Article Response: Spiders vs Insects

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Arachnophobes look away.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 20 September 2002 15:24 (twenty-three years ago)

So far so great, but why is the title in the browser bar "Carter USM"?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 September 2002 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh dear because I fucked up on the title and meta tags probably

Tom (Groke), Friday, 20 September 2002 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, leave it, Pete did write it. ;-)

Needless to say, fantastic, hurrah for Mr. Baran! I don't think I've ever read something specifically on spiders and horror films, and what's even better is how well it's written. Earth Vs. the Spider is a great minor example of the 50s monster film -- professionally made, but not really relying on anything other than the spider's size to cause fear (as opposed to 'ew, creepy and alien and NOT HUMAN!'). Still, the use of the real spider (like Pete mentioned) causes some bemusingly furry moments in close-up.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 September 2002 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)

tom. me?

pete. good.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 20 September 2002 16:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Good fun!

One other point about the cube law is that weight obviously increases with volume (cube) while strength of limb increases with cross-section (square) => legs of giant versions of anything will snap.

You don't know serious arachnophobes: I was worried for my ex-wife when I saw the billboards for 8LF (especially one on Gower Street with a big model spider climbing over it) because she would, I guarantee, scream and completely lose control of the car if she saw such when driving. She shakes for minutes on seeing a small picture of a normal spider.

You ignore the one possibly great film in either genre (if you insist they are separate genres): the mighty Saul Bass's Phase IV (ants, not giant).

You don't mention giant rabbits, as in Night Of The Lepus. Similar, surely? Though I guess few people cuddle (non-giant) spiders and insects.

I think you should do something else with the footnotes, Tom - either with hyperlinks and anchors, or better still make them rollover popups, like on my favourite history site. This is the perfect way of doing web footnotes, I think.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 20 September 2002 17:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Martin rabbits are not insects!

Anthony "next-but-one" I said i.e. next. The person who deserves apology is David H - just didn't have time to format your stuff :(

Tom (Groke), Friday, 20 September 2002 22:27 (twenty-three years ago)

ok next but one, can you translate that to dates for me, i dont want to be an asshole.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 20 September 2002 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Spiders aren't insects either! I realise they may be slightly more similar and closely related to insects than rabbits are to either, I just don't like an article to talk about giant mutant animals without mentioning the weakest possible example, a film that asks us to be scared by giant bunnies. No one has yet tried giant kittens, except possibly Alan, but even that would be scarier than bunny wabbits.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 20 September 2002 23:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Ideally next weekend Anthony.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 20 September 2002 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Martin, do you watch Buffy?

RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 20 September 2002 23:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I watch Buffy very faithfully. If there has been an episode with giant bunnies and kittens, I am devastated to say that I have missed it.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 20 September 2002 23:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Just wondering if the bunny mention had anything to do with Anya.

RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 20 September 2002 23:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, I had forgotten - she found them sinister, or something. No, nothing to do with that, I just always thought that movie was astoundingly ill-conceived.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 21 September 2002 09:43 (twenty-three years ago)

This morning I woke up and watched a spider spin a web in the corner of my window. There were a couple of mouches buzzing about there too; the spider hustled around industriously setting up rakes that the flies uniformly failed to step on. I was pulling for the spider all the way. I fell asleep again.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 21 September 2002 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Phase IV - I even had notes on that (very good comparison with Kingdom Of The Spiders where some sort of ant collective unconscious springs up). Still it is an article about Giant Spiders...

Pete (Pete), Sunday, 22 September 2002 12:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, moaning that an article on giant spiders doesn't talk about normal-sized ants or giant bunnies may be seen as a little unreasonable, it's true. My next step was to complain that you don't mention The Seven Samurai at all, but that might be a further step or two away, I suppose...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 22 September 2002 13:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Starship Troopers resembles Eight Legged Freaks most in the scenes of fighting - Verhoven's bugs were wholly computer generated as were the spiders.

For pedantry's sake - this bit about Verhoeven's bugs may not be *strictly* true, as a friend of mine once used what was supposedly a authentic 'Troopers' giant bug leg in his house as a Halloween party prop.

p.s. spiders are icky

Kim (Kim), Monday, 23 September 2002 00:04 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe one of the bug legs used to impale a trooper

boxcubed (boxcubed), Monday, 23 September 2002 00:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Pete -
What about The Incredible Shrinking Man? I think this (slightly) messes up your (otherwise very solid) thesis.

Martin-
No one has yet tried giant kittens, except possibly Alan
...and The Goodies!

Agree with you about the footnotes. I didn't bother with any after the first one.

Jeff W (Jeff W), Monday, 23 September 2002 07:09 (twenty-three years ago)

The Goodies of course did a giant kitten o'course. Even Eight Legged Freaks used non-computter generated spider limbs in explosion, prop style situations (in STarship troopers bugs legs are handled and impaled in plenty of places).

Jeff W - what about the Incredible Shrinking man? (Its the cat which is menacing in that, right? I suppose anopther Giant Cat creature. I can do a follow up).

Re the footnotes. They are bad form in general and merely the sign of a disorganised mind who couldn't adequately fit the points in I wanted to make.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 23 September 2002 08:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Spiders are not insects,
but in a war they'd probably side with the insects.
Traitors, traitors, spider traitors,
They will take us and they'll make us
Human slaves in an Insect Nation.
Whoa oo oo oo.

yeah for bill bailey.

angela (angela), Monday, 23 September 2002 08:24 (twenty-three years ago)

footnotes = wardrobe-style portals into books you have not yet written

unfortunately they let loose spectres abroad across the multiverse, who eat men's souls

mark s (mark s), Monday, 23 September 2002 08:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Er, there may or may not have been a cat in 'Incredible Shrinking Man' but there sure as hell was a spider! Classick scene.

Jeff W (Jeff W), Monday, 23 September 2002 09:14 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.dacre.org/stills/webhor/Wil3186.jpg

Jeff W (Jeff W), Monday, 23 September 2002 09:17 (twenty-three years ago)

b-but that's a cat in a rubber spidersuit!!

mark s (mark s), Monday, 23 September 2002 09:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I discounted this in my mind because I got it confused with The Fly (Help me!!!) - thinking about it the cat bit might be The Incredible Shrinking Woman.

Land of the giANTS.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 23 September 2002 11:13 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
eight-legged freaks = gremlins w/o the comedy timing

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 3 November 2002 00:55 (twenty-three years ago)


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