― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:28 (five years ago) Permalink
ok I'm never opening this thread again
― sug sug sputnik (seandalai), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:29 (five years ago) Permalink
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:29 (five years ago) Permalink
He would do well in a hunter-gatherer-type of society.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:29 (five years ago) Permalink
Nah. He'd lose muscle mass like crazy in a hunter-gatherer society, cuz hunting is only a marginal source of protein and calories in such societies.
― Aimless, Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:31 (five years ago) Permalink
Plus if he tried to run he'd just tip over.
― Gary Mayonnaise (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:53 (five years ago) Permalink
all his gym equipment would just be rocks
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:54 (five years ago) Permalink
karl malone to thread
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:01 (five years ago) Permalink
― buzza, Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:18 (five years ago) Permalink
The navel on that guy is ugly as sin.
― Aimless, Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:22 (five years ago) Permalink
Never done this, but I think it would be... relaxing? Does that make sense? De-stressing, anyway.
Is it supposed to be combined with cardio in particular ways?
Could I do it at home without practicing with a trainer at a gym first, or would that inevitably lead to screwing up?
― ljubljana, Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:28 (five years ago) Permalink
is this any weight lifting or only free weights, olympic lifts?
― 乒乓, Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:31 (five years ago) Permalink
it's just getting sw0le
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:33 (five years ago) Permalink
kk *getting sw0le*
― 乒乓, Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:35 (five years ago) Permalink
i got this book called the new rules of lifting for women and i finished stage 1 but instead of moving on i decided to keep working on basic things and doing things i want to do. i did it at the gym. i think there are limited things you can do at home but not all of it. ljub aren't you in school? you have a gym! it's best to have access to barbell and heavy dumbbells. it is very de-stressing. you don't have to do cardio. it's like how you are supposed to feel after yoga but not bored. i did not use a trainer. it only felt awkward for a few times then i started to not give a shit about looking dumb. my gym is all gays anyway. i watched some youtubes about how to do stuff.
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:38 (five years ago) Permalink
um what's the difference betweengetting sw0le and getting swOle? and which one is easier to accomplish if I'm not the bodybuilding type? swole with an O sounds like it might be more work.
― and yet (unregistered), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:38 (five years ago) Permalink
one is on i rate everything, one is for a general audience
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:41 (five years ago) Permalink
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:48 (five years ago) Permalink
xp yeah, I'm in school, but the gym is kind of far and I'm too stressed out to make it a priority to get there. Home I might actually do. 'Like yoga without the bored' is exactly what I'm after.
― ljubljana, Thursday, 25 October 2012 03:05 (five years ago) Permalink
frank yang appreciation the2ad
― dylannn, Thursday, 25 October 2012 03:38 (five years ago) Permalink
― (╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Thursday, 25 October 2012 05:06 (five years ago) Permalink
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 11:35 (five years ago) Permalink
Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength Routine:
*note the dip/chin isnt in the original program
Here is a routine from Mark Rippetoe’s book called “Starting Strength”. You can buy the book at www.startingstrength.com. It includes endless useful info that all beginners should learn. But as for the program he suggests, his clients that he gives it to on AVERAGE gain 30-40 pounds in about 6 months or so which is amazing gains.
The program is as follows:
You alternate Workout A and Workout B every other day, 3 times a week. So you could either do Mon, Wed, Fri or Tues, Thurs. and Sat. Depending on what works best for you.
Monday - Workout AWednesday -Workout BFriday - Workout A
Monday - Workout BWednesday - Workout AFriday - Workout B
For the actual workouts read below:
Note: This doesn’t include warm-up sets
**Means this is OPTIONAL**
Workout A 3x5 Squat3x5 Bench Press1x5 Deadlift**2x8 Dips (if you cant do these or no assist machine then do Decline Dumbbell Bench Press with your hands Facing each other)
Workout B3x5 Squat3x5 Standing military press3x5 Pendlay or Bent Rows (or power cleans)**2x8 Chin-ups (recommended mainly if doing the cleans)
Most people cant get it through there head that compound lifts also work your arms Plenty and always Insist on direct arm work. As quoted by Madcow2, “Don't **** with this. Every bodybuilder seems to have Attention Deficit Disorder and an overwhelming desire to customize everything.” If you are one of these people note that you have the option of doing the dips and chins which give PLENTY of arm work. Abdominal work is fine to do also if needed.
I recommend weighted decline sit-ups and/or Hanging Leg Raises at 2x8-10.
As for the weight, make sure that you use the SAME weight throughout the sets. For example if I do the first set if Squats with 200lbs then I do the other 2 sets of squats with 200lbs.
Every week make it a goal to increase each of your lifts by 2.5%. Meaning if I lifted 100lbs for my Bench Week 1 then Week 2 I would try for 102.5lbs. If I did 200lb Squats Week 1 I would try for 205lbs in Week 2. Sometimes you will be able to do more but don’t mess with your form just to lift more.
Before all your working sets it is best to do a few warm-up sets. Specifically for your first lift. You don’t have to do the whole thing for the other lifts but definitely the first.
What you do is you ramp your weight up to your working sets.
2x5xbar (sets x reps x weight)1x5x851x3x1251x2x155
And the working set weight would be 175.
If you are lifting your working sets under 150 I would cut out the 3rd warmup set of 1x5 because it wont be needed.
**Used references and quotes from Madcow2 and Bodybuilding.com**
Barbell Squat: These should be full range Olympic style squats. Use the full range of your body - that means as low as you can go which for almost everyone is past parallel. If the top of your thighs aren't at least parallel it's for sh!t. If you think this is bad for your knees going low, you and whoever told you that are relying on an old wives tale. Anyone who knows the human body will tell you that below parallel is MUCH safer on the knees whereas parallel and above put all the sheer right on them and doesn’t allow proper transfer of the load to the rest of your body (this is how your body was designed).
Rest a barbell on the upper portion of your back, not your neck. Firmly grip the bar with your hands almost twice your shoulder width apart. Position your feet about shoulder width apart and your toes should be pointing just a little outward with your knees in the same direction. Keep your back as straight as possible and your chin up, bend your knees and slowly lower your hips straight down until your THIGHS ARE AT LEAST PARALLEL TO THE FLOOR. Once you reach the bottom position, press the weight up back to the starting position.
To be honest ATG (Ass to the Grass) squats work the best IMO. What you do is you go ALL the way down until your hamstrings touch your calves and keep the same Olympic squat form.
Barbell Deadlift: Each rep is deweighted fully on the floor. No touch and go. This is called the 'dead'lift because the weight is 'dead' on the ground. You can touch and go warm ups but that's it.
This is a very complicated exercise so here is bodybuilding.com’s detailed instructions on this lift.
Flat Barbell Bench Press: Lie on a flat bench and firmly position your feet flat on the floor a little more than shoulder width apart. Keep your back flat on the bench! Using a grip broader than shoulder width, hold the barbell above your body, then lower slowly to the middle of your chest. Without bouncing the weight off your chest, drive the barbell up over the middle of your chest until your arms are straight and your elbows are locked. Lower the bar down slowly.
Standing Barbell Military Press: Standing overhead presses. Supporting weight overhead is a fundamental exercise and stimulates the whole body.Raise barbell to your chest with your hands shoulder width apart. Lock your legs and hips. Keep your elbows in, slightly under your bar. Press bar to arm's length overhead. Lower to your upper chest or chin (depending on what is comfortable).
Bent Barbell Row: Raise barbell to your chest with your hands shoulder width apart. Lock your legs and hips. Keep your elbows in, slightly under your bar. Press bar to arm's length overhead. Lower to your upper chest or chin (depending on what is comfortable).
Chin-Up: Hold the chin-up bar with a supinated grip (palms facing you) with your hands about 6 to 8 inches apart. Pull yourself up and try to touch either your chin or upper chest to the bar. Return slowly to the starting position. Do NOT swing back and forth! Using this grip works more of your biceps than your back or lats.
Dip: Using the parallel bars, grip the handles and push yourself up to your starting position. With elbows close to body and hips straight, lower body until shoulders are slightly stretched. Push body up in same posture and repeat. You can bend and cross your legs or keep them straight.
If you are bulking, which is what people usually do on this program, you need to be eating like there is no tomorrow. 3000-4000 calories a day. Make sure you get 1 to 2 x your bodyweight in protein (in grams) and more than that in carbs. Mark Rippetoe also suggests that you drink up to a gallon of milk a day and plenty of water.
Your bulk could be clean but its hard to do so. I suggest just going all out and getting any protein you can get your hands on. For example lean grilled chicken and egg whites is best but if you want to gain that muscle fast then ground beef, steaks, whole eggs, cheeses etc is great. Eat a lot of oats, pasta, wheat bread, yogurt, cottage cheese, tuna, etc.
Make sure you get a huge breakfast. Mark recommends 4 huge meals a day with breakfast being the largest. Make sure all your meals have plenty of both carbs and protein! Also look into getting a PWO shake for post workout to get some carbs DIRECTLY into your system when your done lifting. Then an hour later eat a meal. Its also good to eat a snack before bed. Just remember to get big you need to eat big because eating is 90% of your muscle gains.
Quote:1. What are ATG Squats?ATG is short of Ass To Grass. It means a full squat. Go as low as you can go.Squat depth is extremely important and makes a huge difference in your development. Going deeper is more uncomfortable and difficult, but by far more beneficial. Not only does greater depth require greater muscle fiber recruitment, which means greater overall training benefits, but the degree of squat depth strongly influences the loading of the different hip and torso extensor muscles and stabilizers.[kethnaab]Hamstring flexibility and structure will ultimately decide how low you can go without your lower back rounding under (which is VERY bad bad bad). Each person's structure will differ, so what is "ATG" to one may not be ATG to another. Ultimately, you cannot control your structure, but you CAN control your flexibility, so ensure adequate hamstring flexibility to maximize benefits, range of motion, and safety.
2. I've got large legs already. Do I really need to squat?Yes. You need to squat. Squating will stimulate growth in the whole body given that the leg muscles are so big. If you take the squats out, then this isn't Starting Strength anymore. Still not convinced? Read this
3. I work out at home. I don't have a squat rack. How can I do this routine?You need to be able to squat. This is the single most important thing in the program. Get a part time job to make enough to buy a squat/power rack or gym membership. Without someplace to squat you absolutely cannot do this program.
There is also an alternative if you've already got a bench. Did you consider grabbing the barbell from the back of your bench? You may need to re-arrange your home gym, but you may well be able to squat from behind your bench setup.
4. Do I need a belt?No. You shouldn't need a belt. A belt will take away from the natural 'core' belt that we're all equiped with. If you wear a belt, you'll become more reliant on this and your core muscles will not get a workout.
Later in your training, you may need to use a belt, but for now, part of "Starting Strength" includes "Starting your Core Strength" to prepare you for your further training.
5. I know this is mainly for building strength and mass. Can I do it while I cut?[kethnaab]Newcomers can frequently add muscle so rapidly that, with a clean diet, they will lose bodyfat as if they were cutting. Also note, cutting typically involves an abundance of cardio, which will be VERY detrimental to gains. Younger fellows especially will probably be able to get away with zero cardio while on this program, and will notice a substantial fat loss.
[Ripstone]Cutting is more about changing your nutrition plan, not your lifting routine. One is going to find it very difficult(if not near impossible) to gain size on a cut, however strength gains on a cut can(and should) occur. In order to gain size you need to a) eat a caloirc surplus, which during a cut one is obviously not doing b) progess in the weight you use, which "Starting Strength" will take care of.
In order to gain strength you need to:a) progress in the weight you use, which again "Starting Strength" should accomplish. b) become more neurually efficent c) obviously progress in the weight you use.
However, you DO NOT need to eat a caloric surplus to gain strength, it just makes it easier to gain strength if you do eat at a calories surplus, but again you DO NOT need to do so.
6. My arms are small, and there isn't any direct work for the arms. Can I add in some curls?Your arms will still get worked through every day through the Bent Over rows (or PowerCleans) and with pressing and pulling motions.
Do NOT add any arm work for AT LEAST the first 2-3 weeks. At this point in time, you can add in dips and chins on alternating workouts, 2 sets of 8 reps (Add weight if needed).As your workload increases, you can add a 3rd set and more weight to keep your repetitions at 5 reps per setNote: According to the book Starting Strength, this additional work is not included.
7. It seems like I'd have this all done within 10 minutes of walking into the gym. Is that all there is to this program?Yes. That's it, but you need to take into account that there are warm up sets. Overall, this workout should take you around 45 mins to complete, which is ample for a workout.The amount of time you spend lifting really doesn't matter all that much. All the matters is if you are progressing in the weight you use as often as possible(ie; adding weight to the bar, which is the goal of "Starting Strength").
8. I keep hearing different opinions of how to progress. Do I need to increase EVERY workout?That's right. The intention is that you start light. You should be able to add 2.5% of each lift every workout. However, if you feel it was heavy for you then do the same weight next time. It's recommended that you do this only to a maximum of 3 workouts in succession. If you're still having trouble, then you'll need to reset for this weight.
[kethnaab]Keep in mind that adding repetitions is also progress. If you try 100 lbs and get 5, 5, and 3 repetitions on your 3 sets, then next workout, you try 100 again. As long as you get 5, 5, and 4 (or 5), then you are progressing. Adding weight to the squat on a weekly basis is a must, however. There should be no reason to go 2 consecutive weeks using the same weight.
9. Why is there only 1 set of 5 for deadlift? Surely that's wrongNo. Again, these are the working sets and don't include warm ups. Deadlifts are a very intense exercise for the body, and is ample in conjuction with the squats being done.Trust the program as it is. Mark Rippetoe has the knowledge to create it. Have faith and trust that it will work for you.
10. What is a good rest interval?As for the rest interval, Rippetoe suggests 1-2 minutes for the worksets, with no rest needed for warmups You can take up to 3 minutes for the heavy sets, depending on how you feel.
11. I think I hurt myself doing the squats. The bone at the top of my neck is sore[kethnaab]
1) Use the closest grip on the bar you can use comfortably. This forces your upper back, delts and traps to tighten up and support the bar better.
2) Make sure your elbows are BEHIND the bar, not underneath the bar. This takes strain off your wrists and helps ensure your delts, traps and upper back muscles are flexing nice and tight during the squat.
3) Do NOT NOT NOT look up! This is ridiculous! This forces your upper body to lean forward slightly as it will naturally put the bar off center. Just look forward, i.e. neck in a "neural" position. If you were to stick a grapefruit underneath your chin and hold it there for the duration of the squat, your upper back and neck would maintain proper alignment. You'd also look liike a jackass, but that's beside the point.
12. What angle rows are we talking about here, is 45 degress ok that is what I usually do with bent over rows.[kethnaab] ideally, rows will be done with your body parallel to the floor. Go here and wade through to the bottom where I describe (and post a nifty pic) of how to do the row properly (known as "Pendlay rows" or "JS Rows"
13. So, if i do the Rippetoe's program, and eat a lot of protein and all those calories, wouldn't I get fat, instead of gain muscle? all those calories kind of a lot.As commonly seen, "Lifting builds strength, eating builds muscle". If you ate all those calories while you sat on the couch and didn't lift weights, then yes. However, given the workload of this program it will assist with building muscle
Age and, of course, metabolic rate, play a role. Typically, a skinny teenager will be able to eat anything and everything he sees, as long as he is lifting with this program. The eating will fully support the training. Chubby teens or older people will obviously need to cut back a bit on the caloric info, and as mentioned earlier in the cutting question, a clean-eating trainee can gain a significant amount of strength and muscle mass while burning bodyfat, and cardio won't necessarily be required.
14. How long do I do this program?You continue doing it until you stop progressing.
15. I know my 5RM for each of the exercises. Do I just start with that?No. It's intended that you start light, and that you shouldn't even KNOW your 5RM. If you do, then you can safely start with 70% of your 5RM, and start progressing from there. Yes. It will seem light, but you'll be lifting your 5RM (and more) before long as you're adding every workout
16. I'm not in the US. How can I buy the book?You can try www.amazon.com. I'm in Australia (Short One), and I've been informed and seen that the cost to Australia isn't too bad. 11.98USD (as of 20-Jun-2006) for one book. Cheaper if you buy more than 1 book
18. Is doing cardio ok with this program?It's fine to do moderate cardio with this program.Note: Beginners will build enough muscle with a clean diet that that fat will be burnt with minimal to no cardio.
19. I see lots of people saying PR!!! what does PR stand for?Personal Record.
20. Is taking creatine and an NO ok with this routine? such as cellmass and NO-xplode?It's fine but it likely won't make much difference. The most important thing is to be eating a lot of quality nutritious food. Diet is the big factor, supplements are a very small factor and not at all necessary.
21. Is it ok if I do militaries seated?. I have a low ceiling and I'll punch a hole in the ceiling if I do.It is recommended that you do them standing up as it will give your core a workout as well stablizing.However, if doing them outside/elsewhere is not an option then doing them seated is better than not doing them at all. If you have to do them seated be mindfull of your form so that you don't turn it into an incline press
22. Do I have to do the workouts on Mon, Wed, Fri?The requirement is 3 nonconsecutive days each week. The exact days are up to you.You don't have to do it on Mon, Wed, Fri. You can do Tue, Thu, Sat, as long as you're having at LEAST 1 day rest between each workout. If you can't manage this, then the program is not right for you at this point in time.
23. My calves are lagging. What exercise can I do to bring them up?If you're not already doing the Power Cleans with this routine, you may wish to consider doing them, as doing PowerCleans properly encourages the use of the calvesSquats will work your calves too, and as all pro is quick to point out. "Have you ever seen a powerlifter with small calves?"I started the program this week, and am looking forward to the strength gains that are bound to come.
A couple of things I've learned sofar:
Warmups:It's always a good idea to do a warmup that closely resembles what you're about to do for the main part of your workout session. In this case, the strength session, we want to start off with bodyweight or lightweight excercises that mimick the excercises that are about to come, and work up to our 50-90% max. This is not set in stone, if you want to do burpees, pullups and squat-jumps as your warmup feel free to do so.
Most people however, including BlessedSamurai (to name a familiar name ) and other strength and conditioning coaches, do something similar this:
1x8 Bar1x6 50%1x4 70%1x2 90%3x5 100% (Work Set)
Rest periods:Keep the rest periods between 60-120 seconds, you can get away with 60 seconds or less when the weights are still light. As the weight increases you might want to add to the rest times aswell. I'm with Chad Waterbury on this when he says keep the rest periods low for strength and muscle gains.
Quote:Originally Posted by Chad WaterburyI define short rest periods as any time less than two minutes between sets. The antiquated 3-5 minute rest periods recommended in every ****** newsstand muscle mag made me incredulous. As it turned out, my instincts were right on target.
My empirical evidence has shown that short rest periods will lead to a great hypertrophy response. In other words, five sets of ten reps with 60 second rest periods will induce more hypertrophy than five sets of ten reps with three minute rest periods. An even better option is to utilize short rest periods with low-rep (1-5 repetition) training parameters. This is precisely what 50% of my ABBH program is based on.
If you keep the rest periods short, you’ll stay more focused. In addition, you’ll keep the nervous system revved up, and you’ll get out of the gym quicker. For certain trainees who only seek maximal strength increases, shorter rest periods are still possible by alternating between opposing muscle groups (antagonist training).
Bottom line: If you seek hypertrophy, keep your rest periods under two minutes. It’s preferable to utilize a 60-90 second range when training more than six sets at a load greater than 80% of your 1RM.Extra excercises: (Accessory Work)Again, the accessory work isn't set in stone, but it's a good bet to add chins and dips with a set/rep range that you're comfortable with. I'm using 3x3 for pullups and adding 1 rep every week, I'm also doing GTG for pullups on a daily basis so I kept the workload low.
The program calls for either Rows or Snatches, you might want to do both, so here's what another forum member did:Quote:Originally Posted by Tad_TWorkout 1
Core liftsSquats = warmup then 3 x 5Bench = warmup then 3 x 5Deadlift = warmup then 1 x 5
Accessory WorkDips = 3 setsPendlay rows = warmup then 3 x 5Abs = 3 sets
Core liftsSquats = warmup then 3 x 5Overhead press = warmup then 3 x 5Power clean = warmup then 3 x 5
Accessory workPullups = 3 setsAbs = 3 sets
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 13:12 (five years ago) Permalink
What's going on itt?
I'm kinda swole and looking for a community.
― (*・_・)ノ⌒ ☆ (Je55e), Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:30 (five years ago) Permalink
it's about lifting heavy shit
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:37 (five years ago) Permalink
do your squats and deadlifts yo
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:39 (five years ago) Permalink
i do something pretty much like what carne asada posted there
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:40 (five years ago) Permalink
i drink a lot of whole milk but that "gallon a day" business is crazy
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:41 (five years ago) Permalink
i hit a PR last week! overhead press 100lb 3x5
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:42 (five years ago) Permalink
did 2x2x2x2x2 of heavy box squats yesterday
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:43 (five years ago) Permalink
Milo z. to thread he knows what's up
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:46 (five years ago) Permalink
if you get annoyed by old dudes with wack form and young dudes doing curls, this thread is for you
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:48 (five years ago) Permalink
if you get annoyed by people who don't squat past horizontal and put that foam roller thing on the bar, this thread is for you
― caek, Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:24 (five years ago) Permalink
my squat is good, my overhead press is feeble.
― caek, Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:25 (five years ago) Permalink
also my row form is pretty awful (via hilarious flexibility)
strict OHP always makes me feel so weak because i want to dip at the knees and get a little jump in.
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:31 (five years ago) Permalink
about 6 months ago i could not even do an air squat to depth without falling over but my squat is pretty good now
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:34 (five years ago) Permalink
are u guys gonna beat someone up
― (╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:36 (five years ago) Permalink
too old to get swole, but I support this thread
watch that lower back position, y'all
― Brad C., Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:47 (five years ago) Permalink
i am not getting sw0le, but i am getting fat. maybe i can get fat and sw0le.
― toto coolio (clouds), Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:51 (five years ago) Permalink
Yes im always super deliberate on my lifts for fear of messing up my back xp
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:13 (five years ago) Permalink
I'm just lurking here bc I'm somewhat interested, though I can barely lift my groceries
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:16 (five years ago) Permalink
also bc cheering on harbl :)
i knew i'd hit some kind of beginner threshold for sw0leness when i found myself enjoying mark rippetoe youtubes for an hour at a time
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:25 (five years ago) Permalink
― caek, Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:36 (five years ago) Permalink
I recently hired a personal trainer on a contract for a tremendous number of sessions to ensure my commitment to working out, and despite certain small wrenches in the works, it's starting off nicely and making me feel good about the mid-term future of my physical and mental health. Last time I had a trainer I was only half-assing it (drinking tons (not drinking at all now) skipping sessions, not really 100% in the game) but the cosmetic results still blew me away. That's not what I'm in it for, and body definition is gravy that will make the other benefits extra good.
― (*・_・)ノ⌒ ☆ (Je55e), Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:56 (five years ago) Permalink
honestly part of the mental game with this for me was finally admitting to myself that yes, a strong minority motivation was 'cosmetic'
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 18:01 (five years ago) Permalink
goole congrats on being sw0le :)
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 25 October 2012 18:02 (five years ago) Permalink
oh man i'm nowhere near my sw0le g0ls
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 18:04 (five years ago) Permalink
learning to do olympic/power lifts *correctly* (or so i hope) in the past year or so has been really mind-blowing. sort of a light turning on: "so THIS is what it's supposed to feel like." I actually enjoy squatting, dead-lifting, and all that now. and i pretty much gave up any exercise that doesn't work at least a few muscle groups at a time.
i go to the gym every 4th day (doing yoga on the 3 days in between) and try to pack in the protein and i've never felt better in my life.
― ryan, Thursday, 25 October 2012 18:04 (five years ago) Permalink
feel like yoga and lifting are similar where the entry level understanding is getting the form right but then a more intermediate level is how to actually engage yr muscles within that form
― sprout god (lag∞n), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 15:38 (one month ago) Permalink
I have definitely told people more than once "lifting is a lot more like yoga than you would expect" because so much of it is about form, breathing, concentration and engagement of your muscles in a specific way
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 17:29 (one month ago) Permalink
Also I have found through trial and error that taking a meditative approach is more effective than trying to get aggro/hyped up
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 17:30 (one month ago) Permalink
I've been back at the gym for 2-3 months at this point and have been v disciplined abt being consistent and not making excuses to skip days, and proactively rescheduling gym days on nights I wanna do stuff. My weight is the same, which I expected more or less, but I def feel like parts of my body are getting meatier. It also feels really good to do things with ease that I could barely complete 2 months ago with 5-10 lbs less weight. It's still laughably small stuff (like, I'm benching 85, shoulder pressing 30, deadlifting 85) but it feels cool to notice improvements and I'm also happy that after doing this for several years I've become confident in what I do and no longer insecure abt, like, "will ppl notice i'm doing this incorrectly or with too little weight"
I think my goal next is going to be being much more mindful abt my diet, like eating more nutritious things, maybe tracking calories and protein instead of just winging it with making a vague effort to eat more meat and having a 25g protein shake after each workout
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:19 (one month ago) Permalink
Fwiw I never ever judge anyone for using low weight bc everyone starts low. I do sometimes judge people for form just because either they are not getting benefit from the way they are doing it or they are risking injury.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:27 (one month ago) Permalink
I think low weights are pretty acceptable now too because of some people being into high reps/low weights and also who gives a shit ( no one knows your life). I like during my boot camp type of classes that almost every swole dude having to drop their weights in the middle of an interval because they just can't finish.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:40 (one month ago) Permalink
Keep going Stevie! I'm also a guy starting with relatively little muscle, but I've been working very steadily the past few months and noticing the changes.
― how's life, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:52 (one month ago) Permalink
Also you never know if someone is working up to a higher weight. I had a weirdo get snobby working in with me on bench press because I was only at like tens on each side. But that was my warmup and I was doing a gradual ramp. My last set was more than his (in spite of him having prettier and more defined muscles), and he was doing like half range of motion.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:54 (one month ago) Permalink
the absolute number of weight doesnt matter just as long as its heavy to you, then lift it with perfect form, also if you want to gain weight the easiest way is to eat a bunch of pizza and ice cream unfortunately, or so ive heard ive never been in the position to want to gain weight, tho i have eaten a lot of pizza and ice cream and can attest to its efficacy
― sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:57 (one month ago) Permalink
I am in that supposedly lucky category of an easier gainer who doesn't even need to eat a bunch of pizza and ice cream. The downside of that shows in my belly.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:58 (one month ago) Permalink
i feel like over all people focus on things like weight and reps when they cld be focusing on having perfect form
― sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:01 (one month ago) Permalink
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:16 (one month ago) Permalink
That's a little why it's really good to take sculpting/boot types of classes at the gym (if offered). The instructor will constantly be on your ass about adjusting your form, engaging your core, getting your breath right.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:35 (one month ago) Permalink
Or other weird nonsense like how sleeping on your side causes scoliosis or how using women’s barbell is unacceptable for dudes. JK I do agree those classes are useful for form improvements (and occasional comedy stylings as well).
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 15:04 (one month ago) Permalink
For my part I improved my front squat from maybe like 135 to 195 to 235 and it was almost all form related.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 15:06 (one month ago) Permalink
Ha! I guess it depends on the instructor or demographic of the class. I know dudes don't often take them because it's "for women." But it's helpful if you can find the right class. I would never have felt comfortable doing different standing flys on my own otherwise.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 15:10 (one month ago) Permalink
hmmm i feel like bootcamp/circuit training/crossfit etc are actually pretty bad for form, too many reps too much speed
― sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 17:16 (one month ago) Permalink
too amped up
Like anything it depends on the class, instructor. I've never done crossfit. A lot of reps are fine if you have lighter weights.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 17:57 (one month ago) Permalink
on paper its fine, like communism
― sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 18:01 (one month ago) Permalink
Ha, I always just thought it was too expensive for that type of torture. Plus I see these crazy videos of how they row all wrong.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 18:04 (one month ago) Permalink
I feel like the classes I see at my gym are absolute garbage for form, just someone yelling at you to do as many reps as you can as fast as you can.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 18:15 (one month ago) Permalink
agree with lagoon basically. I mean even if they emphasize form, it's just natural that if you're getting all tired and winded you're going to start cutting corners.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 18:16 (one month ago) Permalink
yeah imo the circuit training etc approach of adding speed to the mix making it sort of a hybrid strength/cardio thing is sus
― sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 18:18 (one month ago) Permalink
on squats i do 4 count down, 4 count upsame for dumbbell presses
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 18:29 (one month ago) Permalink
I don't know anything about the speed component. Is that a staple of something outside of crossfit? That seems weird and where injuries happen.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 18:31 (one month ago) Permalink
xpost yeah, for squats I sometimes do a decreasing countdown. Start at 10 count up/down and then gradually get faster.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 18:35 (one month ago) Permalink
my form in nearly everything (handwriting, running, climbing stairs) has sucked, so lifting can be preemptively dismissed.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 18:37 (one month ago) Permalink
― Yerac, Tuesday, June 5, 2018 2:31 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah crossfit and just circuit training generally are kinda all about working up a lather until yr totally bonked
― sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 20:13 (one month ago) Permalink
they often go until failure but the problem is failure of form happens way before total failure
― sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 20:14 (one month ago) Permalink
Oh, i was thinking of when I do plyo or kickboxing classes with 5-8 lb handweights where I can. I keep it super controlled though since I have nightmares about accidentally throwing the weight into the mirror.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 21:06 (one month ago) Permalink
ugh i love the idea of perfect form, as it is i pride myself in doing slow, smooth reps even if it means a little less weight vs like doing lots of jerking and pulling and yanking and taking advantage of the weight's momentum
also i silently judge ppl who do a lot of jerking and yanking
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 21:12 (one month ago) Permalink
i just don't want to drop mad coin on a trainer!!!
I mean slowness past a certain point definitely makes the exercise more challenging and might reduce the amount of weight you can do. Tempo squats are harder than regular squats. So for powerlifting, where the goal is to maximize the amount of weight you can lift, using explosiveness/speed will usually give you better results. But even powerlifters tend to do some slower-speed training.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 21:17 (one month ago) Permalink
My brother in law came to visit for a week when we were living in an island location. He brought all his protein powders and his food scale because he weighs his chicken without fail. I got up in the morning and saw him out on the terrace lifting the chairs. He's super, super cut and dorito shaped though so I was like, YOU GO.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 21:21 (one month ago) Permalink
also, he was a very slight teenager with body image issues so it's impressive to how much he's changed. My spouse is like "why are you looking at half naked pics of my brother!" But it's the before and after pics on his fb and it's crazy how much sculpted, proportional muscle he's put on.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 21:27 (one month ago) Permalink
w/r/t form i find it easier to attain with ~more~ weight, rather than less. not, like, maximally loaded, but something where gravity helps enforce a good bar path
― gbx, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 22:58 (one month ago) Permalink
yeah its cool the lifts are natural
― sprout god (lag∞n), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 03:47 (one month ago) Permalink
hey guys and gals, idk who uses Optimum Gold Standard Whey but i just switched from double rich choc to mocha cappuccino and it's actually really great and prob better than the plain choc
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink
yeah? might have to try that next time
― goole, Friday, 6 July 2018 01:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink
I switched to vegetable protein powder. I find it makes me feel better and stink less.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 6 July 2018 01:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i know i'm "back" on the sw0le train when i'm tacking on lat pull downs after pull-ups.
― macropuente (map), Friday, 6 July 2018 02:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink
I did lay pull downs after pull ups today!
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 6 July 2018 04:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i laid down after pull-ups if that counts
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 July 2018 07:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Still working on tight hip flexors. Really annoyed with myself for not honing in on the problem better/sooner (and a little for physical therapy in late 2016 being so vague and unhelpful), since it really seems like that's been my major limiting factor for squats and, to a lesser degree, deadlift
― You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Friday, 6 July 2018 17:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink
man havent been in the gym in forever, weather too nice outside man
― sprout god (lag∞n), Friday, 6 July 2018 17:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Sometimes I feel like I will never fix my squat. I thought I finally had it down when I switched to low bar, but then a trainer (one who knows his lifting shit) realized my back was dangerously rounding and I wasn't tightening my core enough. Now I'm doing that but squatting higher again and I feel like my hips are as tight as ever.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 6 July 2018 17:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink
I've been doing a lot of iron crosses and reverse decline lunges and stuff like that, and I even got a standing desk. IDK if anything will do it, squats have always been unnatural for me. I see guys who are much weaker than me who can do them more easily, the movement is so natural for them.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 6 July 2018 17:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink
― sprout god (lag∞n), Friday, July 6, 2018 12:07 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― gbx, Friday, 6 July 2018 18:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Hi there, long time long time listener, first time caller.Since I am coming off my second stress fracture in two years, I decided to start a lifting routine so I wouldn’t allow myself to run 7 days a week. I’ve been doing 5/3/1 for a couple of months now, and I think I kind of like it? It fits with my slow/steady/methodical progress mindset. I just don’t care about lifting massive amounts of weight, I just want to slowly progress. Some random thoughts:-I can’t do deadlifts, so many of the 5/3/1 zealots would say I’m not really doing the program right, but my lower back is just not deadlift friendly. I’ve tried it off the rack and not from the floor, using the bar thing you step into, etc. Even just lifting the bar with no weights almost tweaks my back every time. So I’ve been doing a bunch of extra assistant work on deadlift day to try and work the same muscles. It seems to be working? I really like single leg Romanian deadlifts with dumbbells. Any other suggestions welcome.-I love squats, and really leg stuff in general. Any thing that I don’t have to lift with my runner noodle arms is good. However I’m still using the Smith Machine for squats. Which I know isn’t ideal, but I’m kind of chicken when I’m anything about 180 or so.-I’ve been doing barbell bench, which has been mostly fine except on the the AMRAP for the last sets. It’s only happened once, but I pinned myself, some random dude saw me and helped me out though. So I don’t think I’ve been pushing myself to my true AMRAP. Eventually I’ll find someone to spot me. Not a lot of people in my gym at 5:00 AM though. -Favorite assistant work, one leg dumbbell squats, leg press, inclined dumbbell bench, lat pull down -Least favorite assistant work, side planks, machine assisted dips/chins, cable triceps pull down (maybe the worst, I don’t think I have triceps, I currently do 30 lbs x 15 three times).That’s it. Progress is slow, but starting to be noticeable after 2 months. But ultimately I’ll be glad when I can quit and run all the time again. The end.
― Jeff, Friday, 6 July 2018 20:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink