-cool album.

yeah, this was my favourite album when i was 15 and it still whips ass iirc

i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 May 2018 15:52 (one month ago) Permalink

Not much angers me more than when people mobilize neighborhood opposition to homeless shelters: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/opinion/editorials/park-savoy-homeless-shelter-manhattan.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

...tying into the 'compassion fatigue' article above I guess

chinavision!, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:30 (one month ago) Permalink

oh, and for the obligatory quid ag quote

“Yes, we live comfortably,” [midtown resident] Ms. Silverstein told me, “but he’s not sticking it to billionaires, he’s sticking it to people like myself who work 100 hours a week. We’re not bad people. We’re just trying to get ahead.”

chinavision!, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:44 (one month ago) Permalink

Working 100 hours a week makes you a bad person actually

valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, 18 May 2018 23:47 (one month ago) Permalink

Unless you’re poor in which case I guess it makes you an alive person

valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, 18 May 2018 23:47 (one month ago) Permalink

Anyway, eat the rich, preferably tomorrow

valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, 18 May 2018 23:48 (one month ago) Permalink

“We just want to get ahead” is antisocial and depraved thinking, Ms. Silverstein

valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, 18 May 2018 23:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Rich people (and all MBAs and finance bros ever) lying about the amount of hours they work is my most hated thing

Dan I., Saturday, 19 May 2018 02:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Capitalists feigning labor is the ultimate insult to actual labor

Dan I., Saturday, 19 May 2018 02:07 (one month ago) Permalink

Rich people (and all MBAs and finance bros ever) lying about the amount of hours they work

Let's see about that. there are 168 hours in a week. If you work 100 of those hours and sleep exactly 6 hours every night, that leaves exactly 26 hours a week or 3.75 hours a day to do everything else in one's life, including eating, shitting, peeing, paying bills, buying groceries, staring at the wall, and somehow maintain one's sanity.

However, if you take one day a week off from work, that leaves exactly 2 hours distributed evenly through the other 6 days in which to cram all the rest of your non-working life. Hmmm. Seems kinda unlikely to me.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 19 May 2018 02:31 (one month ago) Permalink

I was gonna say.

I’ve worked some seventy hour weeks before, and they nearly pushed me to the point of exhaustion.

rb (soda), Saturday, 19 May 2018 02:38 (one month ago) Permalink

For the six months after I graduated from high school, I worked 60 hours a week waiting tables - I lost 45 pounds and have no real memories of the six months.

louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 19 May 2018 02:43 (one month ago) Permalink

They are counting the time they spend checking and responding to their work from wherever.

Yerac, Saturday, 19 May 2018 04:05 (one month ago) Permalink

I simply hate the valorization of 'always working'. People who talk about how they're always on the job, married to their work, never want to retire etc. Really bums me out! Possibly related to why I'm currently unemployed...

chinavision!, Saturday, 19 May 2018 15:03 (one month ago) Permalink

I really enjoy being very busy at work, working weekends. I’m not going to work any more than 50 hours a week most weeks, though. Nor do I consider it a badge of honor, it’s just like an addiction.

Jeff, Saturday, 19 May 2018 15:15 (one month ago) Permalink

We had a lot of 70, 80+ yr old men at my old job. They were completely useless but had the years, money and status to still make people do their bidding. Basically they were just wheeled out for clients but like, couldn't use a computer. All their admins had all their passwords. TO get them to retire they got super nice sunset retirement agreements where they could still get paid from their past clients even though they were no longer employed.

Yerac, Saturday, 19 May 2018 16:40 (one month ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

ironic, considering the source, but nevertheless

@felixsalmon
30-year-old buys a $750k place in the East Village, has a bad experience renovating it, then finds it cramped, so she sells it for $1m and buys a $2.4m place in Williamsburg instead. Your weekend hate-read: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/realestate/for-house-flippers-reality-meets-reality-tv.html

mookieproof, Saturday, 16 June 2018 04:13 (one week ago) Permalink

750 in the east village almost sounds reasonable.

valorous wokelord (silby), Saturday, 16 June 2018 04:20 (one week ago) Permalink


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