The number of new cases in Italy is continuing to fall.- Thursday: 6,153 new- Friday: 5,959 new- Saturday: 5,974 new- Sunday: 5,217 new- Monday: 4,050 new https://t.co/MPHgZBc8gH— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) March 30, 2020
― extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Monday, 30 March 2020 19:21 (four years ago) link
awful numbers in absolute terms still but plausibly a trendline
― silby, Monday, 30 March 2020 19:23 (four years ago) link
Fingers crossed…
― coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 19:24 (four years ago) link
The direction of travel is the thing. People dying now could have got infected a month ago. It’s good to see something better at least.
― extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Monday, 30 March 2020 19:25 (four years ago) link
Yerac, yea I found the same when I went to Sainsbury’s earlier - it is literally impossible to NEVER be in someone’s 2m space, tho most ppl were trying
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 30 March 2020 19:27 (four years ago) link
yeah, I know it's not necessary to shower/wash clothes after being outside but it just makes me feel better since people seemed to be on my ass in the store. Plus, I just like showering.
here is the direct slack link xpost. https://join.slack.com/t/poxyfule/shared_invite/zt-csm19k0n-P_w0mauC3_sXUXus~TI0mw
― Yerac, Monday, 30 March 2020 19:29 (four years ago) link
the italy numbers are heartening - if they can achieve a reduction even with subpar efforts
― Mordy, Monday, 30 March 2020 19:30 (four years ago) link
Italy has been on lockdown for close to three weeks now so it would be horrifying if cases were still climbing. Even Spain is starting to level off IIRC?
― Matt DC, Monday, 30 March 2020 20:10 (four years ago) link
As two or three people have pointed out, I've got to stop drawing inferences from weekend data. Canada's daily cases again took a big jump today.
― clemenza, Monday, 30 March 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link
Worldometers is at least recognizing their reporting of flawed data now:
Due to delayed and incomplete reporting from New York State, we had to make adjustments to yesterday's totals in order to maintain the correct attribution of historical figures. US figures for Sunday, March 29 could still be incomplete.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 30 March 2020 20:35 (four years ago) link
Instructions unclear, apocalypse imminent:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/30/astrophysicist-gets-magnets-stuck-up-nose-while-inventing-coronavirus-device
― coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link
Obviously didn't read the customary warning on a box of magnets: "Keep out of the reach of small children and astrophysicists".
― Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Monday, 30 March 2020 21:13 (four years ago) link
not having enough magnets saved him.
― Yerac, Monday, 30 March 2020 21:14 (four years ago) link
this is happening in Ireland
Update: #Coronavirus: HSE says it is working closely with pharma firms to ensure adequate stock of arthritis/lupus drugs - hydroxychloroquine and tocilizumab - that are now being used to treat critically ill #Covid19 patients - more here: https://t.co/YU7OEB0HGS via @IrishTimes pic.twitter.com/drYB7UUhUU— Simon Carswell (@SiCarswell) March 30, 2020
― extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Monday, 30 March 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link
so some doctors are using this drug to treat?
― akm, Monday, 30 March 2020 21:27 (four years ago) link
It’s doctors are using little a this drug, as a treatGet it right
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 30 March 2020 21:28 (four years ago) link
noted?
https://www.mediaite.com/news/johnson-johnson-to-begin-human-trials-of-coronavirus-vaccine-by-september-could-be-ready-in-early-2021/
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 March 2020 21:53 (four years ago) link
yall, as noted above (i think in this thread): hydroxychloroquine is not a quack treatment, there is reason to believe it may be effective, and actual trials by reputable investigators are underway
― gbx, Monday, 30 March 2020 22:17 (four years ago) link
one of the first people who was hollering about it in france is likely a quack for other reasons, so that kind of confused the argument
― mh, Monday, 30 March 2020 22:21 (four years ago) link
well, that and Trump was yelling about it, too
― gbx, Monday, 30 March 2020 22:23 (four years ago) link
My cousin was diagnosed with lupus recently ☹️
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 30 March 2020 22:24 (four years ago) link
it certainly would be nice to have a treatment option besides comfort care or ventilators.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 30 March 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link
There’s a lot of trials going on round the world. (Australia is trialing Chloroquine, plus test on retrovirals etc.)
I think they don’t like to shout too loud about them because these drugs are often toxic and people start hoarding them. Especially doctors it seems, stock of chloroquine are low in Australia because as soon as it became known that this was one possible avenue for a treatment doctors started self prescribing it.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 30 March 2020 22:34 (four years ago) link
re: vaccination, Israeli press has been reporting a company in Israel would have one ready for testing within weeks. This doesn't seem to be getting much attention.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-coronavirus-vaccine-israel-biological-research-institute-develope-1.8665074
― akm, Monday, 30 March 2020 22:51 (four years ago) link
not getting much attention because there have been numerous claims like that in the last few weeks. we're all rooting for all of them to work, and afaict none of them will be ready for the public until june
― Karl Malone, Monday, 30 March 2020 22:55 (four years ago) link
*june at the earliest
*hope i'm wrong
As soon as June? I thought it was early 2021 at best
― stet, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:01 (four years ago) link
I love vaccines but man I would not be enthusiastic about any vaccine offered in June 2020
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:06 (four years ago) link
D'OH
i thought akm's post was about a cheap, widely available test (like on the $1 level, with quick test turnaround times). now i see it's about a vaccine. sorry akm!
― Karl Malone, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:10 (four years ago) link
Yeah the problem with a vaccine is that you really need to test it properly by monitoring test subjects for a good few months or else you're potentially endangering the health of millions (billions?) of people. Who's going to risk taking an experimental vaccine when the disease itself only kills 1% of people? Maybe if you're in a super high risk group, but even then would seem like a bit of a weird choice.An experimental treatment when you're already in critical condition? That's a diffrerent matter.
― Alba, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:15 (four years ago) link
yeah I'm not sure.
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientists-in-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101
This indicates they should have it approved in 90 days. Is this a reputable news outlet? I dunno. Haaretz is though, more or less.
― akm, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:35 (four years ago) link
90 days would be exceedingly fast for any drug. It might be 90 days to first human trials. and even if they look at mass production in parallel there's still lot of work to get it out there. Even if it is safe you need to have people hang around for a while to understand how long immunity lasts for. There's no real way of accelerating that. Although if there is even immunity for a month or two that can be renewed with another dose that is at least something that would be very useful for people working in healthcare for a start.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:39 (four years ago) link
And now WHO is doubling down on 'no masks if you aren't sick'
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-recommendation-trnd/index.html
― akm, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:49 (four years ago) link
I suspect that is a calculation based on availability of masks, they will have modelled this - it is much worse if healthcare professionals and verifiably sick people don't have masks so where there is a mask shortage you don't want to be recommending well people use masks and deprive those who need them more - as we have seen time and time again the human animal is a selfish arsehole on average. You don't want the marginal benefit of fewer well people getting sick fro other asymptomatic people is symptomatic people are infecting many red people or doctors and nurses are getting knocked out.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:54 (four years ago) link
When this is all done I'll be interested to see what the real effect of masks are. Societies than mask up on the regular and therefore have a lot of masks around and/or ramped up production and use quickly (Japan, Taiwan, Korea even China) seem to be doing better. Although Japan is seriously behind on testing so I assume has a big hidden problem.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:57 (four years ago) link
My wife has been sewing masks and my doc recommended using a bandana. It definitely doesn't make anything worse so I would do it.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:58 (four years ago) link
The WHO has been kind of fucking things up lately though it seems.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 01:17 (four years ago) link
I see the CDC may start recommending face coverings for people going out in public.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 01:21 (four years ago) link
Also, I seriously don't know what the deal is with what is going on with the WHO right now. I haven't been paying that much attention to them but they seem really problematic.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 01:28 (four years ago) link
A number of coronavirus-related commercials (not PSAs) during Better Call Saul tonight, almost every one for a company promising to defer or help with payments due. Hope they were all as altruistic as they sounded.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 02:15 (four years ago) link
Not making a Keith Moon joke rn
― I met a strange baby, she made me nervous (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 02:20 (four years ago) link
newsreader pronounced it that way last week and now isnt the time but if we both make it through this im making it my business she never gets another job in this town
― ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 02:23 (four years ago) link
A possible peak into our dystopian future where we have to show our infections status passes.
https://www.techinasia.com/phones-qr-indispensable-beijing
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 03:23 (four years ago) link
The US government and various state governments within the US are not even close to being that organized for creating the kind of system described in that article. We US citizens shall be as free as sewer rats to scurry about and mingle as we please for quite a while yet.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 03:31 (four years ago) link
the mask guidance has pissed me off because many of us repeated the "don't wear a mask unless you're sick" edict to our family and friends, and now health experts are realizing "hey if so many asymptomatic people are sick, why don't we have most people wear masks so they don't pass it on".
even my old friend, who is a doctor, shared a private article from one of the internal medical zines that her and other doctors subscribe to, and said "I was wrong in telling people not to wear masks".
I'm starting to feel less confident in sharing any advice now
― narcissistic sleighride (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 03:35 (four years ago) link
My wife and I have isolated ourselves so effectively over the past five weeks that I am 98% certain we are not infected and are incapable of passing the virus along to others. But I would definitely wear a mask if I were advised that it would reduce my chances of becoming infected.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 03:41 (four years ago) link
On NPR heard 2 segments of q and a with infectious disease experts, 1 national on All Things Considered and 1 local. They both still advising against wearing masks. National lady: it gives you a false sense of security, and many ppl do not wear them correctly. Wtf??? That's like saying hey don't wear a Kevlar vest in a war zone cause gives you false sense of security and you may put it on wrong. Local guy said don't wear them cause may cause those who truly need them to not have access. Which obv at least makes sense.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 04:10 (four years ago) link
gives you a false sense of security
I'd say my powerful sense of insecurity is sufficiently strong to override any possible false sense of security that might arise from wearing a mask.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 04:17 (four years ago) link
Asymptotic transmission. One wears a mask to be courteous/careful/polite to, and for others.
The presentation of mask wearers as paranoid nutters will soon end. In its place, will be an understanding that those who are wearing masks are trying in their way to not spread COVID-19, and despite social derision are small heroes of the current situation.
I still have 2 flat-pack (and unfitted) N95s (others given to more vulnerable in my circle). For the purpose of limiting aerosols transmission to others, a bandana folded over a piece of paper towel seems almost as useful.
And honestly, I'd look way better with a bandana mask than the white fish fin affixed to my face at the market.
― Sanpaku, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 04:22 (four years ago) link
But... hospitals and doctors are still desperately short on masks? Maybe this'll change within the next two weeks but it still looks pretty grim out there
― Nhex, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 04:25 (four years ago) link