ahe's kinda like tony stark, so i gather from ten mins research, but without the weapons and with clean energy and space
― but with socks instead of football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
it's kinda surprising he isn't more well known all things considered
― iatee, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
seriously. if wiki is even half-accurate shouldn't he be a fixture on Time mag or something?
― but with socks instead of football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
His family sound really annoying. Was married to, uh, somebody who was in that St Trinians film, uh, the one with Russell Brand.
― Named locally as Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
You realise that if he was ever to become involved in some sort of scandal and subsequent cover-up, newspapers could use the headline, "Elongate"
― Named locally as Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
if he was caught cheating he'd be THE MUSKRAT
― but with socks instead of football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
dude owes his company's survival to gov programs butsays it's no big deal if Romney wins and makes good on his promiseto obliterate them all.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
lots of companies do well out of govt contracts/programs, i'd imagine.
― but with socks instead of football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
so hyperloop huh
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Monday, 12 August 2013 22:40 (ten years ago) link
people on twitter so mad. trying to understand why. i guess it boils down to:
1) shouldn't we fix BART / buses / systems that working class people use before building toys for rich people
2) LA-to-SF only is ridiculous, there's like a whole state in there
3) nobody wants to hear half-baked plans from an arrogant rich dude
still, i mean, it's pretty cool, right?
― eris bueller (lukas), Monday, 12 August 2013 22:55 (ten years ago) link
There are lots of problems everywhere all the time. Can't let it stop technology from moving forward.
There's a whole country, even! LA-to-SF sounds like a perfectly fine beta test.
Not all rich dudes are arrogant. Elon Musk has never struck me as anything close to that.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 12 August 2013 23:13 (ten years ago) link
people on twitter so mad.
who do you follow?
― markers, Monday, 12 August 2013 23:17 (ten years ago) link
i'm not getting that impression from all the tech ppl i follow
unveiling this while CA is deep in the hole with it's bullet-train project (something I support wholeheartedly btw) is pretty arrogant
― joe schmoladoo from 7-11 (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 12 August 2013 23:18 (ten years ago) link
You might be right, Johnny, dunno. I was just trying to figure out why there was this explosion of contempt all over my twitter feed after the announcement.
― eris bueller (lukas), Monday, 12 August 2013 23:19 (ten years ago) link
markers, here are some of the people that were entertainingly scathing: kalebhorton, quartzcity, tcarmody, mikesonn
― eris bueller (lukas), Monday, 12 August 2013 23:24 (ten years ago) link
i do follow tim but i guess whatever he said didn't stick
― markers, Monday, 12 August 2013 23:27 (ten years ago) link
cool monorail bro
― lag∞n, Monday, 12 August 2013 23:54 (ten years ago) link
lol
― markers, Monday, 12 August 2013 23:55 (ten years ago) link
i have a plan for a train that goes from boston to atlanta in 10mins, its called lasertrain and ill give you some cool drawings of it in a couple weeks, its ridiculous no one is building it btw it only costs $10
― lag∞n, Monday, 12 August 2013 23:59 (ten years ago) link
im not gonna build it tho cause im kinda busy
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 00:00 (ten years ago) link
even i can afford that
― markers, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 00:00 (ten years ago) link
isn't his point that hyperloop would be fraction of the cost and twice as fast?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 00:02 (ten years ago) link
the douchey thing is that he made a big ol deal abt something thats not at all real
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 00:07 (ten years ago) link
Which is how 70% of architecture and urban planning works.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 00:10 (ten years ago) link
sure 70% that sounds totally realistic too
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 00:10 (ten years ago) link
I meant 94% sorry.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 00:12 (ten years ago) link
To me, it really sounds like a kickstarter project... but from a billionaire.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 00:17 (ten years ago) link
i mean who knows maybe its revolutionary technology but its so preliminary its p comical to call a press conference abt it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 00:18 (ten years ago) link
maybe this is the best way to convince someone else to give it a shot idk
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 00:25 (ten years ago) link
LOL "elon musk"
― the late great, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 03:00 (ten years ago) link
This should keep us occupied for a while: http://www.spacex.com/hyperloop
― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 03:09 (ten years ago) link
I wasn't scathing about Musk (I am about futurism in general) - if anything, he has a good track record on quixotic tech quests. I hope he's successful with this. I also hope there's a state left that can use it.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 04:37 (ten years ago) link
Knowing how CA politics works (and the CA rail projects are amazingly political), how would you expect a non-arrogant to even get traction with this?
I have no doubt that Musk will solve the Hyperloop technical issues. I very much have doubts about him navigating Sacramento.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 04:40 (ten years ago) link
I was describing this to my wife today and kept calling it Supertube.
― "Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 05:14 (ten years ago) link
Bad connotations...
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/supertrain-1_7696.jpg
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 05:21 (ten years ago) link
lol @ the "open source" pdf proposal. build a section of the thing and then get back to us when you have it working.
― wk, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 06:23 (ten years ago) link
Musk says the Hyperloop is best for distances of 900 miles. Beyond 900 miles, he thinks you're better off in a supersonic jet.
Lol
― joe sixpac hologram (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 11:33 (ten years ago) link
I never use my supersonic jet anymore as parking is always a total bitch
― joe sixpac hologram (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 11:35 (ten years ago) link
I have to say I rather like Elon Musk. He's made a massive pile of money and rather than sitting on it or managing it in mundane ways; he's making risky bets on thinks he's passionate about: Cars, Rockets, vacuum tubes.
Hyperloop seems a bit ridiculous to me, vacuum tube powered trains and trains in evacuated tubes are an old chestnut, almost as old as railways themselves. However, he's built a commercially viable private space programme and a car company* in the last ten years so anything is possible.
*Tesla isn't really a car company it's a power train company and if it is still making cars in 5 years I'll be surprised.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:18 (ten years ago) link
ya i'm kinda ll for crackpot genius billionaires actually doing interesting stuff, up until they become str8 up supervillains obv
― darraghmac, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link
lol @ the "open source" pdf proposal. build a section of the thing and then get back to us when you have it working.― wk, Tuesday, August 13, 2013 2:23 AM
― wk, Tuesday, August 13, 2013 2:23 AM
he might do this
― markers, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link
is this dude one of the crazy silicon valley libertarian types or is he just beloved by them?
― carlos danger zone (mh), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:27 (ten years ago) link
iirc he has liberal tendencies mixed in w the libertarianism
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:28 (ten years ago) link
xp I heard him speak and he seemed not crazy and to have some kind of social or at least environmental conscience, unlike the usual libertarian types, but maybe he's just better at hiding it
(I like him too fwiw and right now he seems one of the most likely "crackpot genius billionaires" to solve some hard problems which are overdue for solving, so I hope he carries on with that. Also hoping that one day I'll get to see/read his computer game that appeared in some 8-bit micro type-in listings mag in the 80s)
― the supreme personality of Godhead : a summary study (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:35 (ten years ago) link
he's not as bad as some of the other silicon valley libtards, I'll give him that.
nonetheless, this is a stupid proposal
― joe schmoladoo from 7-11 (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:35 (ten years ago) link
do tell
curious to read a critique that amounts to more than 'hyperlol'
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link
I think it's dumb that he's throwing around numbers when he doesn't even have a working prototype. It just seems like he's hoping to derail the other project. I also think the "open source" thing is pretty silly since it's not like code where an individual can make some kind of improvement and test it out to see if it works. I guess an open source design is an interesting idea after the fact if he actually gets it working and other people want to build his design, but it still seems basically irrelevant.
― wk, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
Didn't he make his fortune with Peter thiel?I don't know if that is "guilt by association" or "looking better by comparison"
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
It just seems like he's hoping to derail the other project
^^^
― joe schmoladoo from 7-11 (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link
maybe this too lol
e.w. niedermeyer @niedermeyer.ioBig takeaway from the Tesla earnings call is that Elon doesn't want to do anything to shore up sales, because he'd rather try to use the idle GPUs in parked Teslas as a distributed AI supercomputer... which doesn't make sense, but even if it did, it would still be stealing from your customers.
https://bsky.app/profile/niedermeyer.io/post/3kqtjuvuggc2q
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:58 (one week ago) link
hes still got it baby
juicing the stock 10% with an extremely vague "announcement" re: an affordable car shipping in a few months. got to hand it to him,
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:00 (one week ago) link
he is honestly amazing at this stuff tesla would absolutely be out of business now were it not for his grifting
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:02 (one week ago) link
why did the stock go up when their numbers are bad?
― frogbs, Wednesday, April 24, 2024 11:49 AM (sixteen minutes ago)
part of the decline pre-earnings was due to rumors that tesla was trashing its low-cast EV project, but then elon reversed course during the actual announcement
i also think some of the gain is probably due to short-covering (which creates buying pressure)
― 龜, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:07 (one week ago) link
does this short-covering mean that those traders lost out -- because they were gambling on the price falling further than it did -- or that they've made the profit they wanted so they don't care
or does it all depend?
― mark s, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:23 (one week ago) link
fun fact they probably juiced yesterdays results with some accounting tricks related to one off FSD income. that will become clear tomorrow when they file a 10-Q. expect a drop tomorrow imo.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:00 (one week ago) link
Mr guess Musk saw that episode of Silicon Valley where they used the cpus in the refrigerators and just figured he could do that with his cars.
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:45 (one week ago) link
― mark s, Wednesday, April 24, 2024 12:23 PM (one hour ago)
based on what the stock price has done in the past couple of months i think it's a decent chance the short sellers made some money
― 龜, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:59 (one week ago) link
is tsla a meme stock yet
― adam t. (abanana), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 19:12 (one week ago) link
has been all along
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 19:15 (one week ago) link
Tesla has benefited enormously from Chinese EV subsidies. Its numbers will be a lot worse if those go away.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 19:48 (one week ago) link
This is a social media post by Dustin Moskowitz, founder of Asana and Facebook billionaire:
I know I sound crazy to most people who don't follow $TSLA closely but at this point it really needs to be said. This is Enron now, folks.It may keep going, but people are going to jail at the end. The data is presented in fraudulent ways, and it doesn't say what they claim it says even when they make it up.Tesla has committed consumer fraud on a massive scale, from lying about FSD, ranges and (recently, unconfirmed!) even inflating odometers. Many times now, also securities fraud.
It may keep going, but people are going to jail at the end. The data is presented in fraudulent ways, and it doesn't say what they claim it says even when they make it up.
Tesla has committed consumer fraud on a massive scale, from lying about FSD, ranges and (recently, unconfirmed!) even inflating odometers.
Many times now, also securities fraud.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:06 (six days ago) link
ive been saying that for years and im still not a billionaire
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:14 (six days ago) link
Was your dad a billionaire? If not that could be a problem
― Big Bong Theory (stevie), Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:23 (six days ago) link
shit i dont think he is but ill ask
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:23 (six days ago) link
If you've actually met him, he's probably not one
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:59 (six days ago) link
The Man Who Met His Dad
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 25 April 2024 15:00 (six days ago) link
yeah I've been reading a lot of well-sourced substacks and blogposts arguing as much. like sure Elon is admittedly pretty skilled at pumping the stock price up but there's way more internal fraud going on than that, Tesla's internals have just never added up, the question is how long they can keep it going. I mean I thought this was all gonna come crumbling down years ago.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2024 15:05 (six days ago) link
If Musk wasn't so tied into the Military Industrial Complex it would probably have come tumbling down a lot faster.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 April 2024 15:09 (six days ago) link
feel like you have to run out of money before a massive corporate fraud collapses, until then you might get some fines or whatever, i guess there could be some smoking gun document that says i elon am doing massive corporate fraud but outside that i think it keeps rolling until it cant anymore, like repeatedly promising full self driving and whatnot is so blatantly fraudulent and no one cares hes doing right in public
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 April 2024 15:15 (six days ago) link
bare minimum their branding of "full self-driving" and "autopilot" should be a FTC case for deceptive marketing
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 25 April 2024 15:34 (six days ago) link
President Keyes otm, as much as I'm loath to give him credit for anything at all, making sure his space company got into bed with the US military was the smartest thing he ever did, allowing him to get away with a lot of shit.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 April 2024 15:40 (six days ago) link
Musk vs United Launch Alliance (a.k.a. Boeing & Lockheed Martin) had been an ongoing fight for almost a decade and it was something SpaceX absolutely could not lose. I'll never credit Musk for anything, but I still believe that in the long run - his fights with ULA and the National Automobile Dealers Association are probably more significant than any of his companies.I for sure thought the Tesla Solar Roof class-action was going to be the start of the domino fall.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 26 April 2024 08:00 (five days ago) link
I was kinda thinking the only thing Tesla really made money on was the carbon offset trading and the bitcoin shenanigans. Those two things I know were pointed out in a couple of their good reports in why the books were doing good in the salad days.
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Friday, 26 April 2024 12:03 (five days ago) link
does musk believe in anthropogenic climate change? today he posted a 2000s facebook meme about greta thunberg wanting communism today.
― adam t. (abanana), Friday, 26 April 2024 19:15 (five days ago) link
today i'm gonna rock you today
― adam t. (abanana), Friday, 26 April 2024 19:16 (five days ago) link
Robotaxis will be the equivalent of 40% of US GDP any day now
Robotaxis will generate 8-10 Trillion in revenues in 2030, half of which will go to platforms like Tesla $TSLA says Cathie Wood pic.twitter.com/50XajhXVdb— Barchart (@Barchart) April 28, 2024
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 29 April 2024 05:29 (two days ago) link
oh god, it’s the ARK investments ceothey’re a weird attempt at a “science is the future” ETF that seems more like a cargo culthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_Invest
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 29 April 2024 13:16 (two days ago) link
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathie_Wood
For the 10 years ending in December 31, 2023, Morningstar ranked ARK Invest Funds as the worst "wealth destroyer" family of funds, based on the "decline in assets in dollar terms, after excluding inflows or outflows."
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 29 April 2024 21:32 (two days ago) link
one of those people where you can do the opposite of what they promote pretty regularly and prosper. maybe ignore financial news that takes them seriously
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 29 April 2024 21:55 (two days ago) link
Ted Talks are the new pump-n-dump stock scams
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 29 April 2024 22:13 (two days ago) link
there is an inverse cathie wood etf.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 13:18 (yesterday) link
Tesla conducting more layoffs, including entire Supercharger team
Just after laying off “more than 10%” of its global workforce, Tesla is laying off even more employees – including senior executives and long-time veterans of the company, most notably the entire Supercharging team and the executive responsible for negotiating NACS adoption across the industry....Now, more layoffs have been finalized through an email from CEO Elon Musk to executives, first reported by The Information, stating that 6-year veteran Rebecca Tinucci, Tesla’s Senior Director of EV charging, would be leaving the company on Tuesday, along with nearly all of her 500-person charging team (“a few” employees will be reassigned to other teams, according to The Information).Tinucci was responsible for Tesla’s EV charging business, including Supercharging, which means that the cutting of the Supercharger team may reflect a change in direction for Tesla. Tesla has been very successful at getting manufacturers to adopt its NACS plug – an effort led by Tinucci, which got her onto the TIME 100 Climate list – leading many to suggest that it will be able to run a profitable energy delivery business for a long time to come (here’s her presentation from Investor Day 2023).The email states that Tesla will continue to build out some new Superchargers, and will finish those under construction. But relieving the team of its duty may signal a reduction in buildout of the system – at a time when, if anything, faster charging station deployment is needed.Another executive layoff is 10-year veteran Daniel Ho, Director of Vehicle Programs and New Product Initiatives, who was program manager for the Model S, 3 and Y and had previously served 12 years at Ford in product roles.In recent quarters, Tesla has guided for a “pause” inbetween growth phases, expecting that sales growth would be more modest until the release of next-gen vehicles like the cheaper “Model 2” and robotaxi products. There has been some back–and–forth over what form those products would take – but laying off the head of New Product Initiatives reflects potential problems within that team as well.Further, most of former executive Rohan Patel’s public policy team will be eliminated – at a time when many public policy challenges around DC charging, home charging, emissions standards, climate change, and political hostility to superior EV technology are still looming.
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Now, more layoffs have been finalized through an email from CEO Elon Musk to executives, first reported by The Information, stating that 6-year veteran Rebecca Tinucci, Tesla’s Senior Director of EV charging, would be leaving the company on Tuesday, along with nearly all of her 500-person charging team (“a few” employees will be reassigned to other teams, according to The Information).
Tinucci was responsible for Tesla’s EV charging business, including Supercharging, which means that the cutting of the Supercharger team may reflect a change in direction for Tesla. Tesla has been very successful at getting manufacturers to adopt its NACS plug – an effort led by Tinucci, which got her onto the TIME 100 Climate list – leading many to suggest that it will be able to run a profitable energy delivery business for a long time to come (here’s her presentation from Investor Day 2023).
The email states that Tesla will continue to build out some new Superchargers, and will finish those under construction. But relieving the team of its duty may signal a reduction in buildout of the system – at a time when, if anything, faster charging station deployment is needed.
Another executive layoff is 10-year veteran Daniel Ho, Director of Vehicle Programs and New Product Initiatives, who was program manager for the Model S, 3 and Y and had previously served 12 years at Ford in product roles.
In recent quarters, Tesla has guided for a “pause” inbetween growth phases, expecting that sales growth would be more modest until the release of next-gen vehicles like the cheaper “Model 2” and robotaxi products. There has been some back–and–forth over what form those products would take – but laying off the head of New Product Initiatives reflects potential problems within that team as well.
Further, most of former executive Rohan Patel’s public policy team will be eliminated – at a time when many public policy challenges around DC charging, home charging, emissions standards, climate change, and political hostility to superior EV technology are still looming.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 14:23 (yesterday) link
arent superchargers supposed to be a big deal for them
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 15:07 (yesterday) link
yeah as a low info ev person i had sorta thought the supercharger and charge network generally was gonna be a bigger profit center than EVs for them, because they seem quite not good at what it takes to make an actually good EV. or any vehicle.
― schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 15:14 (yesterday) link
they went to Supercharger Heaven
― ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 15:14 (yesterday) link
rip
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 15:18 (yesterday) link
firing that supercharger team right after lots of manufacturers have committed to using that network is weird as fuck; he's also unfollowed a bunch of his biggest simps on Twitter, which is leading some to think the Tesla board is maybe about to oust him
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 16:18 (yesterday) link
scam #7 to heaven
― polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 16:18 (yesterday) link
seems like the supercharger team getting canned is a combo of "well, that's project finished and it's a success so bye!" which is terrible and Elon deciding someone looking more successful than him seeing an effort led by Tinucci, which got her onto the TIME 100 Climate list and not liking that someone else got head pats
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:11 (yesterday) link
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:m7w6mfn35d53chutrzjzgkng/bafkreifsbnfgt56caluisp4rg4irn24kuqwgbdn4d3yw4zmdug4hopuln4@jpeg
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 22:04 (yesterday) link
I suppose that after trolling fans with the cybertruck the next logical step is to troll the entire EV industry and TSLAstans at once by canning the only part of Tesla that works and makes money
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 23:16 (yesterday) link
Thought the Tesla subreddit would have been making excuses but it seems like even they don’t trust him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/1ch34s5/tesla_still_plans_to_grow_the_supercharger/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 23:38 (yesterday) link
is tsla a meme stock yet― adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 25 April 2024 5:12 AM (six days ago)has been all along― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 April 2024 5:15 AM (six days ago)
― adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 25 April 2024 5:12 AM (six days ago)
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 April 2024 5:15 AM (six days ago)
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 03:04 (nine hours ago) link
My place is surrounded on two sides by houses with Tesla solar roofs. They're so screwed when they get trashed in the next windstorm
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 1 May 2024 04:15 (seven hours ago) link