The Energy Thread
probably best one
― sleeve, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
sometimes I wonder if the electricity used to power electric cars is dirty anyway what is the clean ness there
― Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
https://www.quora.com/What-is-more-efficient-a-power-plant-providing-electricity-for-electric-cars-or-gasoline-powered-cars
― DJI, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link
a have a friend that listened to the whole interview and is now bemoaning that the "so-called news" is only talking about him smoking a blunt and not all his musings on robotics and AI and giant tunnels and all the other things he is constantly and publicly talking about
― frogbs, Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:08 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The first 100+ comments on the YouTube video itself are basically this. He's not a total idiot, but fuck he's got so many red flags and a clear propensity for childish distractions. What he said about AI and robotics was nothing new.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link
I don't understand how people accept that the technology necessary to simulate their human experience many times over is a given or that it would only not happen if the world abruptly ended in the near future.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:17 (five years ago) link
step 1 of his simulation theory fun -- imagine any rate of improvement in computing power, gaming, etc., already seems so naive. why would you assume this shit won't roll off? but maybe I'm missing something.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:23 (five years ago) link
and he describes the neuralink stuff as solving a bandwidth issue at the link between your mind's queries and the internet. but it seems like the speed at which my dumb brain can generate these queries will remain as a serious bottleneck? neuralink will disrupt mavis beacon typing instruction software!
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:25 (five years ago) link
he's not exactly a modern day tesla more like the Bill Gates of electric cars
― Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:12 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
bill gates was a business genius, musk seems like more of a startup guy + good at media
― sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link
gates obvs more technical than musk too
'gates' also a more technical term than 'musk'
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:28 (five years ago) link
otm
― sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:32 (five years ago) link
BREAKING: Tesla's VP of Worldwide Finance, Justin McAnear, is leaving the company https://t.co/TGNPdho6Ha pic.twitter.com/jXw7oyHUYb— TicToc by Bloomberg (@tictoc) September 12, 2018
Tesla's biggest institutional investor says Elon Musk needs psychological helphttps://t.co/lMV9gmgjhL— Adam Pasick (@Adampasick) September 12, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/cosmostheinlost/files/2016/02/14758364689_bec87da428_k-1.jpg
― every day there's a whining choad (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 20:34 (five years ago) link
things are going great!!!!
― sprout god (lag∞n), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 22:37 (five years ago) link
I would have Musk pegged as a Timbuk 3 fan, their hit does seem to represent his outlook on the world
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 22:44 (five years ago) link
https://i.redd.it/hjo6ykhn0tl11.jpg
does this mean what I think it does
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 September 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
Wait, so Teslas are usually being ... throttled?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 September 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
ha, exactly
― sleeve, Thursday, 13 September 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link
its like that thing they do with video games now where all the content is on the disc but you have to pay an extra $15 to unlock some of it
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 September 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
'throttling' applies to changing or limiting a rate and not to changing or limiting capacity
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
tesla: the ea of car manufacturers
― 🧛🏻♂️ F A T 🧛🏻♂️ D R A C U L A 🧛🏻♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 13 September 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
I don't know. there could be warrantied maintenance implications tied to the amount you're allowed to discharge the battery.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link
xp fitting tbh. he said in the Rogan interview that they've just installed an Atari emulator in the latest Tesla. god this guy is so LAME
― flappy bird, Thursday, 13 September 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
xp that's a good point, they could just be suspending the warranty for charge/discharge greater than the maximum in the specs
― sleeve, Thursday, 13 September 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
"warranty penalty", sorry
another thing: 'throttling' was really only an issue in that it would favor large internet businesses over the smaller guys with less money. There's always been throttling of internet speeds for the customer based on what that customer would pay.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
GET OFF THE GANJA ELON!!YOU WRECKIN YOR MIND
― Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Thursday, 13 September 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link
just gonna FP your garbage posts from now on, knock it off
― sleeve, Thursday, 13 September 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
what is FP
― Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Thursday, 13 September 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link
and I also don't see a problem with charging someone to unlock content that's already on the disc. The game company had to invest some resources to make the non-essential content, and they need to figure out a way to make money on that investment. Otherwise there'd just be less content. You can argue that greed makes them lock more content than they should, but the very idea of not having access to all of the content on a blu-ray you purchased isn't so outrageous. Obviously, it'd be outrageous if you had to buy the additional content to make your original base purchase worthwhile at all. But usually the consumer outrage is based on just wanting everything.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 19:12 (five years ago) link
Oh "flag post" - jeez osrry dude! didn't realize you were taking offinese here :(
― Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Thursday, 13 September 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link
'throttling' applies to changing or limiting a rate and not to changing or limiting capacity― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:41 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:41 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes but "free supercharging" -- does this also mean they throttle the speed of electricity transfer? what is this insane world
― vote no on ilxit (Will M.), Thursday, 13 September 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
supercharging is just what happens when you charge at one of those tesla-specific charging stations instead of via a normal outlet. It is faster, but it's faster because the charging hardware is different.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:11 (five years ago) link
so I think they're just saying you get free electricity at their charging stations, which are always faster charging than an outlet
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
so it's like that other kind of dlc where you pay $5 for the cheat codes
― vote no on ilxit (Will M.), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:14 (five years ago) link
no, it's not. it's a real hardware difference.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
but you pay for it, right? and it lets you access a better power-up than you would have if you did not pay?
― vote no on ilxit (Will M.), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link
it's not a power up. the car needs electrical energy to run. you need to pull that energy out of the grid somehow. and there are real limitations to what you can conceivably do at most homes. Tesla has "supercharging" stations in public places where you can pay to charge with the larger, more expensive hardware that is required without needing to buy, permit, and install your own.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link
What about the additional battery capacity component?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
I don't know. there could be warrantied maintenance implications tied to the amount you're allowed to discharge the battery.― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:44 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkxp that's a good point, they could just be suspending the warranty for charge/discharge greater than the maximum in the specs― sleeve, Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:50 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"warranty penalty", sorry― sleeve, Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:50 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:44 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― sleeve, Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:50 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't know for sure, but it isn't a given that it's based entirely in arbitrary greed.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
they might have qual and/or failure analysis data that suggests allowing X deeper discharge will cost them Y in warranty repairs. So they could just be covering the calculated cost of this. ant this is also probably about marketing on some level. some other big player could have similar batteries, but claim better engineering based on that one spec (while taking the higher failure rate hit). By having a higher the option at a higher cost, they can win or compete in spec battles while also discouraging widespread adoption of something that will cause more failures and ultimately be a bit more wasteful.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
What about the additional battery capacity component?― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 September 2018 6:27 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 September 2018 6:27 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Could mean one or other if these
Tesla’s come in a variety of different battery capacity options, think fuel tank sizes. The actual battery’s (cells) aren’t that expensive so somewhere along the way they just started shipping out cars with the full pack, because standardised manufacturing it cheaper, but the customer only gets what they pay for. Tesla can Flick a switch and can upgrade your car.
Alternatively they are extending the depth of discharge. Typically if you want a long lived lithium ion battery you want to use the middle of the charging range, typically not using he top 5% and bottom 10-20%. It’s not that bad to go out of that range a few times so an easy win for tesla to enable this. A few cars will end up not being able to start next day and it may cost a battery pack if a car sits and the bottom of the state of charge range.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:55 (five years ago) link
it's not a power up. the car needs electrical energy to run. you need to pull that energy out of the grid somehow. and there are real limitations to what you can conceivably do at most homes. Tesla has "supercharging" stations in public places where you can pay to charge with the larger, more expensive hardware that is required without needing to buy, permit, and install your own.― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, September 13, 2018 4:26 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, September 13, 2018 4:26 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I... I'm comparing it to video game cheat codes. I know how real life works.
― vote no on ilxit (Will M.), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
you compared two things, I think, to justify reaching a similar conclusion about the two things. I was pointing how the comparison wasn't good, and you shouldn't reach the same conclusion.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 21:04 (five years ago) link
i.e. supercharging, unlike a benefit from a game code, is not built into the already owned hardware. it requires additional hardware.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 21:06 (five years ago) link
goddamn my guy the only conclusion i was trying to reach was a good goof based on a good goof upthread
plus if it were a video game the superchargers would be built into the game's code obviously and access would only be available via dlc unlock but that's beside the point
the point is, tesla is for cardorks with money and i have neither means nor a drivers license so i will take every opportunity to clown this company named after a famous misogynist mustache boy genius
― vote no on ilxit (Will M.), Thursday, 13 September 2018 21:22 (five years ago) link
The difference in different Tesla levels is the software that unlocks performance - they don't have different motors or anything. If you buy the 70 you get X performance vs the 85 or the whatever number comes next. It's like all Dodges coming with the Hellcat motor and they just restrict it to 4 cylinders all the time if you buy the base level.
Owners know that going in, though, TBF.
― louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 13 September 2018 21:22 (five years ago) link
Even the battery performance is DLC:https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-cuts-price-model-s-60-75-kwh-battery-upgrade-2000/
― louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 13 September 2018 21:23 (five years ago) link
feels like we're talking about two separate things here
the supercharging thing, I think the idea is that you have to pay some amount of $$$ to supercharge the car at one of those little Tesla charging stations. turning that from a paid to a free service is no big deal since I assume Tesla fronts the cost of that power
the battery thing is something else, what I'm gathering here is that all the models have the 75 kWH battery, but if you didn't get the "upgrade" package then only 60 kWH of this is "unlocked", and the rest can be activated at a whim from Tesla HQ
like Ed said there may be some reasoning behind this. correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a car with a "13 gallon tank" actually more like 13.5 for this very reason? that said it still feels ultra shady and I'm not exactly giving these guys the benefit of the doubt right now
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 September 2018 21:24 (five years ago) link
Next step: a micro-transaction every time you use your blinkers (the bougie pigs who drive Teslas won't have to worry about this)
― louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 13 September 2018 21:24 (five years ago) link